More severe moderation in update threads?

[KOM.Nausicaa]

The title speaks for itself. Should the moderators show more presence and intervene more in the weekly update threads, yes or no?

[Jaws2002]

YES!!!
I see a lot of nonsense and crap comming from the same people all the time. Over and over and over again the same people just mess every updates thread.

"Oh this looks crappy,...this was done in X game ten years ago,...it sucks, I want this, I want that"......and so on.
Every friday the same crap from the same people. :roll:

[BP_Tailspin]

The present work of moderators is just fine, period.

If you ask the moderators to do your thinking for you why not just let them post the replies to Oleg’s posts for you. This way all we need to do is read, no need to think for our selves or have our own opinions.

It’s all good …

[JG52Uther]

YES!!!
I see a lot of nonsense and crap comming from the same people all the time. Over and over and over again the same people just mess every updates thread.

"Oh this looks crappy,...this was done in X game ten years ago,...it sucks, I want this, I want that"......and so on.
Every friday the same crap from the same people. :roll:
+1
Must drive Oleg mad having to trawl through 20 pages of rubbish just to find a legitimate question to answer!

[RedToo]

Definately more intervention. Never mind driving Oleg mad - it drives me mad having to wade through all the drivel.

RedToo.

[swiss]

The present work of moderators is just fine, period.

If you ask the moderators to do your thinking for you why not just let them post the replies to Oleg’s posts for you. This way all we need to do is read, no need to think for our selves or have our own opinions.

It’s all good …

+1

[Trumper]

:) What we need is an easy to access,easy to understand question and answer ONLY thread where no other replies are allowed to be posted,a read only thread,locked .
Any questions that need to be added could be added in another thread and once again NO DISCUSSION just the question and as it is answered it gets moved into the other thread described above.
A question for Oleg and team to answer needs no discussion as we can't answer them anyway.
Failing that we carry on as it is ,first 10 pages or so Oleg chips in but then it degenerates into personality v personality slanging match.
I personally think the moderators should be alot stricter and cull the threads HARD and ruthlessly.

[Novotny]

I made several requests for more moderation months ago.

[Feathered_IV]

Definitely! Do it for Oleg's sake if not for the rest of us. Imagine having to read all that rubbish every time you make the effort to show what you have created.
Maybe a period of zero tolerance to bring some of the worst people back onto a more civilised footing.

[SlipBall]

I think that the moderation level in this forum is about right. There are only 2 or 3 member's who are abusing the system, and spaming the up-date thread with junk each week...we should turn the table on them, by spaming their PM folder with request to cease and desist.:-P

[ATAG_Dutch]

I think that the moderation level in this forum is about right. There are only 2 or 3 member's who are abusing the system, and spaming the up-date thread with junk each week...we should turn the table on them, by spaming their PM folder with request to cease and desist.:-P

+1

There's also the 'report post' button to make the moderators job easier.

Personally, I find 'Great Update!', 'Fantastic!' 'Thanks Oleg!' or even 'First!' or 'Damn, Second!' just as tedious as the personal attacks between members that inevitably crop up. I wouldn't dream of stopping them though, as they are at least positive and supportive.

If we can't be bothered trawling through posts to find something interesting/informative, lets do something else, such as fly a flight sim.
A good one, such as IL2 Sturmovik.

[Feathered_IV]

Repeat offenders should have text inserted by moderators beneath their avatars. "Resorts to personal attacks" "Unable to grasp WiP concept" and "Thread hijacker" to name but a few.

[BadAim]

I'm not sure if we need to be more severely moderated, but we should certainly have more severe moderation. :)

[Qpassa]

I think now Its ok.

[T}{OR]

+1
Must drive Oleg mad having to trawl through 20 pages of rubbish just to find a legitimate question to answer!

+2

[rok]

I've basically stopped reading update threads. Nowadays I just click Oleg's name and choose "Show all posts by Oleg Maddox".

[Triggaaar]

Personally, I find 'Great Update!', 'Fantastic!' 'Thanks Oleg!' or even 'First!' or 'Damn, Second!' just as tedious as the personal attacks between members that inevitably crop up. I wouldn't dream of stopping them though, as they are at least positive and supportive.Well the 'Thanks Oleg' etc posts are positive, and I think they're worth posting, as I'm sure the developers like the fact that their work is appreciated (imagine if no one posted a thing, like we didn't give a stuff about the update). But people posting 'First!', 'Damn, Second' - what's that all about? I'd rather the mods just removed the post altogether.

[philip.ed]

I agree with what Oleg said last week;
ask questions, supply answers if possible, give links if neccesary, be humble....something to that effect.
Surely that is all that is needed? ;)

[Igo kyu]

Personally, I find 'Great Update!', 'Fantastic!' 'Thanks Oleg!' or even 'First!' or 'Damn, Second!' just as tedious as the personal attacks between members that inevitably crop up.
If I did dream of stopping any posts, it would be all of the above without exception.

I actually voted the current moderation right, because I think it is, and I wouldn't want to see anything changed.

The elimination of the "this bit might be a bit wrong, perhaps?" posts to concentrate on the butt-kissing ones would entirely remove the point of the update threads for me.

[philip.ed]

Igo, I agree. Also, the majority of posts where users raise their concerns or post their own opinions are still very much applausing Oleg and co's work.
Normally it's along the lines of:
"excellent update, Oleg. I love the lighting in shot_ and the planes really do look photographic.
I was wondering___"

;)

[Jaws2002]

If I did dream of stopping any posts, it would be all of the above without exception.

I actually voted the current moderation right, because I think it is, and I wouldn't want to see anything changed.

The elimination of the "this bit might be a bit wrong, perhaps?" posts to concentrate on the butt-kissing ones would entirely remove the point of the update threads for me.

Nobody is against that kind of imput. We are talking about this kind of imput:

"The clouds are *facepalm* "

"Computers have permanently developed better and better since the last 9 years. But SoW BoB doensn't look like 9 years better than IL-2. "

"Hm, I hope Oleg shows that he is grown-up and not in a snit now like a small child."

"Well Oleg:

The terrain still looks crappy and it's endless far from cinematic.

Some sort of trees in the pics look very poor..."

"Why does the water not show any effect to the crashing plane.
There should be circled waves going away from the entrance of the plane in the water.
And the trees in the second part of pictures just look very very bad."

"Even these clouds of 2006 version look better than the ones Oleg shows us in developments updates."

"The trees look like they would be flat green paper swimming on the water surface."

"It's very disappointing to be lured with video thoughts of luthier and then getting a few shots without anything new in it."


All this and a storm of stupid questions is coming from only one guy. And there are two maybe three others. Every friday is the same. This is crap, that is crap, i want this, i want that, you promised this.....

This is not constructive criticism. This are mostly insults. I'd be pissed to get this kind of stuff every week, for something I worked on for five years. Specially coming from some sixteen year old kid.

[Icewolf]

just keep adding the idiots to your ignore list ,easy solution.

[philip.ed]

Unless evidence is giving on members saying such things, surely your post is just as de-constructive and, thus, hypocritical? What's the saying: all talk, no action?
I mean I agree that such things are just rude, but I can't recall one member saying all that! I think it all get's spread across the board like marmite. That's metaphorical, and ambiguous, if you get my drift ;)

I think we should put the past behind us and focus on the future. If the same thing happens, then-yes-we have reason to get annoyed.

[klem]

I think now Its ok.

Qpassa - this is truly not against you personally but your reply is simple, to the point, and represents the view of several others so I picked up on it and I just want to say IMHO that view is incorrect.

The Friday before last I ploughed through 90 pages - NINETY! - to see if my question had been answered.

That is NOT now "OK". It's ridiculous. Its is supposed to be informative, questioning, with responses from Oleg but not a platform for irrelevant posts or egotistical p*nis waving. It needs to be kept to the point. If I were only skimming through just looking at the odd opinions it would not hurt as I could skip what I like but if I have to get past every single post to find an answer it's a frustrating pain in the a$$ especially when you see so much taken up with juvenile tit for tat trash. It also makes it hard for Oleg to even find our questions.

It makes Oleg's attempts to keep us informed almost worthless.

I've been discussing this with others in another thread and truthfully I don't know the answer unless Oleg is willing to lock his thread and post his answers there to questions raised in a parallel thread. We'll still get the lunies who want to see their name up in lights but at least the update thread will be clean - if Oleg can find our questions among the other mire.

And some of them will be laughing at us for the trouble they are able to cause.

The only other way I can think of to reduce this nonsense is to set these guys to 'Ignore' (if I can find out how to do it). They can then feed their egos as much as they like and I won't see it. At least then people will know that if they want to be heard - sensibly - they need to stay away from the kind of post we don't want to see or they won't be heard at all. Of course we could all just filter on Oleg's answers but it would be nice to remove a lot of the unnecessary garbage. Providing Oleg can find our questions in there.

Sorry for the lengthy sermon.

[Jaws2002]

Unless evidence is giving on members saying such things, surely your post is just as de-constructive and, thus, hypocritical?
What's the saying: all talk, no action?
I mean I agree that such things are just rude, but I can't recall one member saying all that! I think it all get's spread across the board like marmite.

Here's the evidence:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/search.php?searchid=1428865

All the quotes posted above can be found there, in the exact same format. If you go read through that link you'll also see the constant "give me this, i want that", over and over again coming from the same guy.

[philip.ed]

Here's the evidence:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/search.php?searchid=1428865

All the quotes posted above can be found there, in the exact same format.

The link doesn't work...

[Old_Canuck]

Definately more intervention. Never mind driving Oleg mad - it drives me mad having to wade through all the drivel.

RedToo.

