TD - Please add mid-air structural repairs

[Letum]

Dear TD,

I think that in the 4.10 patch, you should add the ability to call in wing
walking mechanics to repair lost or broken part of your plane whilst you are
in flight. I have strong evidence that this was done in reality.

If you lost a wheel, elevator, gunsight or wing, but you where still able to
fly, you should be able to use the radio to call in a mechanic who would take
off from the closest friendly base, jump on to your plane and replace the
missing component.

If you are in a multi-engined aircraft, it might take several mechanics to carry
the missing part.

As a penalty, you would have to carry the mechanic for the rest of the
mission. This would give you a disadvantage in combat due to the extra
drag on one wing.

Below is a short video that proves that this missing feature would
make a realistic addition.

Thank you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oAzdbd0J2A

[TeeJay82]

Or...what about an airship... like the crimson skies game? :P

do a mid air carrier landing, get fixed, and get dropped back in

[TeeJay82]

or or...

Ground crew Firez repair laz0rz from the ground.. or flakguns with programmed swat termites armed with grappling hooks to barf up wood and iron to fix the plane

[W32Blaster]

or or...

Ground crew Firez repair laz0rz from the ground.. or flakguns with programmed swat termites armed with grappling hooks to barf up wood and iron to fix the plane

Don´t forget: nothing is going to be made with no historical evidence!

The Wingwalker Repair feature is proven to be histrorically correct. All this other nonsense isn´t!
:cool:

[TeeJay82]

w00t... you cant prove me wrong b*tch, do you think i just made all that up?:P

i waz thare!! i saw it all

[rakinroll]

Hehe, good reapiring.

[Letum]

Don´t forget: nothing is going to be made with no historical evidence!

The Wingwalker Repair feature is proven to be histrorically correct. All this other nonsense isn´t!
:cool:


Thankyou for your support W32Blaster.

I have lots of good ideas about how to improve IL2 with realism, but I only post the best ones because I don't want to make TD too busy in case their hands hurt from programming the digit files in IL2.

I thought it might make lees work for TD if I did the concept art for them.
It's not very good because I don't have a tablet for drawing, but it will look better when it's in game.

The labels would not be there when it is in-game.


(NOT AN IN-GAME IMAGE OR MOD)
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3998/concept2k.jpg

UPDATE:
I put a water fountain there also because that's one of my other ideas for IL2.
Water fountains are realistic.

[addman]

ROFLMAO!! Good one Letum :grin:

[T}{OR]

Priceless... :D

[Daniël]

Mad people after WWI in that video...

[moilami]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oAzdbd0J2A

:shock:

That is so very crazy I can hardly believe my eyes.

[C_G]

ROFLMAO~ Hilarious Letum :D
Thanks for the laugh!
.
.
.
but seriously, why aren't there any water fountains?

[Letum]

but seriously, why aren't there any water fountains?

I know!

I bought IL2 when it was first released. One of the first things I noticed
about the game was the lack of water fountains.

There was no cool, refreshing and beautiful spouts of clear, fresh water.
No where could I hear the soothing sound of splashing and dripping.

At first, I assumed that this was an oversight by the developers and it would
be fixed in a patch, but here we are, almost at v4.10 and there are still no
fountains. I don't understand.

I had almost forgotten until last week, but then I had a dream about flying
over a water fountain in a La7 and woke up crying. I hope it gets fixed.

[moilami]

I had almost forgotten until last week, but then I had a dream about flying over a water fountain in a La7and woke up crying. I hope it gets fixed.

Rofl :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't want to read that kind of things or else I may have problems to get into killer mood in today's mission :lol:

[KnightFandragon]

Thankyou for your support W32Blaster.

I have lots of good ideas about how to improve IL2 with realism, but I only post the best ones because I don't want to make TD too busy in case their hands hurt from programming the digit files in IL2.

I thought it might make lees work for TD if I did the concept art for them.
It's not very good because I don't have a tablet for drawing, but it will look better when it's in game.

The labels would not be there when it is in-game.


(NOT AN IN-GAME IMAGE OR MOD)
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3998/concept2k.jpg

UPDATE:
I put a water fountain there also because that's one of my other ideas for IL2.
Water fountains are realistic.

Thats to funny =D

[T}{OR]

I know!

