SoW: Battle for Moscow and other Igromir news

[Oleg Maddox]

Yes, the way Oleg said ('from the creators of award-winning Il-2 sturmovik series') is the best I think.

So, what about tesselation in general and maybe for the use in the bomb crater stuff?

Current stage of tesselation methods may damage the precise models of technics, say aircraft. Maybe in future when it will very selectable. Maybe I'm wrong here. However what I was searching in the past doesn't give at the moment advantage in a precise modeling of aircraft, instead may do bad things making the bubble where should be only flat.
This is good for the game where the main hero is a human models.
However my opinion may be changed in future with coming new versions.

[swiss]

Completely agree with you. I was against such name, but it isn't my decision....
I already had a problem answering interview questions of journalists... I didn't understand them about what is speech... or the new in this area journalists simply was asking some time absolutely not in theme questions due to this mix.
So I personally say Battle of Britain... without Il-2 and other things...
In English it has a bit other name, but anyway with Il-2 as the main.....
Do not use already world well known Storm of War as a name of new series and just adding the line
'from the creators of award-winning Il-2 sturmovik series' would be way better really. If someone dislike SoW sounding not so nice then simply better to make other name... Hope publisher will read it. Anyway I may disagree with the name Il-2 for the completely new series, but final decision - from publisher.


I will try to speak to big guys that to find solution....


The pubisher is imho right to keep IL2 in the name, as "IL2" is widely known as quality product.
(Compare BF or CoH series, they sell their products the same way, very successfully)

BUT:
It will get confusing when you launch more add-ons.
How can the customer tell the difference between IL2-PF, IL2-Manchuria, and Il2-BoB, IL2-BoP, IL2-whatever - it's already very confusing.

I think you need a new brand, something like:

IL2 "evolution"
-> BoB
->BfM
->Korea

...would imho make sense.
"evo" is just a placeholder, the marketing guys should figure out what fits best - can be everything but "sturmovik", lol

[Oleg Maddox]

The pubisher is imho right to keep IL2 in the name, as "IL2" is widely known as quality product.
(Compare BF or CoH series, they sell their products the same way, very successfully)

BUT:
It will get confusing when you launch more add-ons.
How can the customer tell the difference between IL2-PF, IL2-Manchuria, and Il2-BoB, IL2-BoP, IL2-whatever - it's already very confusing.



...would imho make sense.
"evo" is just a placeholder, the marketing guys should figure out what fits best - can be everything but "sturmovik", lol

Its what I told above... I already got confusions at the show with many people... and was need to explain non compatibility and that it is completely new series

[swiss]

Storm of war sounds fresh, modern, and cool.

And doesn't sound like an combat flight sim at all - that's the problem.
(and in fact, I don't agree with the other associations either, but that's just me)

[Hecke]

Current stage of tesselation methods may damage the precise models of technics, say aircraft. Maybe in future when it will very selectable. Maybe I'm wrong here. However what I was searching in the past doesn't give at the moment advantage in a precise modeling of aircraft, instead may do bad things making the bubble where should be only flat.
This is good for the game where the main hero is a human models.
However my opinion may be changed in future with coming new versions.


I more thought of using it for ground objects, for example, what somebody else mentioned, the railway ballast, maybe buildings and stuff like that.
It's a bit "bad" that the graphics cards donate more and more shader capacity for tesselation purposes but we don't have an advantage with it.

[Spudkopf]

Maybe go with a Sturmovik series in stead, shows a link to the original product but is different enough a title to avoid some confusion?

[Richie]

A lot of people have good points about this title subject and also how many sims out there are named..Battle Of Britain?

The Few
A piece Of Cake
The Brill Cream Boys
The Cat's Wiskers
Eagle Day
Adler Tag

[swiss]

A lot of people have good points about this title subject and also how many sims out there are named..Battle Of Britain?

And with future add-ons you get:

Battle of Britain
- Korea -

uhh..

[Richie]

I edited :)

[Hecke]

are we talking about the russian version or the european?

[Oleg Maddox]

And with future add-ons you get:

Battle of Britain
- Korea -

uhh..

For russians the same : Il-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Britain....

[Richie]

IL-2 Sturmovik: The Battle Of Britain


EAGLE DAY

North American version

[Hecke]

Thousands of people on this forum are waiting for "Storm of War"
And with normal advertising by the publisher, the rest, that doesn't know of it will recognize.
And Storm of War is perfect for future, when there's not only the flight sim part.

[Splitter]

Thousands of people on this forum are waiting for "Storm of War"
And with normal advertising by the publisher, the rest, that doesn't know of it will recognize.
And Storm of War is perfect for future, when there's not only the flight sim part.

Gotta agree. Just put the "From the Creators of IL-2" in there. Leaves a lot of room for expansion.

Splitter

[philip.ed]

Gotta agree. Just put the "From the Creators of IL-2" in there. Leaves a lot of room for expansion.

Splitter


+1

[JVM]

Current stage of tesselation methods may damage the precise models of technics, say aircraft. Maybe in future when it will very selectable. Maybe I'm wrong here. However what I was searching in the past doesn't give at the moment advantage in a precise modeling of aircraft, instead may do bad things making the bubble where should be only flat.
This is good for the game where the main hero is a human models.
However my opinion may be changed in future with coming new versions.

Hello Oleg!

It is always a great pleasure to have you here answering an unending flow of questions!
As for tesselation I understand your position, and frankly I also do not see much interest in tesselation for airplane modeling.
On the other hand, some ground (and objects) details could perhaps take advantage of it even at the stage it is now: I was thinking about objects like steam locos which are polygon-intensive, and improvement in rail track ballast and sleepers, mainly...

JVM

[Dano]

Hello Oleg!

It is always a great pleasure to have you here answering an unending flow of questions!
As for tesselation I understand your position, and frankly I also do not see much interest in tesselation for airplane modeling.
On the other hand, some ground (and objects) details could perhaps take advantage of it even at the stage it is now: I was thinking about objects like steam locos which are polygon-intensive, and improvement in rail track ballast and sleepers, mainly...

JVM

Is it possible to turn tesselation on for specific objects or is it currently everything or nothing?