Indeed! Moderators please flush the drivel.

[Jaws2002]

The link doesn't work...

For some reason only works when i'm logged with my user ID.

Ok anywhay, go to the last updates thread, go to the top of page#7, click on the user"Hecke" and then "find all posts bye Hecke"

You'll find everything there.


Let me try this link:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/search.php?do=finduser&u=19984


PS. I think this one works.

[philip.ed]

OK, I can see now.

It's a mixed bag. I think Hecke has a poor way of getting his point across. In some cases I have agreed with him, but he's just not constructive enough in his posts. I hope he sees this, as all he needs to do is change his attitude and not be so rude.

I think that's a fair analysis. ;)

Anyway, blue skies. let's see what the next update brings...(if we get one) ;)

[LukeFF]

I agree with what Oleg said last week;
ask questions, supply answers if possible, give links if neccesary, be humble....something to that effect.
Surely that is all that is needed? ;)

You would do well to remember that yourself. Not that you haven't posted good factual information (because you have), but a lot of the time I feel like I'm reading a stream of consciousness novel in your posts.

[philip.ed]

You would do well to remember that yourself. Not that you haven't posted good factual information (because you have), but a lot of the time I feel like I'm reading a stream of consciousness novel in your posts.

Noted, thanks. I do agree; reading through some of my posts, I did go red in the face. (I'm not being sarcastic here; it's embarassing for me to have to say this, too)

[Furio]

On balance, I believe that mods are doing a good job, and an uneasy one. A free forum can remain free only if all of us use tolerance. Only blatant insults and violations of forum rules should be deleted, and this is what mods are doing routinely, it seems to me.
If some guy really annoys me, I stop reading him, and I’m sure Oleg does the same.
My choice is number three: “just fine”.

[Jaws2002]

OK, I can see now.

It's a mixed bag. I think Hecke has a poor way of getting his point across. In some cases I have agreed with him, but he's just not constructive enough in his posts. I hope he sees this, as all he needs to do is change his attitude and not be so rude.

I think that's a fair analysis. ;)

Anyway, blue skies. let's see what the next update brings...(if we get one) ;)


In my opinion this gone for way too long. If your dog bites you once you forget and put it behind. You'll most likely forgive second time too. But if it bites you and everyone else every week, you put it to sleep. Is that simple.

[philip.ed]

An interesting analysis, and scarily down to earth when put like that! :grin:

I still think we should wait for the next update. The only thing is, just because the next update is devoid of argument doesn't mean the next one won't be....etc oh well.

[Abbeville-Boy]

An interesting analysis, and scarily down to earth when put like that! :grin:

I still think we should wait for the next update. The only thing is, just because the next update is devoid of argument doesn't mean the next one won't be....etc oh well.

your over posting here too 25% of replys :grin:

[julian265]

The Friday before last I ploughed through 90 pages - NINETY! - to see if my question had been answered.

Why didn't you just search through Oleg's posts?

[nearmiss]

Remember...

This is a company forums. 1C develops and distributes products that people actually buy. The purpose of this forums is to promote and provide some support for 1C games.

Many posters are teenagers. Teenagers aren't very adroit communicators. It is very easy for them to sidetrack, and move off topic.

Oleg is very patient, sorting through the junk postings. We all know he makes timely postings about issues he is interested to share. Usually the update threads are pretty well exhausted after the first couple days, but Oleg or Luthier do post on later days when a posting tweaks their interest.

Several times we have tried to deal with troublesome posters. The only thing misguided posters seem to respect is BAN. Banning members really makes them mad, because for the most part these members don't really connect with the reason for the ban.

Best course of action is to report postings, or send a PM to moderator. Specifically identify the troublesome member and posting of concern. Every PM we get is dealt with and frequently a troublesome member is banned temporarily or permanently.

[YellowPaw]

This is my first post here though I've been following Il2 (and now SoW) since being hooked by the original demo back in the stone age when pentiums ruled the earth.

I've been avidly following the progress of our new great sim since it was announced but, before now, I've never felt the need to comment since, whenever I pondered some interesting question I might ask, someone else generally went ahead and asked it for me (maybe I'm just slow).

Now, however, I feel a bit left out as this hearty debate progresses so I thought I'd add my own observations to the fray:

Over the last few weeks I've found myself wincing every now and then at the occasional crass statement or question directed at Oleg, but I've generally reassured myself that Oleg himself (who is after all grown-up) recognises idiocy when he sees it and doesn't take it too personally. I'm sure he gets annoyed, as most of us would, but I doubt anyone as capable and confident in his professional abilities as Oleg clearly is, is going to take it to heart.

In addition, I've never felt those crass statements or questions were intended to be malicious in any way (obvious trolls aside), so for my part (and mine alone), I don't have too much of a problem with ill-considered posts directed at the devs or the game itself. I've actually done a few ill-considered things in my own life and I don't have it in me to censure it in others where I find no malice behind it (or if I do I keep it to myself).

And anyway, I haven't done a comparative post count as such but I don't believe it is these inconsequential blatherings that fill up these threads to such herculanean proportions... it is the responses to them - and the responses to the responses.

In the end, it is the rage and insults spent in pursuit of the 'wicked' that leaves me with the occasional bad feeling when I read these threads. I honestly don't believe you can legislate against idiocy, since all of us are guilty at one time or another and at the same time no one is irredeemable. Manners, and respect, however, should be something we are all capable of. Oleg made a statement recently calling for patience. I took to this to mean something akin to tolerance for one another but I may be wrong.

So can't we all just try a little respect and a little more humility.

Anyway, that's my first post (there are probably too many brackets, but I like brackets) and I'm off to bed - it's a cold night in blighty.

Praise the Oleg and pass the ammunition.

[Splitter]

This is my first post here though I've been following Il2 (and now SoW) since being hooked by the original demo back in the stone age when pentiums ruled the earth.

I've been avidly following the progress of our new great sim since it was announced but, before now, I've never felt the need to comment since, whenever I pondered some interesting question I might ask, someone else generally went ahead and asked it for me (maybe I'm just slow).

Now, however, I feel a bit left out as this hearty debate progresses so I thought I'd add my own observations to the fray:

Over the last few weeks I've found myself wincing every now and then at the occasional crass statement or question directed at Oleg, but I've generally reassured myself that Oleg himself (who is after all grown-up) recognises idiocy when he sees it and doesn't take it too personally. I'm sure he gets annoyed, as most of us would, but I doubt anyone as capable and confident in his professional abilities as Oleg clearly is, is going to take it to heart.

In addition, I've never felt those crass statements or questions were intended to be malicious in any way (obvious trolls aside), so for my part (and mine alone), I don't have too much of a problem with ill-considered posts directed at the devs or the game itself. I've actually done a few ill-considered things in my own life and I don't have it in me to censure it in others where I find no malice behind it (or if I do I keep it to myself).

And anyway, I haven't done a comparative post count as such but I don't believe it is these inconsequential blatherings that fill up these threads to such herculanean proportions... it is the responses to them - and the responses to the responses.

In the end, it is the rage and insults spent in pursuit of the 'wicked' that leaves me with the occasional bad feeling when I read these threads. I honestly don't believe you can legislate against idiocy, since all of us are guilty at one time or another and at the same time no one is irredeemable. Manners, and respect, however, should be something we are all capable of. Oleg made a statement recently calling for patience. I took to this to mean something akin to tolerance for one another but I may be wrong.

So can't we all just try a little respect and a little more humility.

Anyway, that's my first post (there are probably too many brackets, but I like brackets) and I'm off to bed - it's a cold night in blighty.

Praise the Oleg and pass the ammunition.

You need to post more often.....

Splitter

[Jaws2002]

I agree with you, but when you have only maybe two same guys being responsible for all this, it should be a lot easier to just ban this usual suspects and spare Oleg and the whole community of all this drama.
We and Oleg don't owe nothing to this two three guys to have to put up with this every week.
Remember, the game is not out yet, they didn't pay a cent yet, so why should all the rest have to be hostage to them? We have to put up with people like this in real life all the time, because they are customers, contractors, employees, boses and sometimes familly members. We come here for fun in our spare time. We don't have to put up with this.

[Jimko]

This is my first post here though I've been following Il2 (and now SoW) since being hooked by the original demo back in the stone age when pentiums ruled the earth.

I've been avidly following the progress of our new great sim since it was announced but, before now, I've never felt the need to comment since, whenever I pondered some interesting question I might ask, someone else generally went ahead and asked it for me (maybe I'm just slow).

Now, however, I feel a bit left out as this hearty debate progresses so I thought I'd add my own observations to the fray:

Over the last few weeks I've found myself wincing every now and then at the occasional crass statement or question directed at Oleg, but I've generally reassured myself that Oleg himself (who is after all grown-up) recognises idiocy when he sees it and doesn't take it too personally. I'm sure he gets annoyed, as most of us would, but I doubt anyone as capable and confident in his professional abilities as Oleg clearly is, is going to take it to heart.

In addition, I've never felt those crass statements or questions were intended to be malicious in any way (obvious trolls aside), so for my part (and mine alone), I don't have too much of a problem with ill-considered posts directed at the devs or the game itself. I've actually done a few ill-considered things in my own life and I don't have it in me to censure it in others where I find no malice behind it (or if I do I keep it to myself).

And anyway, I haven't done a comparative post count as such but I don't believe it is these inconsequential blatherings that fill up these threads to such herculanean proportions... it is the responses to them - and the responses to the responses.

In the end, it is the rage and insults spent in pursuit of the 'wicked' that leaves me with the occasional bad feeling when I read these threads. I honestly don't believe you can legislate against idiocy, since all of us are guilty at one time or another and at the same time no one is irredeemable. Manners, and respect, however, should be something we are all capable of. Oleg made a statement recently calling for patience. I took to this to mean something akin to tolerance for one another but I may be wrong.