I bought IL2 when it was first released. One of the first things I noticed
about the game was the lack of water fountains.

There was no cool, refreshing and beautiful spouts of clear, fresh water.
No where could I hear the soothing sound of splashing and dripping.

At first, I assumed that this was an oversight by the developers and it would
be fixed in a patch, but here we are, almost at v4.10 and there are still no
fountains. I don't understand.

I had almost forgotten until last week, but then I had a dream about flying
over a water fountain in a La7 and woke up crying. I hope it gets fixed.

You need to tell me what are you using - I want it. :D

[Novotny]

I understand that Letum has put forward a strong case for his water fountains however I shall be outraged if TD commence work on this admittedly important feature prior to implementing bacon & eggs.

Currently, we can set fuel, ammunition and pilot skill but no-where can we specify whether or not the pilot has had a good breakfast or not. This is an oversight of flabbergasting proportion.

Breakfasting to the utmost was the greatest secret of the RAF during the Battle of Britain. Though the modeling of this most important meal of the day has admittedly set back the release of BoB by some three years, Oleg recently confirmed that eggy tesselation, though not seen in the recent alpha, has been perfected - there are even wild rumours of black pudding.

That red light in the 109's cockpit did not indicate low air fuel as most have thought up until now: it came on when the staffel's cooks had finally knocked up breakfast and the errant nazi's were recalled for their piddly continental - a poor shadow of the full English, with its insipid orange juice and croissanty nonsense (we have much to thank the French resistance for).

It has long been acknowleged that the Nazi war machine, for all it's tactical nous and tremendous engineering capacity, neglected to fry animal products in a manner befitting its warriors of the air. They'd never even researched brown sauce.

I hope this appalling inaccuracy is finally corrected.

[robtek]

FINALLY A THREAD FOR THE REALLY IMPORTANT PARTS OF FLIGHT SIMS IN GENERAL!

ooops, caps lock :-D

No really, there a so many small but important facts simply overlooked in flight sims.
It makes me really happy to see them get addressed now!

But as usual it is fixed to the already overmuch present pilots :-(
What about the breakfast for the really important people?
The "schwarzen Männer", the aircraft mechanics?
Without them all those glamorous flyboys couldn't stand in the limelight!
Also do not underevaluate dinner and supper!
One part of the downfall of the third reich was the use of reconstituted eggs, "Ersatzkaffee" and "Kunsthonig"!
Especially for the non-flyboys.

[LoBiSoMeM]

I understand that Letum has put forward a strong case for his water fountains however I shall be outraged if TD commence work on this admittedly important feature prior to implementing bacon & eggs.

Currently, we can set fuel, ammunition and pilot skill but no-where can we specify whether or not the pilot has had a good breakfast or not. This is an oversight of flabbergasting proportion.

Breakfasting to the utmost was the greatest secret of the RAF during the Battle of Britain. Though the modeling of this most important meal of the day has admittedly set back the release of BoB by some three years, Oleg recently confirmed that eggy tesselation, though not seen in the recent alpha, has been perfected - there are even wild rumours of black pudding.

That red light in the 109's cockpit did not indicate low air fuel as most have thought up until now: it came on when the staffel's cooks had finally knocked up breakfast and the errant nazi's were recalled for their piddly continental - a poor shadow of the full English, with its insipid orange juice and croissanty nonsense (we have much to thank the French resistance for).

It has long been acknowleged that the Nazi war machine, for all it's tactical nous and tremendous engineering capacity, neglected to fry animal products in a manner befitting its warriors of the air. They'd never even researched brown sauce.

I hope this appalling inaccuracy is finally corrected.

Don't try this, just give space and act as support to the creator of the most fun topic ever.

It's priceless! Need to be sticky! And THIS topic need severe moderation! My post and any other without "serious" feedback about what must or not be included in IL-2 need to be deleted ASAP!

Let's keep this topic pure!

[IceFire]

Comedy gold folks! Keep it up! Need some lightheartedness right now... tis the season!

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Can you deliver any trustable sources for.... fountains?

I mean, not those post war reports. Even still existing fountains are mostly made by new spare parts. Is there any original left? We need such sources to do it correctly or none at all. You know... :rolleyes:

[swiss]

Or...what about an airship... like the crimson skies game? :P

do a mid air carrier landing, get fixed, and get dropped back in

That's not sooo far off.