[Richie]

The only people who won't know what you're talking about are the people who work in the video game store. "IL-2 Surmo wha???" For years and years I've gotten the same answer. :( The only one who was good was a fantastic girl named Jeniffer Osborne in Kelowna BC Canada where I live. She wanted to know everything about it so she could tell the customers about it. She would steer everyone away from CFS3 and get them on old 2001 IL-2

[mazex]

Quite frankly the publisher can call it "Pigs from space" if they like to, as long as I get my BoB simulator :) The only important thing about the name, box cover, marketing bs etc is that 500.000 customers or so should buy the game so that we get our expansions and Oleg gets his well deserved reward for standing steadfast on the hardcore air combat simulator barricade... If the publisher that supposedly are experts on marketing of game titles decides on some title I hope they have more insight into the 500.000 possible buyers preferences than me. I know I'm not in the middle of that group - and no one else are. Face it guys -we are the geeks that will buy it anyway ;) The median future buyer (who may like "Spitfire vs Messerschmitt" or some other silly title) does not care diddley about the spelling of sub-texts on german engine temp meters or the mix of .50 cal ammo belts etc that we spend page after page discussing here...

[Richie]

You're right partly in my opinion. The first IL-2 had the problem in North America of being held in Russia. I've asked quite a few people around here about WWII and how much fighting went on in Russia and many of them don't have the foggiest idea. The first 2001 IL-2 had one of the best box arts I've ever seen.

http://pwned.com/gamecovers/pc/165be929418e857fd0bd80c171c62130-IL_2_Sturmovik_.jpg

[MD_Titus]

Cool vid though I really wish they would get the right markings for the aircraft. Hurricanes with crosses and 109's with roundels just ain't where it's at. :-|
one thing i noticed was the raf tail bar also appeared to be part of the roundels layer, as seen on the hammerheading italian plane.

[BadAim]

I suppose if Oleg had any Idea what was going to happen to his "baby", he might have found a more generic name for it. It is, however, what it is and I too will buy it no matter what the hell they call it.

[Richie]

I'll pay $300 for the damn thing if I have to. :)

[Oleg Maddox]

one thing i noticed was the raf tail bar also appeared to be part of the roundels layer, as seen on the hammerheading italian plane.

Like in Il-2 you may select aircraft and select the country (markings).
It is in quick mission builder one of the features as well as online feature.
For Example in Il-2 online I was flying on a "captured" Bf109G or K with red stars.
Users at exhibition simply tried all accessible options.

In campaign mode you can't change the markings.

Where is a problem?

[ElAurens]

I sure hope that one day I can fly the Avro Anson 1. It was one of the very first model aircraft I built by myself as a very young boy. I still have it somewhere. It's well over 40 years old now.

I can't explain why I like it, but I do.

I guess it's the same reason I like the Lockheed Hudson/Ventura series aircraft. Lesser known planes that still did a good job.

The new sim is looking wonderful Oleg.

I look forward to another 9 years of enjoyment from your work.

Thanks.

[swiss]

And Storm of War is perfect for future, when there's not only the flight sim part.



Now I totally agree.

But in this case we don't we're left without a name for the flight sim.

SoW: Battle of Britain doesn't work as you take SoW as an umbrella for everything, like future Tanks sims.

SoW
-> ?(flight sim division)
---> BOB
---> BfM

-> ? (tank sim div.)
--->...

PS: I really don't see a reason to sell the same product with different names on different continents, that's pathetic.
What do they call McDonalds in Russia, or Red Bull?
Right.

[Flying_Nutcase]

I hope the publisher wakes up to the fact that "IL-2: Battle of Britain" makes no sense to the average game consumer and is just confusing for anyone familiar with IL2.

Storm of War is a perfect name for the new series, one that will be more than 'just' a flight sim. The new sim is guaranteed mass game-press and viral coverage from the ground-breaking quality it will bring. No need to try to piggy-back off IL-2's success other than "From the creators of...".

Good luck bringing them around to your (sensible) way of thinking Oleg.

[major_setback]

I hope the publisher wakes up to the fact that "IL-2: Battle of Britain" makes no sense to the average game consumer and is just confusing for anyone familiar with IL2.



+1

Also, in Russia 'IL2' probably means something to most people (just as 'Spitfire' means a lot in Britain), but for the average consumer in 'the West' 'IL2' means nothing.

Just call it 'FLY' :-)

[Romanator21]

I agree, a lot of people will be saying, "so when's IL-3 going to be released?" and "Is IL-1 any good?" (People have asked me that very question). :grin:

I believe Major_Setback proposed the title Oleg Maddox Flying Games, or OMFG. ;)

-= OMFG =-
Battle of Britain


:grin:

[Splitter]

You're right partly in my opinion. The first IL-2 had the problem in North America of being held in Russia. I've asked quite a few people around here about WWII and how much fighting went on in Russia and many of them don't have the foggiest idea. The first 2001 IL-2 had one of the best box arts I've ever seen.

http://pwned.com/gamecovers/pc/165be929418e857fd0bd80c171c62130-IL_2_Sturmovik_.jpg

While I probably knew more than the Average American about what went on in Russia during the war, I had no desire to buy a sim about a Russian ground attack plane.

I wanted air to air combat. I wanted to be able to fly American, British, and German fighters. After looking at the original way back when, I didn't pay much attention to the series after that (though I did buy and play Pacific Fighters without knowing there was any connection to IL-2).

Names are important. IL-2 had me fooled into thinking it was only about air to ground. I was ignorant of later add ons that would have made the game a must have for me.

Americans will like a great sim about the Battle of Britain but they would LOVE an add on centered around the invasion of Europe and the bombing campaign against Germany. Hopefully that somehow gets done by someone in the future.

So hopefully they get the name right. Since IL-2 was so popular, that needs to be in there somewhere but not "up front". The name also has to be generalized to cover other theaters and other types of games.

Splitter

[Richie]

While I probably knew more than the Average American about what went on in Russia during the war, I had no desire to buy a sim about a Russian ground attack plane.

I wanted air to air combat. I wanted to be able to fly American, British, and German fighters. After looking at the original way back when, I didn't pay much attention to the series after that (though I did buy and play Pacific Fighters without knowing there was any connection to IL-2).

Names are important. IL-2 had me fooled into thinking it was only about air to ground. I was ignorant of later add ons that would have made the game a must have for me.