So can't we all just try a little respect and a little more humility.

Anyway, that's my first post (there are probably too many brackets, but I like brackets) and I'm off to bed - it's a cold night in blighty.

Praise the Oleg and pass the ammunition.

Hear Hear! Well stated, YellowPaw!

As I was reading these posts, I was formulating a reply when I came to yours and discovered that you have already stated my thoughts (and probably the thoughts of many others) on this matter.

So I will just reiterate the point that Oleg made and that you drew attention to. Polite, respectful forum protocol...something that everyone should be capable of. This is the one aspect that, when ignored, I think deserves severe and swift moderation

Unless the rules governing the posting of questions and opinions in the 'Update' forum are spelled out very carefully to restrict the kind of postings made, then stopping those kinds of comments is a form of censorship that really defeats the purpose of discussion. And that's why I say that the rules governing the posts would have to change and be spelled out very carefully so as to be very restrictive, and, would likely eliminate meaningful discussions .

As it stands, I wouldn't want to see anyone prohibited from asking questions, stating opinions, or entering into POLITE discussions and debates. I can handle all that and I readily filter Oleg's comments when I need to. I am still of the opinion that there is no such thing as a 'stupid question', (probably because I can be guilty of many examples of them), although sometimes a question is ill-timed or not well thought out beforehand...a minor annoyance, not a major crime.

But the denigration of others should not be tolerated, and there are many forums where it's not. I believe that was the aspect that concerned Oleg and the reason he addressed us with his comment.

[baronWastelan]

I don't care. This forum sucks and you're all gonna die.

[JG52Uther]

I don't care. This forum sucks and you're all gonna die.
You see,this is just the sort of thing that could get a ban.The poster might think he is being funny,but humour does not always travel well on the net,with lots of people from different countries.

[nearmiss]

Don't take the baron serious he's older than dirt and twice as ugly.

[BadAim]

We'll someone had to break up the civility of this thread, it's actually making me wretch a little. :)

Seriously though, WTG guys. Like I said before, we need to moderate ourselves first, and it looks like that's happening here. If we can get that spirit moved over to the update thread tomorrow we'll be all good.

[YellowPaw]

@ Splitter - Thanks for the comment - I would like to post more often but I'm not sure I have too much to offer. I'm reasonably well-educated about WW2 and its aircraft but no where near the walking encyclopaedias that frequent this forum:-) - I come here to read, to be honest, and I hugely enjoy it! Though I do feel the odd question rearing its head as SoW nears completion.;)

...

Unless the rules governing the posting of questions and opinions in the 'Update' forum are spelled out very carefully to restrict the kind of postings made, then stopping those kinds of comments is a form of censorship that really defeats the purpose of discussion. And that's why I say that the rules governing the posts would have to change and be spelled out very carefully so as to be very restrictive, and, would likely eliminate meaningful discussions .

As it stands, I wouldn't want to see anyone prohibited from asking questions, stating opinions, or entering into POLITE discussions and debates. I can handle all that and I readily filter Oleg's comments when I need to. I am still of the opinion that there is no such thing as a 'stupid question', (probably because I can be guilty of many examples of them), although sometimes a question is ill-timed or not well thought out beforehand...a minor annoyance, not a major crime.

But the denigration of others should not be tolerated, and there are many forums where it's not. I believe that was the aspect that concerned Oleg and the reason he addressed us with his comment.

Actually, I think in supporting my comment, you have rather surpassed it. :-) - Very clearly stated. Damn.

[nearmiss]

@ Splitter - Thanks for the comment - I would like to post more often but I'm not sure I have too much to offer. I'm reasonably well-educated about WW2 and its aircraft but no where near the walking encyclopaedias that frequent this forum:-) - I come here to read, to be honest, and I hugely enjoy it! Though I do feel the odd question rearing its head as SoW nears completion.;)

Actually, I think in supporting my comment, you have rather surpassed it. :-) - Very clearly stated. Damn.

Often troublesome members and their postings are deleted and no one even knows of it.

I think we all agree there should be some latitude or allowances made in postings, if the poster doesn't go too far.

[GOA_Potenz]

But what is exactly what are you looking for to people to say in Updates threads???

There are a lot of stupid question in those threads, but there are lot of good ones too, so moderators can't keep deleting or warning people just cause some
of the senior members doesn't like their questions.

Have you ever realized that the main problems in forum or chats is the lack of
expresion in the letters, you can try to say something in a funny way but can
be missunderstood by other and end up in something bad.

I suffer that in one of the updates talking about the effects, i sated that were wrong and doesn't look right and then fans flame me for that, then i don't remember who, but one from oleg team said that they hated those effects more than anybody else and were just wip. the main point in this
is in an update thread all the forum users will not think the same and you
should not filter that, let everybody express them selves and then take
what it worth for you.

I remember another time that somebody asked when was the first time
that this sim was anounced, i answered the question, and i recive a PM from
nearmiss that answering that i was insulting oleg.

Lads please let the fellas out there really say what they really think, nice or
not it will help to improve the project, developer doesn't need lamers fro their
good, need compliments and complains.

Regards

Potenz.

[ECV56_Guevara]

But what is exactly what are you looking for to people to say in Updates threads???

There are a lot of stupid question in those threads, but there are lot of good ones too, so moderators can't keep deleting or warning people just cause some
of the senior members doesn't like their questions.
Lads please let the fellas out there really say what they really think, nice or
not it will help to improve the project, developer doesn't need lamers fro their
good, need compliments and complains.

Regards

Potenz.

+10 Buen post!
We must moderate ourselves before posting. And it´s so easy to recognize a troll when you read a forum, so it s simple.

[SlipBall]

But what is exactly what are you looking for to people to say in Updates threads???

There are a lot of stupid question in those threads, but there are lot of good ones too, so moderators can't keep deleting or warning people just cause some
of the senior members doesn't like their questions.

Have you ever realized that the main problems in forum or chats is the lack of
expresion in the letters, you can try to say something in a funny way but can
be missunderstood by other and end up in something bad.

I suffer that in one of the updates talking about the effects, i sated that were wrong and doesn't look right and then fans flame me for that, then i don't remember who, but one from oleg team said that they hated those effects more than anybody else and were just wip. the main point in this
is in an update thread all the forum users will not think the same and you
should not filter that, let everybody express them selves and then take
what it worth for you.

I remember another time that somebody asked when was the first time
that this sim was anounced, i answered the question, and i recive a PM from
nearmiss that answering that i was insulting oleg.

Lads please let the fellas out there really say what they really think, nice or
not it will help to improve the project, developer doesn't need lamers fro their
good, need compliments and complains.

Regards

Potenz.



The problem with the up-date thread as I see it, is that a question/complaint to Oleg, becomes a debate between members. I would like to see questions/complaints (and questions/complaints only) offered to Oleg, if he answer fine, if not then he doesn't want to answer. No need for other members to try and answer for him, or to criticize the question...in short only questions/complaints should be posted, with no follow up by other members (I have been guilty of this), and that includes "thanks for answering Oleg", which are not needed, and only add to the clutter.:grin:

[Blackdog_kt]

Actually i'm going to agree with you guys, it seems we're getting somewhere.

Potenz makes some good points, as well as Yellopaw and Jimko. Ironically enough, in the end it seems it's our inability to not feed the trolls that starts the downward spiral of "forum dueling".

Reminds me of something i read by a poster in SimHQ once: "The forum is a place where real-time virtual pilots come to play turn-based verbal combat" :-P

[klem]

Why didn't you just search through Oleg's posts?

Because at the time I didn't realise I could - it's not in the help pages. If you read the whole of my post you'll see I mention doing that.

The poll seems to indicate that something needs to be done but I'll just search Oleg's answers.

[Necrobaron]

The present work of moderators is just fine, period.

If you ask the moderators to do your thinking for you why not just let them post the replies to Oleg’s posts for you. This way all we need to do is read, no need to think for our selves or have our own opinions.

It’s all good …

Agreed!

[LukeFF]

Don't take the baron serious he's older than dirt and twice as ugly.

...and he's also on my Ignore list, because he can never find it in himself to post anything civil.

[major_setback]

There should be two links in each update thread, the update itself then being locked after Oleg has posted his update..

1st link: contains Oleg's statements, questions made directly to Oleg, and Oleg's replies. This is a pure update link.

2nd link: A discussion of the update, and comments made about questions made to Oleg, and any post made in the first link which is not a direct question or suggestion to Oleg - they should be moved here. This is a discussion link.

[tagTaken2]

I believe the moderation of update threads is woeful.

Can't understand why ban hammer is not being used.

Anyone posting anything controversial that is unrelated to the screenshots should get a week ban instantly, and anyone responding should get a one month ban. How hard is it?

[zipper]

Maybe I'm just a bit too old, but isn't "more severe moderation" an oxymoron? (Or, worse yet, a political position?)

[KOM.Nausicaa]

Maybe I'm just a bit too old, but isn't "more severe moderation" an oxymoron? (Or, worse yet, a political position?)

Maybe just bad english. Apologies for that.

[winny]

My feelings are that we should be allowed to discuss all things aviation wise.

Some of the subjective stuff (colours, landscape, smoke etc) is ok but ultimately down to personal preference.

Posts which use one screen shot to highlight a 'problem (when there are several other shots that dont) should be deleted.

Political debates such as the Poland discussion in the current update thread have no real place in a thread to do with development updates.

Overall I'm quite happy with the moderation although I have seen some very petty/childish posts from at least one of the moderators in the past.