The USA indeed had airship aircraft carriers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Akron_%28ZRS-4%29


Learned that e few days ago and almost couldn't believe it.

[swiss]

That red light in the 109's cockpit did not indicate low air fuel as most have thought up until now: it came on when the staffel's cooks had finally knocked up breakfast and the errant nazi's were recalled for their piddly continental - a poor shadow of the full English, with its insipid orange juice and croissanty nonsense (we have much to thank the French resistance for).

That red light was Adolf Galland, smoking a cigar. ;)


The post of letum reminds me of whatnot's "spaghetti is not realistic without tomato" post. LOL

[WTE_Galway]

The problem with water fountains is keeping the U Boats out.

[IceFire]

The problem with water fountains is keeping the U Boats out.

Yes it's true. A very big problem. First the U Boats get in the fountains and then they clog them up. Having the correct U Boat to water ratio is very important. We must research this!

[KnightFandragon]

That's not sooo far off.

The USA indeed had airship aircraft carriers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Akron_%28ZRS-4%29


Learned that e few days ago and almost couldn't believe it.

Nice lolz, I wouldnt have believed either the inflight repairs or the air-craft carrier hadi not seen it....it was a World War 2 Mechwarrior dropship +D

[Avimimus]

Now everybody sing:


This is the tale of the Gremlins
Told by the P.R.U.
The incredible tale of the Gremlins
But believe me, you slobs, it's true.

When you're seven miles up in the heavens,
(That's a hell of a lonely spot)
And it's fifty degrees below zero
Which isn't exactly hot.

When you're frozen blue like your Spitfire
And you're scared a Mosquito pink,
When you're thousands of miles from nowhere
And there's nothing below but the drink

It's then you will see the Gremlins,
Green and gamboge and gold,
Male and female and neuter
Gremlins both young and old.

It's no good trying to dodge them,
The lessons you learned on the Link
Won't help you evade a Gremlin,
Though you boost and you dive and you fink.

White ones will wiggle your wingtips,
Male ones will muddle your maps,
Green ones will guzzle your Glycol,
Females will flutter your flaps.

Pink ones will perch on your perspex,
And dance pirouettes on your prop;
There's a spherical, middle-aged Gremlin
who'll spin on your stick like a top.

They'll freeze up your camera shutters,
They'll bite through your aileron wires,
They'll bend and they'll break and they'll batter,
They'll insert toasting forks in your tyres.

That is the tale of the Gremlins,
Told by the P.R.U.,
(P)retty (R)uddy (U)nlikely to many
But fact, none the less, to the few."

[Letum]

Can you deliver any trustable sources for.... fountains?

I mean, not those post war reports. Even still existing fountains are mostly made by new spare parts. Is there any original left? We need such sources to do it correctly or none at all. You know... :rolleyes:

Hello Casper and thank you for your interest.

First I must make clear that water fountains are a secondary idea of mine.
You should not tackle them until you have the mid-air repairs finished.
That said....


Water fountains where undoubtedly a feature of the Second War. There are
three reasons I can say this so assuredly:

1) The invention of water fountains predates the Second War by over 1000
years and the erection of fountains was wide spread across Europe for a
period of several hundred years leading up to the Second War.

2) At archeological dig sites, fountains have been buried next to confirmed
war items such as war guns, war planes, war documents and war veterans.

3) "The Chronicle of the 20th CenturyKey Events in Nuneaton and district
in the last one hundred years compiled by Peter Lee 1940-49"

Chronicle Four (LINK (http://www.nuneaton-online.org.uk/nuneaton/chronical4.htm)) of this historical document contains a rare, first hand
account of the role fountains played in the Second War. The Entry for 1940
reads thus:
1940

The water fountain in the Market Place was taken down and the water supply used for a static water tank in connection with air raid precautions. The old stone water fountain was stored for many years in the council yard in Queens Road at the back of the library.

10th January - Nuneaton Citizens Advice Bureau opened.

4th June - RAF Bramcote commissioned.

July - The 1st Polish Squadron came to be stationed at RAF Bramcote. No.300 Masovian, followed by Nos. 301, 304, 305.

20th August - King George VI and Queen Elizabeth paid a secret visit to RAF Bramcote to inspect a squadron of Polish aviators.

28th August - First air raid on Nuneaton. The Luftwaffe bombed Weddington - 1 dead.