Americans will like a great sim about the Battle of Britain but they would LOVE an add on centered around the invasion of Europe and the bombing campaign against Germany. Hopefully that somehow gets done by someone in the future.

So hopefully they get the name right. Since IL-2 was so popular, that needs to be in there somewhere but not "up front". The name also has to be generalized to cover other theaters and other types of games.

Splitter

You are a great example of what I was talking about. If you would have purchased that copy of IL-2 in 2001 you would have seen how superior it was by leaps and bounds compared to anything else that was around back then...2001 But youre wrong IL-2 isn't a popular sim because people still don't know the title or have tried it. When is the last time you've seen a copy in London Drugs Wallmart Future Shop etc. CFS3 probably out sells it 100 to 1 witch is a terrible shame.

[WTE_Galway]

While I probably knew more than the Average American about what went on in Russia during the war, I had no desire to buy a sim about a Russian ground attack plane.

I wanted air to air combat. I wanted to be able to fly American, British, and German fighters. After looking at the original way back when, I didn't pay much attention to the series after that (though I did buy and play Pacific Fighters without knowing there was any connection to IL-2).

Names are important. IL-2 had me fooled into thinking it was only about air to ground. I was ignorant of later add ons that would have made the game a must have for me.

Americans will like a great sim about the Battle of Britain but they would LOVE an add on centered around the invasion of Europe and the bombing campaign against Germany. Hopefully that somehow gets done by someone in the future.

So hopefully they get the name right. Since IL-2 was so popular, that needs to be in there somewhere but not "up front". The name also has to be generalized to cover other theaters and other types of games.

Splitter


Its worth pointing out that after the NG debacle quite a few versions of the game where not even marketed in the US at all.

Imagine how many "0.50 cal is porked" and "the mustang won the war" threads we would have had if the game was actually promoted in the US. Scary thought. I am still waiting for the 0.50 cal mod that lets you kill Tiger tanks by bouncing the shells off the ground :D

Also, whilst clearly a cash cow, targeting the US casual "shoot 'em up" gamer market may not necessarily be good thing long term for a game. It's quite likely the longevity of the game is partly due to the fact it was not just another "mighty 8th/Pearl/BoB " arcade game with even fancier graphics ... and the name IL2 has made that distinction pretty clear.

[Richie]

Imagine these graphics 9 years ago. These are screens from 2001 IL-2

[major_setback]

Here's your DVD cover Oleg. It's one I did earlier...a few years ago actually, at the same time as the Pe-2 add-on came out. (I don't seriously think you will accept it BTW :-))

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/FB061020a17b101024high.jpg


..

[Richie]

Nice..simple and to the point.

[Richie]

Did you see the poster of the pilot Major?

[major_setback]

Did you see the poster of the pilot Major?

Oh yes. Much better than anything I could ever do.

[Richie]

LOL I didn't mean that I just meant that I wonder if that's going to be the box art also.

[Bearcat]

Completely agree with you. I was against such name, but it isn't my decision....
I already had a problem answering interview questions of journalists... I didn't understand them about what is speech... or the new in this area journalists simply was asking some time absolutely not in theme questions due to this mix.
So I personally say Battle of Britain... without Il-2 and other things...
In English it has a bit other name, but anyway with Il-2 as the main.....
Using already world well known Storm of War as a name of new series and just adding the line
'from the creators of award-winning Il-2 sturmovik series' would be way better really. If someone dislike short SoW sounding not so nice then simply better to make other name... Hope publisher will read it. Anyway I may disagree with the name Il-2 for the completely new series, but final decision - from publisher.

I will try to speak to big guys that to find solution....

I agree



I think IL-2 should be in the name somewhere.

I don't.. I think that they should move on from the IL2 franchise and start anew with Storm of War.. and like Oleg said... just add "from the creators of award-winning Il-2 sturmovik series" .... IMO that would be much better marketing, especially since UBIsoft will not be the publisher of the SoW series.. (Unless I am mistaken..)



And with future add-ons you get:
Battle of Britain
- Korea -
uhh..

No.. you get

Storm of War : Battle for France
Storm of War : Battle for the Pacific
Storm of War : Battle for the Med
Storm of War : Korea

etc... with say the first or at the most the first two titles having the short phrase "from the creators of award-winning Il-2 Sturmovik series" ..
Once the Storm of War series comes out there will be no need to associate it with IL2 .. after SoW:BoB is released it will become the new standard by which all future WWII combat sims will be measured.

Guaranteed.

Unless someone comes up with a 3D sim that does everything that SoW does.. in 3D.. and is affordable..




While I probably knew more than the Average American about what went on in Russia during the war, I had no desire to buy a sim about a Russian ground attack plane.

I wanted air to air combat. I wanted to be able to fly American, British, and German fighters. After looking at the original way back when, I didn't pay much attention to the series after that (though I did buy and play Pacific Fighters without knowing there was any connection to IL-2).

Names are important. IL-2 had me fooled into thinking it was only about air to ground. I was ignorant of later add ons that would have made the game a must have for me.

Americans will like a great sim about the Battle of Britain but they would LOVE an add on centered around the invasion of Europe and the bombing campaign against Germany. Hopefully that somehow gets done by someone in the future.

So hopefully they get the name right. Since IL-2 was so popular, that needs to be in there somewhere but not "up front". The name also has to be generalized to cover other theaters and other types of games.
Splitter

Yes but. IL2 was released in November of 01. IL2 Forgotten Battles was released in March of 02 with the Aces expansion Pack a while later I think in 03.. it was about 10-14 months after FB then in 04 Pacific Fighters was released. Consider that the very thing that IL2 was lacking was actually largely addressed with Forgotten Battles and further addressed with Pacific Fighters.. The fact that so many refused to deal with it was more a matter of their own stubbornness rather than poor marketing on UBIs part. A lot of those guys were so caught up in CFS3, Warbirds, Fighter Ace or Aces High that they refused to even consider IL2. I got told off and booted from one site that formerly had the lock on the Pacific.. when I went there to just say "Hey guess what IL2 has gone to the Pacific with Zekes Tonys Cats carriers .. the whole 9.." Yes it could have been marketed better.. but a lot of the stubbornness was just folks.. Ray Charles could have seen the difference.. and he was blind.. I cannot even remember how many times I intercepted people heading the the register with a copy of CFS3 at my local Best Buy when I worked there from 03-05 and "suggested" that they try out IL2 FB instead. It was in the double digits.. but there were many who had CFS1 & 2.. and the didn't want to hear anything about this sim. Period.