Ulitmately it's down to the poster to self censor and to consider what effect what they have to say will have on the thread. Plenty of times I've written out a 'you're wrong' post and then not pressed submit because it would have just kicked off.

[JtD]

Definitely more strictly moderated. Repeat offenders should be banned as written down in the forum rules.

[jayrc]

free speaking forums should not be restricted to what you can and cant talk about, I'm sure Oleg knows how to cut through the crap, some of it's funny, let it be

[Igo kyu]

Maybe I'm just a bit too old, but isn't "more severe moderation" an oxymoron? (Or, worse yet, a political position?)
That's a conflation of/pun on two different meanings of "moderation" I believe.

[leggit]

if you get annoyed by the chaff on those threads...don't read them....personally i only checkout Olegs posts then i'm done....it seems pointless reading the rest as its 80% crap.

yes thats my opinion someone else will say 30% another 50%...my point is its un-workable....there is a lot of dribble put on this forum...reason being everyone is waiting for bob...point incase the "lets fund C1 development" thread. some people just have nothing better to do with their time.

[LukeFF]

free speaking forums should not be restricted to what you can and cant talk about, I'm sure Oleg knows how to cut through the crap, some of it's funny, let it be

Have you tried to wade through some of the crap people post week after week, in an effort to find meaningful discussion about the topic at hand? It's ridiculous.

And no, it's not "free-speaking." It's a privately-run board. "Free speech" doesn't apply here.

[Rodolphe]

...


Remembrance !

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Freedom.jpg


...

[fireflyerz]

Have you tried to wade through some of the crap people post week after week, in an effort to find meaningful discussion about the topic at hand? It's ridiculous.

And no, it's not "free-speaking." It's a privately-run board. "Free speech" doesn't apply here.

Oh for gods sake man , give it a rest , your narrow minded , im gonna read you your rights attitude is getting real boaring, grow up.

[Feathered_IV]

I believe the moderation of update threads is woeful.

Can't understand why ban hammer is not being used.

I totally agree.

I actually was shocked to learn that there even were moderators here. The standards here are so low, and moderation so pitifully ineffective that the overwhelming impression is one of anything-goes, or moderation by non English speaking Russian technical support.

[Splitter]

I totally agree.

I actually was shocked to learn that there even were moderators here. The standards here are so low, and moderation so pitifully ineffective that the overwhelming impression is one of anything-goes, or moderation by non English speaking Russian technical support.

Well now just think....if moderation was the way you wanted it on this board, you would now be banned lol. C'mon, isn't "pitiful" rather harsh?!

Things aren't all that bad. The latest update thread has been civil.

I would much rather put up with the occasional "punk" than "drunk with power" moderators. I've seen both on various internet board and the ones that go downhill fastest are the ones where the mods take over.

Splitter

[ATAG_Dutch]

Political debates such as the Poland discussion in the current update thread have no real place in a thread to do with development updates.

I agree completely Winny, even though I was one of the guilty parties.
I posted to calm things down before it turned into a slanging match, which seemed to work ok.

[winny]

Just to be clear, this is about the update thread only..

I just think it's disrespectful to OM/1C

I have no problem with ya'll shouting at each other elsewhere.

[LukeFF]

Oh for gods sake man , give it a rest , your narrow minded , im gonna read you your rights attitude is getting real boaring, grow up.

Your spelling sucks, your grammar is horrible, and you're now on my Ignore list. Have a nice day. :D

[fireflyerz]

Oh thank god...prat.

[swiss]

I've seen both on various internet board and the ones that go downhill fastest are the ones where the mods take over.



Seen that too.

I one occasion it tore a already small community apart, resulting in three factions.

Maybe the people calling for a more severe moderation don't spend too much time on Internet boards.

[BP_Tailspin]

Have you tried to wade through some of the crap people post week after week, in an effort to find meaningful discussion about the topic at hand? It's ridiculous.

One mans “crap” is another mans “meaningful discussion” …

And no, it's not "free-speaking." It's a privately-run board. "Free speech" doesn't apply here.

I think this is for Oleg to decide.

[LukeFF]

One mans “crap” is another mans “meaningful discussion” …

I'm talking about the off-topic discussions, such as the current one about Britain's treatment of Poland. Nothing wrong with talking about that, of course, but it has no relevance to the topic at hand.

I think this is for Oleg to decide.

He has to wade through all of that as well. Show the man some respect by staying on topic.

[leggit]

well seems this thread has turned into a lot of chaff..i'm done with it.

[ATAG_Dutch]

I agree completely Winny, even though I was one of the guilty parties.
I posted to calm things down before it turned into a slanging match, which seemed to work ok.

I retract that statement in full. I just went back and had another look and my post didn't calm things down at all.
That'll teach me.:(

[Triggaaar]

I'm talking about the off-topic discussions, such as the current one about Britain's treatment of Poland. Nothing wrong with talking about that, of course, but it has no relevance to the topic at hand. I'm one of the guilty parties of that discussion. Unfortunately my standards drop to that of the thread, I'd rather mods just removed all our off topic chat (in update threads), and we'd all get the message. Unfortunately I give in to the 'if you can't beat them, join them' attitude. If there's a conversation I'd like to join in on, it's tough to say 'hey everyone, come with me to chat about this elesewhere' (I did try it with one topic), and easy just to join in.

[Blackdog_kt]

That's exactly what i would favor as well. Bans should be reserved for offences like repeat personal attacks and so on, it's too harsh for off topic remarks.

Best thing to do would be to cut the off topic posts from the update thread and move them to a separate one, opened by a moderator. Since moderators can't waste their time categorizing each off-topic discussion in its own thread but would lump everything in the same basket, we would be left with a thread that's hard to follow for our side-tracked musings. This would gradually force us to open up separate threads of our own whenever we wanted to go on a tangent.

Sad but true, causing a minor inconvenience to upset the modus operandi is the most effective means to make people drift to a different one ;)

[winny]

I retract that statement in full. I just went back and had another look and my post didn't calm things down at all.
That'll teach me.:(

LOL.. I might join in.

[Triggaaar]

Best thing to do would be to cut the off topic posts from the update thread and move them to a separate one, opened by a moderator. Since moderators can't waste their time categorizing each off-topic discussion in its own thread but would lump everything in the same basketI'd rather the moderators didn't even waste that much time. Just remove our posts, no need to paste elsewhere.

[nearmiss]

Just remove postings...you say

Deletion of postings should not be required.

Most of the members on this boards are adults.

In tune with the requests on this thread. The coming update thread will be more severely enforced. No big deal, 1 week bans to members posting off topic - first offense. It will not matter if you have been a member of this board for 3 years and have a good record. OFF TOPIC IS OFF TOPIC, no warnings.

The current update thread is locked because of all the OFF TOPIC postings.

Report OFF TOPIC POSTINGS when you see them. Moderators can't read every posting 24/7.

Thanks

[AdMan]

yes

my questions/comments rarely get answered or responded to, which is fine, but it's even more pointless when they're sandwiched in 40 pages of off-topic discussion, usually in between two posts with 5 2000x2000res pics showing the type of TP the luftwaffe wiped with.

[Insuber]

I vote definitely for a more severe moderation of the update threads. I don't mind about people complaining or criticizing, but I cannot stand the deluge of OTs, the quarrels between the usual 2 or 3 people going on for pages and pages, and the nonsense posts of people having 1000+ posts (of mostly nonsense).

It's evident that someone posts their nonsense in the update thread only because they will get more attention there than in a dedicated nonsensical thread.

Nearmiss, I approve your decision of 1 week ban for OT posters ... go on mate (hopefully you won't mismatch again my nick with another one, posting BS ... :D).

Cheers,
Insuber

[Monty_Thrud]

Anyone remember Olegs Ready Room on Ubi.com?

Then y'all know exactly whats a comin'.

[BK_JG27_Treiber]

I vote definitely for a more severe moderation of the update threads. I don't mind about people complaining or criticizing, but I cannot stand the deluge of OTs, the quarrels between the usual 2 or 3 people going on for pages and pages, and the nonsense posts of people having 1000+ posts (of mostly nonsense).

It's evident that someone posts their nonsense in the update thread only because they will get more attention there than in a dedicated nonsensical thread.

Nearmiss, I approve your decision of 1 week ban for OT posters ... go on mate (hopefully you won't mismatch again my nick with another one, posting BS ... :D).

Cheers,
InsuberI approve of this fully, and suggest that more severe moderation be applied elsewhere as well.

[KG26_Alpha]

yes

my questions/comments rarely get answered or responded to, which is fine, but it's even more pointless when they're sandwiched in 40 pages of off-topic discussion, usually in between two posts with 5 2000x2000res pics showing the type of TP the luftwaffe wiped with.

Sorry we use a flame thrower not TP :)
TP is for softie Allieds.


I vote definitely for a more severe moderation of the update threads. I don't mind about people complaining or criticizing, but I cannot stand the deluge of OTs, the quarrels between the usual 2 or 3 people going on for pages and pages, and the nonsense posts of people having 1000+ posts (of mostly nonsense).


Cheers,
Insuber

Just reset their post count to Zero :)



Nearmiss /and other moderators.
I dont envy you :)
Its a tough job getting the balance of it right, you want to have a flow of topics to have an interesting forum,
but not at the expense of poor quality material and subjects and upsetting others just for the sake of it.


S!

[[URU]AkeR]

Yes please stop the offtopic nonsense!!!!

[Trumper]

:)The voting figures say it all.I have given up reading the update threads,i just click on Olegs posts,my browsing has gone from alot of minutes to seconds.
It unfortunately does mean i miss out on the few good posts but you leave the rubbish ones alone.