14th November - The great blitz on Coventry, a few bombs were dropped around the Nuneaton area.

This not only shows that fountains existed in the war, but it also shows
that they where "in connection with air raid precautions". No doubt, there
would have been many more deaths on the 28th August, had it not been
for the fountain. However, I don't think that should be modeled in IL2 for
reasons of balance.

I have made a 3d model of what I think the fountain should look like in IL2.
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/9789/fountaind.jpg
edit: but not white.

[WTE_Galway]

I have made a 3d model of what I think the fountain should look like in IL2.
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/9789/fountaind.jpg
edit: but not white.


So fountains should be camouflaged ?

[Letum]

So fountains should be camouflaged ?

No....just normal fountain colour.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Letum... while I think, mid-air-repair would be a nice feature, I see fountains beeing more easily to implement, so due to our low timeframe, it would be first choise.

With 'easily to implement' I don't mean, that we consider to do a simplified model/function or such - no, we should make it work 100% historical and technical correct. I just want to assure you this.

However, your model already seems nice, I suppose, it doesn't contain any LoD or Damage models yet? Please feel free to continue it. We'll think about calculation about the water flow velocity (LPM - liter per minute) for varoius types.

Feel free to send us your datas at: daidalos.team@gmail.com

We there also can discuss a 'maybe'-way for mid-air repairs. ;-)

[Letum]

Datas will be transmitted with promptitude.
I will even go through the considerable emotional distress of making a damage model.

[MicroWave]

Datas will be transmitted with promptitude.
I will even go through the considerable emotional distress of making a damage model.

Please make sure that none of the modeled fountains is owned by NG Company.
This applies to plumbing and water too.

[FG28_Kodiak]

I think we need 6DOF before Fountains, seems there is a little Problem:

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3700/funz.jpg

[swiss]

Please make sure that none of the modeled fountains is owned by NG Company.
This applies to plumbing and water too.

Or NG built submarines.

[DD_crash]

Dont start that NG nonsense here! :) By the way, Strike Fighters are now selling a Pacific add on that features NG aircraft AND ships How did they do that?

[Sternjaeger]

...I want back the bandwidth I used to look at this topic please... :rolleyes:

LOL! :grin:

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

I think we need 6DOF before Fountains, seems there is a little Problem:

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3700/funz.jpg


How ... phallic! I hope everything is alright with Letum. :rolleyes:

[Robo.]

Just make sure that the blue fountains are not overmodelled!

[IceFire]

Dont start that NG nonsense here! :) By the way, Strike Fighters are now selling a Pacific add on that features NG aircraft AND ships How did they do that?

Look on the back cover of the Pacific Fighters box for your answer.

EDIT: And this was by far the least silly post on this whole thread... so in order to liven it up:

http://rarebirdfinds.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c6d1d53ef011168988b00970c-300wi
I have no idea......... seriously.....

[WTE_Galway]

If you leave out submarines because of NG legal shenanigans then you will end up with a Sea Monster problem to deal with.


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y101/clannagh/seamonster.jpg

[hiro]

For the bomber guys

this one doubles as a radio antenna also the mechanics outside can take a drink

http://amazingwaterfountains.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Goose-Girl-Fountain.jpg


The bombers can fit a bar, so if you can remember to include those when you make every era bomber including cockpits and stuff available.

Screenshot from B-17 next to radio guy in south pacific
http://blog.humuhumu.com/wp-images/frank-dellarios-tiki-bar-today.jpg

I PS'd the color, based off of my clubbing experience so its a WIP.

[WTE_Galway]

For the bomber guys


Screenshot from B-17 next to radio guy in south pacific
http://blog.humuhumu.com/wp-images/frank-dellarios-tiki-bar-today.jpg



au contraire ... that is clearly the interior of a b29

The b17 in the PTO had a self service Mai Tai bar,

[Coen020]

-'It were not only the allies that saw the extended use for waterfountains, nazi germany for once failed to produce similar technology. Instead they stole the waterfountain concept which would later be known as 'Project Fontäne'-.

'Luckily however the Luftwaffe never used this deadly weapon for it would surely change the tide of war and the battle for britain would have been a utter slaugther on britains side.

Here we can see a Stuka prototype from after the war, which was found in an abandoned hangar by america's infantery units.