Believe me... make no mistake.. it was IL2 that put the kibosh on all of the above mentioned products. As a flight sim went it was hands down head and shoulders above all of them, even stock in 2004. The name is important but not as important as one might think. Many will be turned off simply because it is the Battle of Britain.. That of course, just as in 2001 will be their loss... and eventually they all will come around. Have no doubt that 5 years from now there will still be new simmers coming to this series.. (SoW)

[TheGrunch]

I think the name's really important. I've always disliked the name Storm of War. It's a weird combination of words. It needs to be something short and snappy so it doesn't detract from the individual names. I like War-torn, but it maybe doesn't sound enough like a flight-sim. War-torn: Battle of Britain and War-torn: Korea sound nice, though. Or even War-torn: Britain, or War-torn: Britain 1940. Not sure. Anyway, I'm sure that someone else could come up with a better name in the same vein. I think maybe War-torn or Wartorn or War Torn would look a bit weird printed on a box.

[Necrobaron]

Okay, I skimmed over the last few pages, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong and forgive me if I'm being redundant.

The publisher wants to drop the name "Storm of War" and call this new sim "IL-2: Battle of Britain"? That's a shame if true since it makes no sense at all considering IL-2 is the name of a plane and one that has nothing to do with the BoB.

I originally had mixed feelings about the name "Storm of War" (maybe Skies of War would sound more like a flight sim?) but got over it and it's certainly better than the publisher's alternative! Personally I think Storm of War is a decent "umbrella" title that could be used throughout the new series with a subtitle indicating the subject matter.

Storm of War: Battle of Britain
Storm of War: Battle for Moscow
Storm of War: Korea
etc.
________
LovelyWendie99 (http://www.lovelywendie99.com/)

[Splitter]

Its worth pointing out that after the NG debacle quite a few versions of the game where not even marketed in the US at all.

Imagine how many "0.50 cal is porked" and "the mustang won the war" threads we would have had if the game was actually promoted in the US. Scary thought. I am still waiting for the 0.50 cal mod that lets you kill Tiger tanks by bouncing the shells off the ground :D

Also, whilst clearly a cash cow, targeting the US casual "shoot 'em up" gamer market may not necessarily be good thing long term for a game. It's quite likely the longevity of the game is partly due to the fact it was not just another "mighty 8th/Pearl/BoB " arcade game with even fancier graphics ... and the name IL2 has made that distinction pretty clear.

Are you surprised that people want to be able to play using their countries planes? :) Heck, Oleg started this whole thing by paying homage to the IL-2.

bearcat, about the only combat sim I did not try was IL-2 lol. I had them all back then. You should have been working at MY Best Buy lol. As I recall (man, seems like a long time ago), right at the time I was jonesing for a new WWII game, I happened to pick up BF1942 and while it wasn't the air sim I wanted, it occupied me for about 5 years.

So saying, I think you are under-estimating the fascination Americans have with WWII, Galway. The potential market for a good combat flight sim here may surprise you. I know from playing BF1942 that a lot of us got into the game (knowing it was not a sim but a game) because we identified with that era. The average PS3 player in the US would have no interest in a flight "sim" like SoW, but there are a lot of people who are not "typical".

So why ignore such a large population? Sure, we think the P-51 is the best....of course, many Brits would argue for the Spit, and Germans might argue the 190 :). Does that make us worse than anyone else?

If it's about making money, which at some point it must be, then I am sure someone is going to step up and make an add on that deals with the invasion and the bombing campaign on Germany.

Ultimately, the SoW should be like WWII...encompassing every country that participated.

As for whoever (whomever? I hate that one....) brought up .50's destroying tanks from underneath, my only defense for that guy is that it was said by a WWII veteran pilot on a documentary lol. I remember hearing it and thinking, "WTF?!". I don't see how it could have really happened (I have actually researched it believe it or not), but I have some theories on why he thought he was blowing up tanks with a machine gun :).

Splitter

[Richie]

Okay, I skimmed over the last few pages, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong and forgive me if I'm being redundant.

The publisher wants to drop the name "Storm of War" and call this new sim "IL-2: Battle of Britain"? That's a shame if true since it makes no sense at all considering IL-2 is the name of a plane and one that has nothing to do with the BoB.

I originally had mixed feelings about the name "Storm of War" (maybe Skies of War would sound more like a flight sim?) but got over it and it's certainly better than the publisher's alternative! Personally I think Storm of War is a decent "umbrella" title that could be used throughout the new series with a subtitle indicating the subject matter.

Storm of War: Battle of Britain
Storm of War: Battle for Moscow
Storm of War: Korea
etc.

I'm pretty sure IL-2 Battle Of Britain is just going to be the tittle used for release in Russia and Eastern Europe.

[proton45]

Okay, I skimmed over the last few pages, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong and forgive me if I'm being redundant.

The publisher wants to drop the name "Storm of War" and call this new sim "IL-2: Battle of Britain"? That's a shame if true since it makes no sense at all considering IL-2 is the name of a plane and one that has nothing to do with the BoB.

I originally had mixed feelings about the name "Storm of War" (maybe Skies of War would sound more like a flight sim?) but got over it and it's certainly better than the publisher's alternative! Personally I think Storm of War is a decent "umbrella" title that could be used throughout the new series with a subtitle indicating the subject matter.

Storm of War: Battle of Britain
Storm of War: Battle for Moscow
Storm of War: Korea
etc.

I always thought that "Air Superiority Fighter"...would be a great name for an air combat sim.

Air Superiority Fighter-(Arena) BoB

Air Superiority Fighter-(Arena) Mediterranean

Air Superiority Fighter-Korea


Way back when, Oleg said he would run a contest for the best series name...I guess that aint never happening (lol)

[julien673]

Angel in the sky
=bob=
=korea=

From the making of il2 sturmovick

[WTE_Galway]

Many will be turned off simply because it is the Battle of Britain.. That of course, just as in 2001 will be their loss... and eventually they all will come around. Have no doubt that 5 years from now there will still be new simmers coming to this series.. (SoW)



Actually the time has probably come for another good B0B sim.