[Splitter]

Just remove postings...you say

Deletion of postings should not be required.

Most of the members on this boards are adults.

In tune with the requests on this thread. The coming update thread will be more severely enforced. No big deal, 1 week bans to members posting off topic - first offense. It will not matter if you have been a member of this board for 3 years and have a good record. OFF TOPIC IS OFF TOPIC, no warnings.

The current update thread is locked because of all the OFF TOPIC postings.

Report OFF TOPIC POSTINGS when you see them. Moderators can't read every posting 24/7.

Thanks

ROFL, see what ya'll have done? I predict drama when some old timer gets a week ban from something questionable that someone has reported to a mod. Nearmiss will have pulled his hair out by Saturday. Sorry Nearmiss.

You have my condolences. I've done it, being a mod is a thankless job. Now because things were perceived to be too far one way, you have to swing it back hard the other. Seriously, thank you for your efforts and good luck in trying to keep everyone happy.

It reminds me of when my pitching coach used to come out to the mound to talk to me...."Don't give him anything to hit and don't walk him.". Good luck!

Splitter

[Old_Canuck]

Just remove postings...you say

Deletion of postings should not be required.

Most of the members on this boards are adults.

In tune with the requests on this thread. The coming update thread will be more severely enforced. No big deal, 1 week bans to members posting off topic - first offense. It will not matter if you have been a member of this board for 3 years and have a good record. OFF TOPIC IS OFF TOPIC, no warnings.

The current update thread is locked because of all the OFF TOPIC postings.

Report OFF TOPIC POSTINGS when you see them. Moderators can't read every posting 24/7.

Thanks

YES! Can't wait for Friday. Thanks Mods.

[Fafnir_6]

LOL Adman & KG26 Alpha. You guys are hillarious :).

WRT the moderation of update threads, I support Nearmiss' new direction which will hopefully calm things down a bit (I find the on-topic discussion in those threads very interesting). To all those that worry about the stifling of free speech and moderator power trips, I suppose we could revisit this after a couple of weeks' worth of doing things Nearmiss' way. My gut (and the poll) tells me that the majority of us will appreciate the changes.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

[philip.ed]

LOL Adman & KG26 Alpha. You guys are hillarious :).

WRT the moderation of update threads, I support Nearmiss' new direction which will hopefully calm things down a bit (I find the on-topic discussion in those threads very interesting). To all those that worry about the stifling of free speech and moderator power trips, I suppose we could revisit this after a couple of weeks' worth of doing things Nearmiss' way. I gut (and the poll) tells me that the majority of us will appreciate the changes.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

+1

[Osprey]

Just came back to find the thread locked. What a joke, Oleg stopped posting on about page 5 - if you want to 'stay on topic' then we should get some more updates to talk about, otherwise we are just making conversation.

If the mods are that bothered then perhaps they should use the moderation tools they've been given to split and merge the threads as desired.

All the internet control freaks here would have Tim Berners-Lee shaking his head in disappointment.....

[NLS61]

:) What we need is an easy to access,easy to understand question and answer ONLY thread where no other replies are allowed to be posted,a read only thread,locked .
Any questions that need to be added could be added in another thread and once again NO DISCUSSION just the question and as it is answered it gets moved into the other thread described above.
A question for Oleg and team to answer needs no discussion as we can't answer them anyway.
Failing that we carry on as it is ,first 10 pages or so Oleg chips in but then it degenerates into personality v personality slanging match.
I personally think the moderators should be alot stricter and cull the threads HARD and ruthlessly.


Realy good idear plus one

[kendo65]

The previous post talks about something similar, but thought I'd repost an idea that came up a few months back:

The idea is for a second supplementary discussion thread running every week alongside the official update thread.

The official Oleg update thread would allow ONLY: our reactions to what Oleg has posted, and questions to Oleg about what we see that week.

The shadow thread would include EVERYTHING else: speculation, discussion, questions to Oleg that weren't related directly to that week's update,.

This way we all get to comment on whatever we want, but the main thread is kept clear for the developers (and the impatient) to read. Those who want to ignore all the speculative stuff can avoid it.

Reading back on that now, I can see that it could be unwieldy to implement and enforce. Maybe too restrictive? Would be great if everyone played ball, but we already know from current experience that (some) people aren't good at following instructions.

[SlipBall]

The previous post talks about something similar, but thought I'd repost an idea that came up a few months back:
The idea is for a second supplementary discussion thread running every week alongside the official update thread.

The official Oleg update thread would allow ONLY: our reactions to what Oleg has posted, and questions to Oleg about what we see that week.

The shadow thread would include EVERYTHING else: speculation, discussion, questions to Oleg that weren't related directly to that week's update,.

This way we all get to comment on whatever we want, but the main thread is kept clear for the developers (and the impatient) to read. Those who want to ignore all the speculative stuff can avoid it.Reading back on that now, I can see that it could be unwieldy to implement and enforce. Maybe too restrictive? Would be great if everyone played ball, but we already know from current experience that (some) people aren't good at following instructions.


A second thread would only force Oleg to monitor and reply in each thread, time he does not have. The answer I think is for, the few members who abuse each week to ...knock it off!:grin:

[WTE_Galway]

A second thread would only force Oleg to monitor and reply in each thread, time he does not have. The answer I think is for, the few members who abuse each week to ...knock it off!:grin:


Well ... also if the usual suspects do make their normal negative critical unhelpful statements, outrageous claims that rewrite history or make requests for the Kriegsmarine to be issued Dr Evil style ""frickin' sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their frickin' heads" people really really should resist the temptation to reply and just ignore it.

If the half dozen trolls got ignored by other posters it would be relatively easy to just block them and be left with a sensible thread.

Its the REPLIES to the trolls that really clutter things up.

[Triggaaar]

Just remove postings...you say

Deletion of postings should not be required.No, you're right, they shouldn't.

In tune with the requests on this thread. The coming update thread will be more severely enforced. No big deal, 1 week bans to members posting off topic - first offense. It will not matter if you have been a member of this board for 3 years and have a good record. OFF TOPIC IS OFF TOPIC, no warnings.I absolutely love it, thank you! On the last couple of threads I have been one of the worst offenders of off-topic chat. This rule should mean there's no off topic chat to join in with.

[Triggaaar]

If the mods are that bothered then perhaps they should use the moderation tools they've been given to split and merge the threads as desired.It's not the mods that are that bothered, it's all of us (including some of the offenders), and it's too much work for mods to keep splitting threads each time we go OT.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Oh dear. It'll all end in tears.

[Richie]

I think that one problem is is that the new videos have taken a lot of the mystery out of SOW. We've been able to see what it's really going to look like so half way threw the week after updates things tend to get boring faster and everyone is pretty much all talked out so new topics pop up.

[heywooood]

here I see some run the risk of taking themselves too seriously...

Block Posts from users you dont care for...

Search replies by name (Oleg Luthier) for answers to specific queries

Stop using this kind of format as a police state / slagging wall
some comments here are more insulting than anything found in the update thread

More Vigorous Moderation indeed
Ban Violators...like its a felony to spout or difficult to 'ignore'

Where IS This Fridays' Update?????
Ilya - was the project canceled because of this thread? hahah

[imaca]

It would be nice if people were limited to 1 or 2 posts. It would make them think a bit harder before posting.
(myself included;-)

[tagTaken2]

The coming update thread will be more severely enforced. No big deal, 1 week bans to members posting off topic - first offense. It will not matter if you have been a member of this board for 3 years and have a good record. OFF TOPIC IS OFF TOPIC, no warnings.


Thanks, it won't hurt people to think for a moment before they post.

Hopefully this means Oleg and others will find it easier to pick out the questions from the comments/bickering.
Maybe people could tag direct questions with an *asterisk to make it easier?

[Gomer Pyle]

+1 on Yes! More moderation - less noise.


/Daniel

[sorak]

Definitely! Do it for Oleg's sake if not for the rest of us. Imagine having to read all that rubbish every time you make the effort to show what you have created.
Maybe a period of zero tolerance to bring some of the worst people back onto a more civilised footing.

I just cant imagine having to go threw that horrible nightmare. Oh what a horrible life Oleg must have having to read threw 'that rubbish'.

[Hood]

I like this thread, it's funny. What you're really saying is "moderators, please moderate."

All you need is a little bit of organisation. Have an update thread. Any questions or modelling errors not relevant to that specific update get deleted and those that posted can put them elsewhere.

If you want, make sure that any questions posed have to be approved before they can viewed.

Simples

Hood

[=PF=Coastie]

This subject is really a double edged sword. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

A forum is a place where people trade thoughts, ideas, concerns and opinions. As long as these posts are not vulgar or blatently break forum rules, they are fine.

It may be a tough pill for some to swallow, but the easiest way is to simply ignore "that guy" that gets under your skin with every post.

Asking a moderator to choose what is a valid concern in a post and what is not is just ridiculously impossible. Ten different moderators could have ten different opinions on what is valid and what is not. Especially when you consider the vast diversity of people on this forum from all over the world.

My 2 cents!

[stu babes]

Definately more intervention. Never mind driving Oleg mad - it drives me mad having to wade through all the drivel.

RedToo.

actually its 85 sqdn

[philip.ed]

Why are you lot still discussing this? Nearmiss has spoken.

[Triggaaar]

The coming update thread will be more severely enforced. No big deal, 1 week bans to members posting off topic - first offense. It will not matter if you have been a member of this board for 3 years and have a good record. OFF TOPIC IS OFF TOPIC, no warnings.I've probably missed it, but can I check how this will be communicated to the forum? I'd suggest that admin start the Update thread, with a post about the new rule, telling no one to reply to the post until Oleg has posted (/made 2 posts).

It would be a shame if the thread is going well, then on the 4th page someone says how great it is that there's been no off topic chat, and they're suddenly banned for a week (because they haven't read this thread).

[Blackdog_kt]

This subject is really a double edged sword. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

A forum is a place where people trade thoughts, ideas, concerns and opinions. As long as these posts are not vulgar or blatently break forum rules, they are fine.

It may be a tough pill for some to swallow, but the easiest way is to simply ignore "that guy" that gets under your skin with every post.

Asking a moderator to choose what is a valid concern in a post and what is not is just ridiculously impossible. Ten different moderators could have ten different opinions on what is valid and what is not. Especially when you consider the vast diversity of people on this forum from all over the world.

My 2 cents!

Some of the best moderated forums i've ever frequented used the "split topic" method, with bans reserved for personal attacks and rude behaviour. Whenever people went off topic in a thread where it was critical to maintain on-topic-ness, a mod would just cut the offending posts or parts of a post and paste them into a new thread made for just that purpose, with an easy to identify name. In our case, this would be "xx-yy-2010 Friday update pruned and off-topic posting".

People can still ramble on about whatever they want if they can't contain themselves, but it's easy for those not interested to just side-step it and focus on the main theme.

In any case, this new rule is only for the update threads. In fact, it was very recently that it was announced the rest of the forum would be open to more off-topic discussions in an effort to keep a healthy exchange going at all times, so it's not like we're being stiffled here. After all, we are the ones asking for a tighter grip on the update threads.

I still wouldn't do it this way (outright bans) but then i'm not the one who has to spend time enforcing the new rules and since we have the rest of the forum open to a wide variety of other subjects, it's all good and fine by me.

However, i totally agree with you that this had to be communicated in a clear fashion. Just how much straying from the screenshot is going to be allowed is something everyone needs to be made aware of before they start reading and posting in the update thread.

For example, if someone posts references to back up their claim that a cockpit gauge needs a correction, is this on topic or not? Or what if someone posts historical references that pertain to tactics and employment of certain weapon systems (for example "this kind of flak gunner emplacement only had one gun of type X and not two")? Same for purely technical matters that pertain to the accuracy of 3d models, etc. Finally, posting the usual praise can pretty repetitive ("thanks for the update","awesome work, keep it up" etc), is this going to be off limits with the thread focusing exclusively on discussing the update's content, or not?

I'm all for imposing some limits on the update threads, it's just that they need to be clearly communicated so people know what to expect.

[Osprey]

Somebody that hasn't got time for moderating shouldn't be a moderator at all. There's nothing worse than a lazy mod who isn't interested in reason and just hits ban because they can. Those types usually have people leave in droves.

"Off with their heads"
http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/alice2.jpg

[SlipBall]

Just remove postings...you say

Deletion of postings should not be required.

Most of the members on this boards are adults.

In tune with the requests on this thread. The coming update thread will be more severely enforced. No big deal, 1 week bans to members posting off topic - first offense. It will not matter if you have been a member of this board for 3 years and have a good record. OFF TOPIC IS OFF TOPIC, no warnings.

The current update thread is locked because of all the OFF TOPIC postings.

Report OFF TOPIC POSTINGS when you see them. Moderators can't read every posting 24/7.

Thanks


nearmiss

I believe that the problem has more to do with the number of posts some people make in the up-date thread. Same people each week, 70, 80, 90. posts (from each of them) in the thread. That's the clutter...I don't think you should ban someone if he strays a bit off topic. Give this a little thought:grin:

[philip.ed]

What if all the posts are relevent? In any sense, such numbers of postings can just be a result of the thread going O/T, and when the thread stays on topic this never happens.

[SlipBall]

What if all the posts are relevent? In any sense, such numbers of postings can just be a result of the thread going O/T, and when the thread stays on topic this never happens.


Yes philip, you are one of those people that I mentioned or was referring to. I believe that you mean well, and do bring a bit to the table. But I must tell you though, that you post so often, that I just skip over your posts.:-P

[philip.ed]

I wasn't refuting that, but then again most of those posts were in response to people arguing against my opinion. My point is that, looking at this weeks topic, I only posted a few times and all my posts were related to the update. The idea was to stay on topic, and because no-one started any arguments it stayed that way.
The past is behind us, now. We should look to the future ;)

[KOM.Nausicaa]

Well, 48 hours after I made this thread the percentage of people expressing their wish for more moderation was already at 74%. That is a large majority, and ever since it has stayed at around 70%. It can't be made any clearer that many people are frustrated with the way most update threads turn. It took another update thread going down the drain for the mods to realize the issue was real and serious for many here. I am happy they take actions now.

Having been moderator and admin on other forums in the past I would recommend first and forall that mods make themselves easier to indentify. There should be something in their avatar or signature. Personally I just know Nearmiss for example. If there is another one I have failed to recognize him/her. That is already a problem.

Second, people should be warned progressively and clearly visible in their own posts with fat red moderator letters if needed. Then, in steps, 3 days "in the box", 1 week, one month, and finally permanent ban. Sentences like "that terrain looks like painted by a child with watercolors" for example is enough for a first 3 days in the box. That is my personal opinion.

Third, I think we need more moderators. This forum is very active and fast paced by times.
No way 1-2 mods can make the job which is needed. I think it needs at least 4, better 5, best in different time zones, so there is a chance there is always someone around.

[BK_JG27_Treiber]

Third, I think we need more moderators. This forum is very active and fast paced by times.
No way 1-2 mods can make the job which is needed. I think it needs at least 4, better 5, best in different time zones, so there is a chance there is always someone around.Therein lies the primary problem, IMO. Good idea. I'd nominate Oleg himself if he had the time.

[major_setback]

I always find it ridiculous that aggravating posters aren't banned for several weeks.
I'm sure that no-one really would care if such a small penalty was dealt out.
Ban me if you disagree!! I really couldn't care any less.

I'll be back in a few weeks if I feel like it.

Really; just put a lock on anyone who is getting away from the topic.

Please!

[Rodolphe]

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Second, people should be warned progressively and clearly visible in their own posts with fat red moderator letters if needed. Then, in steps, 3 days "in the box", 1 week, one month, and finally permanent ban. Sentences like "that terrain looks like painted by a child with watercolors" for example is enough for a first 3 days in the box. That is my personal opinion.



KOM.Nausicaa, I really like to know what's your personal opinion and your proposal ban for the following typical rude, insulting The Community and most racist posting I've ever seen on a simulation forum.


Well, I read all that, but I rest my case. It really bla bla, without interest, like "I'm the arrogant French and German is an asshole anyway."

Fuc*k you ... frenchie!

That's it for me - I found this forum really extremely unpleasant arrogant. Very French (so to speak.)

Hello guys bye bye.



http://www.checksix-forums.com/showpost.php?p=1051293&postcount=980


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[fireflyerz]

lol

[McHilt]

OT posts are annoying, but one has to be realistic. Everybody posts a couple of OT lines every now and then, like a joke or sth else irrelevant to the actual subject. I have no prob with that at all. Personally I hate all the whining and wishlists, but I also hate posts that could make up a short novel and take 20 mins to plow through, even if they're on topic they're annoying just as well in my humble opinion.

I'd say: stick to the subject, crack an OT joke every now and then, keep it short and simple, stop whining and wishing and enjoy what's given by the great Oleg and team, even if you don't like it...

and yes, real spam = ban

[McHilt]

If I did dream of stopping any posts, it would be all of the above without exception.

I actually voted the current moderation right, because I think it is, and I wouldn't want to see anything changed.

The elimination of the "this bit might be a bit wrong, perhaps?" posts to concentrate on the butt-kissing ones would entirely remove the point of the update threads for me.

Ok, the only input I always give here is my appreciation, which is considered just as tedious by some members. Maybe we have to shut up completely unless you're a highly intellectual insider with extremely valuable knowledge on the subject who has sth important and interesting to say, is that what you want to point out?. It would be an elitist place, reserved for the ones who are 'in the know' (whatever that means)... now, what is that???

[HFC_Dolphin]

It would be fantastic if we could all make only useful and to the point discussions!

There could always be "Off" topics if some people wanted to have some fun or discuss BS, but this discussion would not interfere with update threads where we look for usefull stuff.

[HFC_Dolphin]

lolol right after I posted this I went to see today's update thread and it's full of useless posts lolol

PS. I have no problem with these posts or the people who posted them. I'm just saying that they're useless.

[kristorf]

Answers relevant to the topic are fine, but as on several other sites the update thread usually degenerates into a slagging match between a few (usual) posters who appear to use the forum as a personal zone.

[Igo kyu]

Ok, the only input I always give here is my appreciation, which is considered just as tedious by some members. Maybe we have to shut up completely unless you're a highly intellectual insider with extremely valuable knowledge on the subject who has sth important and interesting to say, is that what you want to point out?. It would be an elitist place, reserved for the ones who are 'in the know' (whatever that means)... now, what is that???
Nobody knows everything. Everybody knows something. If somebody knows something relevant, they should tell us about it (but not if they know everybody else knows it too).

I take the view that Mr Maddox shows us details because he is kind, and because we might spot something that can be improved.

It might be, that of the thousands viewing an image, only one will spot some detail, so it is the duty of the first to spot something to speak up. There is very little point to being the second to mention a detail that might be questionable.

Mostly, we don't know how easy or not it would be to fix a point of detail, it might be a couple of characters in the code, it might be a million lines of code, with code unless you know the particular code intimately, there's often no telling.

So, we can point to possible changes, but we have to accept that the final decision on whether a change can be made is not ours.