When IL2 first came out we were all sick to death of the same limited plane set re-fighting the same air battles rehashed over and over.

However 10 years down the track its probably time to revisit that summer in 1940 when so many legends were made.

[Avimimus]

I always thought that "Air Superiority Fighter"...would be a great name for an air combat sim.

Air Superiority Fighter-(Arena) BoB

Air Superiority Fighter-(Arena) Mediterranean

Air Superiority Fighter-Korea


Way back when, Oleg said he would run a contest for the best series name...I guess that aint never happening (lol)

Oh no you don't - not with my Blenny sim (Blolingbroke bomber!)

Sheesh! These fighter jocks... ;)

P.S.
There was Air Dominance Fighter by DID. The improved version was "Total Air War".

[Richie]

I always thought that "Air Superiority Fighter"...would be a great name for an air combat sim.

Air Superiority Fighter-(Arena) BoB

Air Superiority Fighter-(Arena) Mediterranean

Air Superiority Fighter-Korea


Way back when, Oleg said he would run a contest for the best series name...I guess that aint never happening (lol)


Sounds too modern to me. Like a Jet Sim.

[Oleg Maddox]

I agree, a lot of people will be saying, "so when's IL-3 going to be released?" and "Is IL-1 any good?" (People have asked me that very question). :grin:

I believe Major_Setback proposed the title Oleg Maddox Flying Games, or OMFG. ;)

-= OMFG =-
Battle of Britain


:grin:

There in the past was idea in Ubisoft to name the new series as Oleg Maddox Combat Simulations.
I was againt this name, but for today maybe isn't bad.

[Richie]

OM Soft hehehe

[Richie]

Actually if you look at all of the Aviation art around you can get some pretty good tittle ideas from those. "Into The Storm" is cool. Battle Of Britain "Into The Storm"


http://www.stephenbrownaviationart.com/

http://www.aviationarthangar.com/

[Feathered_IV]

I've always liked the Forgotten Battles tag. It was such an evocative title, that promised so much more than the mainstream sim makers were offering.

[Old_Canuck]

There in the past was idea in Ubisoft to name the new series as Oleg Maddox Combat Simulations.
I was againt this name, but for today maybe isn't bad.

I was thinking along these lines before finding your statement, Oleg. Not for your ego but just the facts: the name Oleg Maddox is now like a guarantee of quality and desire for perfection in a flight sim. For a good many of us, even the name IL-2 does not bring to mind an airplane. When someone says "IL-2" I think of the flight sim series. Hope this make sense.

[Flying_Nutcase]

There in the past was idea in Ubisoft to name the new series as Oleg Maddox Combat Simulations.
I was againt this name, but for today maybe isn't bad.

Hi Oleg,

You're lucky to have a name which suits the English speaking mind and tongue in terms of readability and pronunciation, but "Oleg Maddox Combat Simulations", although conveying well the generic military message, is too much of a mouthful and "OMCS" doesn't read/isn't spoken easily as an acronym.

"Storm of War" represents well a generic and timeless military aspect, and with just three syllables is easy to say without needing to turn it into a spoken acronym ("Sow", not good).

A catchy name is really important. "Storm of War" hits the nail on the head.


Flying Nutcase

[Necrobaron]

Yeah, I don't think Oleg Maddox Combat Simulations (OMCS) would be bad at all.
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[proton45]

There in the past was idea in Ubisoft to name the new series as Oleg Maddox Combat Simulations.
I was againt this name, but for today maybe isn't bad.


Its simple and to the point...and its generally hard to go wrong with "simple and direct".

[Flying_Nutcase]

I've always liked the Forgotten Battles tag. It was such an evocative title, that promised so much more than the mainstream sim makers were offering.

Good point, that's also a solid generic military name and one which conveys a degree of intrigue, though BoB isn't exactly a 'forgotten' battle.

Forgotten Battles: Battle of Britain
Forgotten Battles: Battle for Moscow
Forgotten Battles: The Med
Forgotten Battles: Korea

It would certainly provide a cute connection with the IL2 series. :-)

[150GCT_Veltro]

There in the past was idea in Ubisoft to name the new series as Oleg Maddox Combat Simulations.
I was againt this name, but for today maybe isn't bad.

Actually after so many years of success, both IL2 and Maddox are trade-mark with a their own market value, so both are needed on the box.

[MuxaHuk]

Hello!
Most of team members like name SoW and BoB.
But...we can't use name Battle of Britain (in english) because this name is TradeMark'ed (TM) of other company.
We were shocked at the title's name at Igromir :eek: :o

[addman]

I think that Storm of War is just fine. Storm and war in the same sentence, that might even convince 14 year old Billy -I play CoD and WoW all night long- to pick it up. When you say IL-2 should be in the title you're just preaching to the quire, those who are already familiar with the brand will buy it even if it's called "Unicorn-Horse Adventures". It really is the perfect "umbrella" -as someone stated earlier- for a whole new series. "From the creators of the award winning IL-2 series" will fit perfectly underneath the main title. Remember, if you wan't to sell, you need to reach out to a new younger audience that were probably still in pre-school when IL-2 first was released.

Make it as accessible as possible Oleg :grin:

[150GCT_Veltro]

Hello!
Most of team members like name SoW and BoB.
But...we can't use name Battle of Britain (in english) because this name is TradeMark'ed (TM) of other company.
We were shocked at the title's name at Igromir :eek: :o

I doubt you can TradeMarked the name "Battle of Britain" itself because it's a WW2 battle and you can't absolutely take it as your property, you need something more added for it, like "Rowan's" for ex.
"Storm of War: Battle of Britain" or "The Oleg Maddox's Battle of Britain", are both ok for copyright, as for IL2 Sturmovik: Battle of Britain.
You trademark (copyright) "Oleg Maddox", "Maddox Games", "IL2 Sturmovik", "Storm of War" words, with the association of "Battle of Britain".

[steam]

Completely agree with you. I was against such name, but it isn't my decision....
...Anyway I may disagree with the name Il-2 for the completely new series, but final decision - from publisher.

I will try to speak to big guys that to find solution....

Oleg, what can we do to influence the decision of the publisher?
As a suggestion: Create a separate theme - to appeal to the publishers of the future users. Here and in sukhoi.ru

Олег, что мы можем сделать, чтоб повлиять на решение издателя ? :)
Как предложение: можно создать отдельную тему - обращение к издателям от будущих пользователей. Тут и на Сухом

[BOYAN]

Sir Winston Churchill: We Shall Fight On The Beaches (extract)
June 4th 1940

"... I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend our Island home, to ride out the STORM OF WAR, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone.


Lets be honest, even mr. Churchill new that the great flight sim is upon us any time now.....

[Jaguar]

I would not worry too much on how your new series will be called in the west. From what you have so far has still gained a lot of press. Did you get to see any of the ads that were on the Discovery Channel when Pacific Fighters came out? It was perfect because the Dogfight series was very popular as well. I was in a Squadron who was being split apart due to the fact that people were saying that FB was far better than CFS2. The old guard did not want to give up the Pacific theater of Operations and others wanted your "New" sim.
So when these started to appear
http://il2-sturmovik.de.ubi.com/en/videos.php
That was the ticket to at least 15 more sales because it was based on the PTO. The same can be said for the Battle of Britain. I think as long as you get the message out that it is a new series and not just a new game then that will be your hook. Our word of mouth will help as well. I always called Forgotten Battles by that name, PF by its name. The big plus was when I found out I could put FB + AEP and PF together. The shorter the name is easier to be conveyed in stores and on forums. Just look at why fighter jocks have nicknames. It is easier to reference in the air than Lt.JG John Q. Puplic. So "Cash Money" is a nickname everybody would know. PS. keep this in mind when thinking of all new theaters and maps please. WWII was epic and every nation who fought wants to be represented. Hey today is Veterens day here. S! all.

[Gourmand]

Storm of War: Battle of Britain
Storm of War: Battle for Moscow
Storm of War: Korea

it's the official trilogy of SoW?

there are no plans to release on the Pacific?
I Hope we wan fly Corsair and landing ( and taking off ) to aircraft carrier
for putting aside my il2-1946

[Richie]

We do have one thing that we didn't have 9 - 7 years ago....youtube.

[Jaguar]

We do have one thing that we didn't have 9 - 7 years ago....youtube.


So true. I now base my purchases on new games by how it looks on YT in game.

[Jaguar]

it's the official trilogy of SoW?

there are no plans to release on the Pacific?
I Hope we wan fly Corsair and landing ( and taking off ) to aircraft carrier
for putting aside my il2-1946

I believe it will eventually. It may not be for some time though. Just using the past add ons as an example. So my guess is just a guess. I still want an official Italy, Romania, Yugoslavia, Greece and southern France. I want a lot ...... Si!

[Richie]

Althought other sims are added to this movie...Just look at Wolfbiscuits "The Desert Dogfighter" If I want to introduce a friend to IL-2 this is one of the things I always show them...Thank you youtube :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXFugJlqAEE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MuvSSRSgtE&feature=related

[Hecke]

Considering that Oleg does not only want the hardcore simmers (who know the IL-2 series anyway) to buy his game, but also the newcomers and maybe also the arcade freaks who only buy games that sound cool for them, I doubt that IL-2 makes them think of a great WWII simulator.


So the publishers want to...

- confuse the people waiting for "Storm of War"?
- keep people from buying it because they think it isn't the new game?
- keep the people from buying because they don't know of the name change and still wait for "Storm of War" release?
- keep the people, who normally play other genres, from buying because the name sounds odd and old/outdated?

Do these publishers want to ruin you, Oleg? They can't be serious.

[150GCT_Veltro]

"IL2 Sturmovik" merchandise is for the combat-flight-sim market what "Call of Duty" is for the FPS, so for a publisher could be not a reasonable idea to change it, not at all. IL2 now is a very strong trade-mark in the world, as for Maddox Games. Maddox is not a problem at all, and Oleg Maddox could be however a good idea, but IL2 is a problem for what has been said above about customers confusion. So, how to avoid it if the publisher doesn't accept other words than IL2?

Storm of War: Battle of Britain
A new combat flightsim serie from Oleg Maddox
or
A new combat flightsim from the creator of IL2
or
(...)
(...)

NB: IL2 is not required

ecc. ecc...

I'm afraid that the first box will be full of marketing advices. However, Storm of War is a good choice for a new serie.

P.S.: The Red Star is itself a very good sign for customers (and i'm not talking off course about politic; the red colour and the star are both very good as distinctive signs for a trade-mark), so the association between it and IL2 Sturmovik words is really very strong. Don't forget about it.

[Asheshouse]

Storm of War -- ....................
from the creator of IL2 Sturmovok

Sounds good to me

There have been many strong hints from OM that in the longer term the series may not be limited to aircraft simulation alone. The name Storm of War could be attached to any genre including tank simulation, naval simulation or whatever.

[Feathered_IV]

I'm afraid that the first box will be full of marketing advices. However, Storm of War is a good choice for a new serie.

In English, the phrase does not read very well. I would suggest the title be more about aircraft and flying than War itself. It would have more dignity when introduced to the non-initiates.

If you were to say to the average person with no previous background in flight sims, "I play Storm of War on the internet and always fight with honour." They would look at you with pity. :oops:

[Hecke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky3Qhgd1uQg

[KOM.Nausicaa]

There in the past was idea in Ubisoft to name the new series as Oleg Maddox Combat Simulations.
I was againt this name, but for today maybe isn't bad.

Hello Oleg,

as I said (using different words) in the other post yesterday evening, you are one of the very few developers in the world who has a strong and loyal fan base that directly associates you as a person with the product. Only a handful come to my mind in the gaming industry who have such a status: Warren Spector (Deus Ex), Robyn and Rand Miller (Myst series), Hideo Kojima (Metal Gear Solid series) and you, Oleg Maddox. Very, very few people have achieved to build up a customer base that is so loyal that they would follow them almost anywhere. In the movie world the equivalent would be people like Stanley Kubrick, Martin Scorsese, Steven Spielberg, and so forth. Independently from what they do, people will say "it's a Kubrick movie". The name of the person has become a brand of itself. Your name is almost universally known in the flight simming world, even by most who only play civil flight sim, and who have never played IL2. Most have at least heard your name.