[Bearcat]

I think that the moderation level in this forum is about right. There are only 2 or 3 member's who are abusing the system, and spaming the up-date thread with junk each week...we should turn the table on them, by spaming their PM folder with request to cease and desist.:-P

I think the overall moderation here is good.. but in some of these update threads I see stuff that just shouldn't be there... When Oleg points out in the first thread that he is aware of a bug or that the shots are pre beta or taken at a lower res etc.. and then we get googobs of posts pointing out the bug or the quality of the shots .. that Oleg mentioned in his initial post.. to me tat is a waste of space.. Some people just look to find flaws and point them out.. and while I am sure that 1C is appreciative of things pointed out by users that they may miss... all this is unfinished.. so I find it kind of annoying at times that folks just can't appreciate the update for it's own sake.. and wait until the sim is at least nearer to completion or even released in a demo before the critics come out of the woodwork.

[heywooood]

I think the overall moderation here is good.. but in some of these update threads I see stuff that just shouldn't be there... When Oleg points out in the first thread that he is aware of a bug or that the shots are pre beta or taken at a lower res etc.. and then we get googobs of posts pointing out the bug or the quality of the shots .. that Oleg mentioned in his initial post.. to me tat is a waste of space.. Some people just look to find flaws and point them out.. and while I am sure that 1C is appreciative of things pointed out by users that they may miss... all this is unfinished.. so I find it kind of annoying at times that folks just can't appreciate the update for it's own sake.. and wait until the sim is at least nearer to completion or even released in a demo before the critics come out of the woodwork.

I would go one step further and say that some posters seem to feel obliged to identify perceived flaws in development shots not so much out of contempt for the sim but rather as if there is some special merit or reward system in place for finding Waldo - or worse - to attempt to demonstrate their own powers of observation or 'expertise' in a given aspect of whatever the screenshot depicts: be it the shape of a spinner or cowling, or the instrumentation of a cockpit, or the species of grass in a region etc...

I think we need to ask ourselves in these situations - how important is it to be right vs noticed??

[KOM.Nausicaa]

...KOM.Nausicaa, I really like to know what's your personal opinion and your proposal ban for the following typical rude, insulting The Community and most racist posting I've ever seen on a simulation forum.

Hi, I would like to answer your post in several parts.

First, I would like to say that it is not particularly fairplay to bring a post from a past conversation and from another forum (and a completely different subject) over to here, by quoting only the worst statement. It is clear that there is a reason and conversation history why it came to that post in anger. I do not think, however, that you are interested in analyzing the mechanics of this incident, why it came to the anger and what the individual guilt of the participants (my guilt included) was in that thread.
What you are trying to do is usually called "discrediting", or sometimes "slander":
"the expression discrediting tactics (...) refers to personal attacks (...) intended to discourage people from believing in the figure or supporting their cause
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrediting_tactic

Furthermore, you only link to my post (but not the conversation history), while making yourself a even more defavorable translation from french to english of the post. That is called "libel" in english:

(Libel) "a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/libel


Second, you ask the question what a moderator should do with a post like mine on "Checksix". The answer is: a mod is free to warn or ban my account there if he wants to. The particular post you quoted was angry and impolite -- I agree. He would be right doing it in the time and I would support it then and now -- and I have already done myself in a way, because I have not posted a single post on this forum anymore since this conversation 5 months ago. I am self-banned so to speak -- because I have no interest whatsoever left in "Checksix", simply because of the treatment I got on checksix that made me angry in such a way. That leads me to the last point:

You accuse me of racism towards french. I want to make this short, because I really have no interest at all in bringing a fight from another forum 5 months ago to this place and this thread. It is of no concern to you that I speak french fluently since over 20 years, work in France and have a french wife, but I'll say it anyway, because it's an amusing detail.
I thought Checksix was a particular unwelcoming and unpleasant place to a new (foreigner) person like me, tainted by a certain faction that represents a arrogant, rude, excluding and elitist french attitude -- at least in my opinion. That would become much clearer for outsiders if you would translate the whole conversation. But you are completely free to disagree with my view and it may very well be that other people have other experiences. But that was mine, and I said it in an angry way back then and say it now again in a calm way: I haven't changed my opinion about that typical french elitism and rudeness towards foreigners as it exists seemingly on checksix (among a certain faction) one bit. One disclaimer I want to make though: I am totally convinced there are many fine people at Checksix. When the whole unfortunate fighting happened I got 2 pm's by the way supporting me.....both by french members. That is another funny detail.

To end this I would think it being polite to other people here and the subject of this thread to end the conversation about the incident on checksix. What you have done is an unfair attempt at discrediting me with an incident quoted out of context and a shaky "translation", and I have no further desire talking to you. If you still want to clear things up with me, please do so via PM or openly on Checksix if you absolutely feel the urge for public viewing. To be fair to you I'll check Checksix over the week-end to see if you have opened a thread there.

Thanks,

N.

[Igo kyu]

I think the overall moderation here is good.. but in some of these update threads I see stuff that just shouldn't be there... When Oleg points out in the first thread that he is aware of a bug or that the shots are pre beta or taken at a lower res etc.. and then we get googobs of posts pointing out the bug or the quality of the shots .. that Oleg mentioned in his initial post.. to me tat is a waste of space.
Agreed.

all this is unfinished.. so I find it kind of annoying at times that folks just can't appreciate the update for it's own sake.. and wait until the sim is at least nearer to completion or even released in a demo before the critics come out of the woodwork.
I disagree with that, because early on it is easier to make changes than it is later.

I would go one step further and say that some posters seem to feel obliged to identify perceived flaws in development shots not so much out of contempt for the sim but rather as if there is some special merit or reward system in place for finding Waldo - or worse - to attempt to demonstrate their own powers of observation or 'expertise' in a given aspect of whatever the screenshot depicts: be it the shape of a spinner or cowling, or the instrumentation of a cockpit, or the species of grass in a region etc.
This is about whether SoW should be a simulator or a game, and is asking for a game, in my reading of it. If history matters, and in a sim history matters, then details matter, and it's right to bring them up. Those who only want a game, and want it NOW may find this frustrating, but I would guess we are mostly simmers here.

[Rodolphe]

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While a person may be insulted, and his political position subjected to question, the person so impugned has not been discredited until the allegations against him have been proved correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrediting_tactic

I said it in an angry way back then and say it now again in a calm way : I haven't changed my opinion about that typical french elitism and rudeness towards foreigners [/U] as it exists seemingly on checksix (among a certain faction) one bit.
N.



Thanks Nausicaa, I've really appreciated your 'well-rounded' answer. ;)


and I have no further desire talking to you

We agree on that ! :grin:


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[winny]

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most racist posting I've ever seen on a simulation forum.

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Wow, you've not been looking very hard then...

Anyway I don't think it's racism, not by a long shot.

It's a european nations thing, I actually think we're probably allowed the odd 'Frenchie' or 'German asshole' they are pretty tame. There's always been a bit of inter-nation rivalry in europe (this is a massive undersatement, we've been killing each other for centuries!) and I much perfer the odd slanging match on a forum to the old way of doing things....


Anyway, remember...

Racism is born of ignorance.
Xenophobia is born of experience... ;)

[KOM.Nausicaa]

Rodolphe just quoted the tiny bit in my answer that suited him. That was expected, and he is now on my ignore list, as I don't expect anything more constructive. He had his chance. If he wants to debate he can do it by the channels I have offered him. Anyway, I am all for coming back to the subject of this thread.

[ATAG_Dutch]

It might be my imagination, but isn't this week's update thread very very quiet?

There're still a few off topic posts, but the whole discussion seems, well, flat.

Plus, the on-topic posts mostly seem to have got the wrong end of the stick re the first two screenshots, and the 'bug' Mr Maddox mentioned.

Interesting.

P.S. I count two bans by nearmiss so far! :)

[SlipBall]

It might be my imagination, but isn't this week's update thread very very quiet?

There're still a few off topic posts, but the whole discussion seems, well, flat.

Plus, the on-topic posts mostly seem to have got the wrong end of the stick re the first two screenshots, and the 'bug' Mr Maddox mentioned.

Interesting.



P.S. I count two bans by nearmiss so far! :)


Yes interesting, although I do miss hearing their initial view's on the up-date. I think Oleg announcing his tiredness, also affected the enthusiasm of the thread.:grin:

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

It might be my imagination, but isn't this week's update thread very very quiet?

There're still a few off topic posts, but the whole discussion seems, well, flat.

Plus, the on-topic posts mostly seem to have got the wrong end of the stick re the first two screenshots, and the 'bug' Mr Maddox mentioned.

Interesting.

P.S. I count two bans by nearmiss so far! :)

Yeah its quiet, bad atmosphere and a 'climate of fear' lol. :grin: I can only speak for myself Dutch mate but I was not banned (obviously lol) but my post was just 'annotated' ; ironically, the part removed was a direct question to the mods as to whether what I was typing about FFB pertaining to my question to Oleg was "off topic" or not, and asking for clarification in a polite manner.

I copied and pasted exactly what was wrote to a text doc prior to this, so if anyone wants to see it, feel free to PM me. Too risky to do it any other way.

I think it might have served the 'cause' better if it was left in, then people could see that asking for clarification on OT was unacceptable....but that's just my opinion, and fair dinkum. :)

Technically I suppose it was OT, but I just made the point there is limited scope for discussion of these pictures, and I was responding to a fellow forum members statement about FFB....asking if it was ok.

There is most definitely a need to cut down on OT, and I wholeheartedly agree. There is also such a thing as disproportionate 'overkill' IMO, though I'm not even sure if we are allowed to have opinions any more.