I think it's time you claim from the distributor what is actually already rightfully yours since years: that your name is on the box. The occasion for it is now, at the beginning of a new series, and it won't come again so quickly. Building up a new brand that puts emphasis on your name, instead of a "IL2", which is associated with a flight sim only, and a plane few people in the West know about, is easier for your old and new customer base in the long run. It's also much easier to associate with different theaters, like BoB, Mediterranean, and so forth, and it doesn't create odd associations nobody understands and who are bare of logic like "IL2 Sturmovik: The Battle of Britain". ("uhh, Russians were in the BoB??"). Furthermore, creating a gaming series with your name on it will make it easier to make other products, like the more fun oriented "crimson sky" inspired shooter you mentioned earlier. (btw, in my opinion you should do a steampunk flying sim: big floating fortresses and flying gunships "19th century style" shooting cannons and stuff...nobody has ever done that ...I could bring you a lot of Hollywood film designers who would LOVE to work on such a thing....and me, hehe) But back on topic: Your name would also make it possible very easily to extent to land simulation and other things. "IL2 Sturmovik: Tank Battle of the Ardennes" would sound even more strange to western ears than "IL2 Sturmovik: The Battle of Britain"!

I think you should try right now to establish a head line on all new products going something like this: "A Oleg Maddox Combat Simulation" or "Oleg Maddox Flight Simulation series", followed by "Storm of War: The Battle of Britain", or just "The Battle of Britain". On the first release of the product a sticker could be on the box saying "from the creator of award winning IL2 Sturmovik". Later, when the new product is established such a sticker is not necessary anymore and can be dumped. I think that's better for your own future as a developer and person, and much better for the future of your product, instead of creating strange names like "IL2 Sturmovik: The Battle of Britain" which Brits, Americans and other westerners will not understand and only get confused about.

Well, just my personal two cents.

[kalimba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky3Qhgd1uQg

Well, after seeing this video, my conclusion is IMHO, that Oleg looks better without a moustache. :grin:

[katdogfizzow]

"IL2 Sturmovik" merchandise is for the combat-flight-sim market what "Call of Duty" is for the FPS

Let us pray not. Call of Duty has gone from being one of the best games ever with the ability to mod it and make new maps, skins and dedicated servers to being a console game for kids that you cannot mod or control your own server...it has turned into total nightmare for modders and the original game fans. I hope this is a comparison we never hear from again. ;)....*shivers*

As for them name, anything with Oleg's name will work. "From the creators of greatest ww2 air sim of-all-time "IL2- Sturmovik"

[speculum jockey]

Oleg's already expressed his point of view. It's the publisher who has the final say and they will probably do whatever the heck they like. The only thing I can imagine changing their minds would be some sort of massed email/letter campaign by fans to keep the SOW:BOB name with a well thought out and reasoned explanation why it should be.

Given the 1C community who posts about SOW, coming off as rational or coherent in written form might be a problem!

Right now the publishers are banking on the IL-2 name carrying them in Russia and Eastern Europe where the game is much more popular and IL-2 has better name recognition and cultural significance. In the west, they're probably going to keep the SOW title. If they don't, and go the IL-2 naming route it would probably be the equivalent of Spielberg's marketing department doing this. . .

"I know, lets name take the name of one of his earlier successes, and add it to the start of this new one! That way fans will know that it's by the same guy, and they're both similar. . . even though they're sort of different.

Empire of the Rising Sun: Saving Private Ryan

[julien673]

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox
There in the past was idea in Ubisoft to name the new series as Oleg Maddox Combat Simulations.
I was againt this name, but for today maybe isn't bad.

Now we know the publisher is Ubi, tks oleg ;)

[major_setback]

I've always liked the Forgotten Battles tag. It was such an evocative title, that promised so much more than the mainstream sim makers were offering.

Yes, Forgotten battles was an excellent title.

Maybe Unforgotten Battles now?


1c: Battle of Britain (by the makers of IL2) works perfectly.

[philip.ed]

Or, instead of Unforgotten, something like re-told? Hmm, seems a bit week IMHO. For me, SoW is still the best. Many have heard it, and it has an excellent big-tent approach in being able to work for every (combat)series released by the team (and even aviation related third parties). ;)

OMG-Oleg Maddox Games. Not sure who made that one up, but it's always stuck in my mind which is great from a marketing PoV ;)

[Hecke]

OMG = Oleg Maddox Games, "oh my god" will tell that this is not the best idea.

[speculum jockey]

Now we know the publisher is Ubi, tks oleg ;)

He didn't say that. Read it again!

[150GCT_Veltro]

Let us pray not. Call of Duty has gone from being one of the best games ever with the ability to mod it and make new maps, skins and dedicated servers to being a console game for kids that you cannot mod or control your own server...it has turned into total nightmare for modders and the original game fans. I hope this is a comparison we never hear from again. ;)....*shivers*

As for them name, anything with Oleg's name will work. "From the creators of greatest ww2 air sim of-all-time "IL2- Sturmovik"

I've said good bye myself to CoD serie because of the "console degeneration"....but the CoD name is still very strong on the market. Sure, i've spent my last money in the serie with MW1, but we are not talking about games here.

However you've touched an important point of view here......"the console problem" for the PC gamers, but thank to God i doubt we'll have these kinde of problems with advanced flights sims.

[Avimimus]

it's the official trilogy of SoW?

there are no plans to release on the Pacific?
I Hope we wan fly Corsair and landing ( and taking off ) to aircraft carrier
for putting aside my il2-1946

There are issues with laws in the United States which prevent the depiction of some Pacific Theatre equipment. The word is that a return to the Pacific is only likely when these laws get overturned.

However, there may be 3rd party addons.

[Old_Canuck]

1C works for me. The product's name is ultimately defined by the quality of the product so "1C: Battle of Britain" would work I'm sure. Anything that is easy to remember and that connects Oleg's reputation to the product is what I'm suggesting.

[speculum jockey]

There are issues with laws in the United States which prevent the depiction of some Pacific Theatre equipment. The word is that a return to the Pacific is only likely when these laws get overturned.