End of day, it matters not. People will just start leaving this forum en masse and there will be no need for ban hammers anyway, they'll just go somewhere else. :)
'What wud yew dew?" Freedom isn't free. :grin:

Cya (in the event of an unscheduled 'Holiday'. :grin:). The truth has many Martyrs. :grin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQZBVTp_-9Y

[KOM.Nausicaa]

When a policy is changed it often happens that it is applied a little bit too harshly in the beginning. Those who have to enforce it want to make it very clear to everyone that the rules are different now, and they also have to test the ground beneath their feet a bit for themselves. Over time they will find the balance.
Overall though it feels much better now to read the official update thread. I am sure Oleg has a better time too reading (and finding) questions and valuable feedback, IMO, instead if wading through fighting and bickering.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Yeah its quiet, bad atmosphere and a 'climate of fear' lol. :grin: I can only speak for myself Dutch mate but I was not banned (obviously lol) but my post was just 'annotated' ; ironically, the part removed was a direct question to the mods as to whether what I was typing about FFB pertaining to my question to Oleg was "off topic" or not, and asking for clarification in a polite manner.

Yeah, I noticed all that Orv. 'Climate of fear' just about sums it up.

In the poll, I voted for 'leave things as they are'.

Whilst it's easier to read stuff relevant to the update, we still have to wade through the short 'praise' posts.

And surprisingly, I'm actually missing the arguments and banter. It could be entertaining at times!:rolleyes::grin:

[philip.ed]

Personally I don't miss the arguments, I find the topic much nicer to browse through ATM ;)
I'd post there, but there's nothing to add; the game looks beautiful. I think I've really taken posts in this thread on board ;) lol

[Osprey]

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KOM.Nausicaa, I really like to know what's your personal opinion and your proposal ban for the following typical rude, insulting The Community and most racist posting I've ever seen on a simulation forum.






http://www.checksix-forums.com/showpost.php?p=1051293&postcount=980


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Brilliant lol. Lifetime ban with a custodial sentence I think.

Too many e-nazi's about on forums as it is, all that is needed is common sense, not hypocritical control freaks.

[LukeFF]

Overall though it feels much better now to read the official update thread. I am sure Oleg has a better time too reading (and finding) questions and valuable feedback, IMO, instead if wading through fighting and bickering.

Exactly. Now there's hardly any "noise" to get through. Just as it should be.

[baronWastelan]

Don't take the baron serious he's older than dirt and twice as ugly.

Yer doin a heckuva job missy!

[Triggaaar]

Exactly. Now there's hardly any "noise" to get through. Just as it should be.Yep. Like an alcoholic banned from the offie, I've been saved from myself :)

[philip.ed]

Seems the O/T (as in off-update) posts have started again....

[Triggaaar]

So just click report on the posts that you think are too OT.

[philip.ed]

I have been doing so, but it's a bit pathetic really. I'd rather just see the conversations move to a new topic ;)

[SlipBall]

I have been doing so, but it's a bit pathetic really. I'd rather just see the conversations move to a new topic ;)


If you rated me out, I will find you up there one of these days.:-P

[philip.ed]

If you rated me out, I will find you up there one of these days.:-P

I didn't, I thought you made a good effort to put the thread right :-P so hopefully you'll find me up there to join you as your wingman mate :cool:

[SlipBall]

I didn't, I thought you made a good effort to put the thread right :-P so hopefully you'll find me up there to join you as your wingman mate :cool:


With all due respect, it would be an honor, as your wingman:grin:

[ATAG_Dutch]

With all due respect, it would be an honor, as your wingman:grin:

Bluuurgh...........!

Sounds like the end of 'Top Gun'.

'Naw, you can be mine!'

Bluuuuurgh.....!:grin:

[Triggaaar]

Bluuurgh...........!

Sounds like the end of 'Top Gun'.

'Naw, you can be mine!'

Bluuuuurgh.....!:grin:+1

[SlipBall]

You don't think I meant it, do ya:grin:

[philip.ed]

:(

[SlipBall]

You don't think I meant it, do ya:grin:



Of course I meant it...dam split personality of mine!:-P

[philip.ed]

The damage is done.
http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/Derail_1.jpg

[BK_JG27_Treiber]

I agree that this topic needs to end, I think it's gone on long enough. I also think that stronger moderation is required for the forum as a whole.

[KOM.Nausicaa]

Or are the moderators? We must close this post useless as soon as possible for the good of this forum and kick people disturbing the smooth functioning of this forum, starting with Nausicaa.

:evil:

Excuse me ?

[BP_Tailspin]

it really sucks trying to find the updates in the 40 pages of comments.

The update is normally the first post within the thread LOL

I think its fun reading through 40 pages of comments; I’ll bet that Oleg looks at it as “feed back” from his loyal IL2 fans.

Some people read more than they post and some people post more than they read ... it's all good.

[Rodolphe]

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Is that the typical behavior of a worried aggressive polar bear standing on a ever melting iceberg ?


I don't really need a reply here. [; ))



Dismissed !

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[heywooood]

I find it un-ironic - that this thread has deteriorated into off topic flibble flabble and name calling etc....

seems appropriate actually - more severe moderation or less moderate moderation?


evbudy got ta lighten up sha

[nearmiss]

Don't knock this thread...

The last update from Oleg has been great. The number off topic postings is practically nil. 1 post deleted and no banned users.

The update thread is still On topic and discussions are sensible

So... I favor keeping this thread sticky and alive

[Bearcat]

Don't knock this thread...

The last update from Oleg has been great. The number off topic postings is practically nil. 1 post deleted and no banned users.

The update thread is still On topic and discussions are sensible

So... I favor keeping this thread sticky and alive

I agree with you.........

[WTE_Galway]

Don't knock this thread...

The last update from Oleg has been great. The number off topic postings is practically nil. 1 post deleted and no banned users.

The update thread is still On topic and discussions are sensible

So... I favor keeping this thread sticky and alive

Well the update is mainly of interest to mission builders and so forth with pictures of the game interface.

It is possible just one photo of a Spitfire near some trees with a cow in the background would have spawned 20 pages of nonsense about how "real cows" looked in the summer of 1940 :D

Lets see what happens this week :D

[LukeFF]

I see we're back to the ol' off-topic postings in the 3 December update thread.

[philip.ed]

I see we're back to the ol' off-topic postings in the 3 December update thread.

At least it's come after the recent update, but I do agree ;) there hasn't been any real arguments or flame wars, so is it safe to say there's improvement?

[LukeFF]

At least it's come after the recent update, but I do agree ;) there hasn't been any real arguments or flame wars, so is it safe to say there's improvement?

Yes, but it's still annoying to see people drop right back into their old habits, like nothing ever changed.

My "report post" button was busy last night. ;)

[House M.D.]

Nothing has changed in update threads.
Still silly and meaningless posts that make me bored to death.
And these boring posts are worse than flame posts, at least to me.

Why can't people post only when they have something specific, that adds to the update thread, to say?
Do they think that we care if they "like it, it is fantastic!", or they "hate it, it is absolutely awful"?
We just don't care and don't want these spam posts in update threads...

[philip.ed]

I know...
I've thought the recent updates have been awesome, but (fortunately) by posting of late has been limited, because I have nothing to add to the updates, other than 'great!'.
I mean with the most recent update, my only knit-pick is why there may be long grass on an airfield and seemingly on a runway, but this would detract from the updates focus, wouldn't it? If anyone has an answer, I wouldn't mind a PM ;)
Have a nice weekend, all :cool:

[KG26_Alpha]

I know...
I've thought the recent updates have been awesome, but (fortunately) by posting of late has been limited, because I have nothing to add to the updates, other than 'great!'.
I mean with the most recent update, my only knit-pick is why there may be long grass on an airfield and seemingly on a runway, but this would detract from the updates focus, wouldn't it? If anyone has an answer, I wouldn't mind a PM ;)
Have a nice weekend, all :cool:

Zoom view

[philip.ed]

Really? Shorter grass can be seen though, but I can see a lot of sense in what you say.
Thankyou, and sorry to go off topic.

[Porco Rosso]

:) What we need is an easy to access,easy to understand question and answer ONLY thread where no other replies are allowed to be posted,a read only thread,locked .
Any questions that need to be added could be added in another thread and once again NO DISCUSSION just the question and as it is answered it gets moved into the other thread described above.


A question for Oleg and team to answer needs no discussion as we can't answer them anyway.
Failing that we carry on as it is ,first 10 pages or so Oleg chips in but then it degenerates into personality v personality slanging match.
I personally think the moderators should be alot stricter and cull the threads HARD and ruthlessly.

+1

[Triggaaar]

Yes, but it's still annoying to see people drop right back into their old habits, like nothing ever changed.

Nothing has changed in update threads.The biggest change I've noticed is that I haven't joined in with the OT chat :)

Hopefully those Luke has reported will get banned - incidentally, I'd prefer it to be 10 days, so they can't then spoil the next weeks thread.

[heywooood]

oh lets just make it a lifetime ban...otherwise half of them will ruin every other update, and the other half will ruin the rest of them.

such is the world of ruin we live in *sob*

[House M.D.]

So, after seeing the second update thread in row being spammed to death, is it officialy decided that we can write whatever we want in these threads?

[nearmiss]

So, after seeing the second update thread in row being spammed to death, is it officialy decided that we can write whatever we want in these threads?

Not so...

It takes more time than most off topic posters deserve to delete their junk.

Mods don't always have time to spend on it.

7 day bans just make people mad, and resentful.

Too bad... we can't have "moderator for the day" and let all the cranks have a go at it for a day and see how they like it.

The posting I'm responding to doesn't help matters.