However, there may be 3rd party addons.

Not so much a law, as much as it was the a$$clowns at Northrop Grumman wanting massive royalties to include their aircraft, and aircraft made by companies they have bought out over the years. Before video games were the cash cows they are now they didn't care about their aircraft being used (See sims from the 90's like Pacific Air War). Ubi and Oleg didn't want to shell out the money, so they didn't include it.

Northrop Grumman is a huge monster of a company, and they have the legal means to make sure anyone who uses their "Intellectual/Real Property" wish they didn't. Plus they probably own a ton of politicians as well, so you know it's going to go their way in court.

[KG26_Alpha]

Hmm


1C Team Presents
The Battle for Britain
OMG





.:grin:

[Avimimus]

Yes, Forgotten battles was an excellent title.

Maybe Unforgotten Battles now?


1c: Battle of Britain (by the makers of IL2) works perfectly.

+1

Although, it really should be Maddox Games (not 1c - which is just the parent company and distributor).

[philip.ed]

Hmm


1C Team Presents
The Battle for Britain
OMG





.:grin:

LOL :D It's funny, and very memorable, but perhaps too comical for a serious sim? I'm not sure.

[MuxaHuk]

Currently, it's named as IL2:CoD (in english), i'm not kidding ;) :shock: :???:

[Avimimus]

I personally think "Storm of War: Battle of *title*" works very well.

[philip.ed]

I personally think "Storm of War: Battle of *title*" works very well.

+1

[Hecke]

+1

+1

Actually I don't care what happens with the russian version.
But for the western european version I hope it won't be IL-2.
Maybe the russians are just too proud of their IL-2 plane. ;)

[kestrel79]

"IL2 Sturmovik" merchandise is for the combat-flight-sim market what "Call of Duty" is for the FPS, so for a publisher could be not a reasonable idea to change it, not at all. IL2 now is a very strong trade-mark in the world, as for Maddox Games.

I disagree with this. You ask any casual gamer or casual aviation video game fan what IL2 is and highly doubt they even know what it is. It is a very popular and strong market name in the FLIGHT SIM community yes, but not with the masses. And in order for BoB to be a success, it will have to cross over and appeal to casual non simmers.

See we are the hardcore, we know and love IL2. But we hardcore simmers are about 1% of IL2 sales sadly.

They need a name and boxart that grabs these casual gamers attention, not confuse them with a Battle of Britain sim that is named after a Russian ground attack plane...

Like others have said at least in the West give it a new name, with maybe Oleg's name above it:

Oleg Maddox's
STORM OF WAR : The Battle of Britain
the new sim from the makers of IL2

[Oleg Maddox]

+1

Actually I don't care what happens with the russian version.
But for the western european version I hope it won't be IL-2.
Maybe the russians are just too proud of their IL-2 plane. ;)

The only one reason - marketing.
I think by other way, but really I'm following the decision.

[Flying_Nutcase]

The only one reason - marketing.
I think by other way, but really I'm following the decision.

Hello Oleg,

Please at least let the publishers know about the confusion that it caused with the press recently, if not the other points mentioned above. Hecke did a good job of summarising some key points regarding the confusion aspect a couple of pages back.

"IL2" in the title will lose sales and confuse the market, guaranteed.

Flying Nutcase

[nearmiss]

There in the past was idea in Ubisoft to name the new series as Oleg Maddox Combat Simulations.
I was againt this name, but for today maybe isn't bad.

Using your personal name could have it's problems, especially if you ever sell the company or rights to the software.

IL2 is good branding.. Three letters, very simple and the entire community of air combat flight sim enthusiasts are very connected to your IL2 brand.

Then of course we'd all buy SOW, even if you called it Auntie's outhouse.

[philip.ed]

Surely Il-2 should be in the title, but not necessarily as the main-name?

For example, as has been mentioned before...

"The creators of Il-2 Sturmovik present.... __________"

For me this is the best solution. People familiar with Il-2 will see the title, and then see that the game is not the same as Il-2 but a new-game ;)

[Tte. Costa]

I like Flight for freedom.
or Fight for freedom.
But F.F.F. doesnt sound good :)

[150GCT_Veltro]

I disagree with this. You ask any casual gamer or casual aviation video game fan what IL2 is and highly doubt they even know what it is. It is a very popular and strong market name in the FLIGHT SIM community yes, but not with the masses. And in order for BoB to be a success, it will have to cross over and appeal to casual non simmers.

See we are the hardcore, we know and love IL2. But we hardcore simmers are about 1% of IL2 sales sadly.

They need a name and boxart that grabs these casual gamers attention, not confuse them with a Battle of Britain sim that is named after a Russian ground attack plane...

Like others have said at least in the West give it a new name, with maybe Oleg's name above it:

Oleg Maddox's
STORM OF WAR : The Battle of Britain
the new sim from the makers of IL2

You've good points be sure, but IL2 is an example of a word which has lost its primary meaning in the customers feeling, first of all for the western customers and if Ubi has decided for it, we are not so few as we could think.
In Russia, IL2 is an aircraft with a particular meaning (the same is for the SU-25), but for the others is only a "Red Star" that does remember them the best sim they have had for 10 years, and 10 years are really a lot for a product.

But what you say about new customers is correct.

[Tte. Costa]

Oleg Maddox's
STORM OF WAR : The Battle of Britain
the new sim from the makers of IL2

I think this is one of the best options...
Or:

STORM OF WAR
Battle of Britain
The new sim from Oleg Maddox Team, the makers of IL-2

[undercut]

How about..

IL-2 Sturmovik Presents
Battle of Britain: Their Finest Hour

[MD_Titus]

Like in Il-2 you may select aircraft and select the country (markings).
It is in quick mission builder one of the features as well as online feature.
For Example in Il-2 online I was flying on a "captured" Bf109G or K with red stars.
Users at exhibition simply tried all accessible options.

In campaign mode you can't change the markings.

Where is a problem?
oh no, no problem, i commented as i thought it a nice touch to have the tail bars as part of the marking layer, gives it the fully marked up "captured" look
I always thought that "Air Superiority Fighter"...would be a great name for an air combat sim.

Air Superiority Fighter-(Arena) BoB

Air Superiority Fighter-(Arena) Mediterranean

Air Superiority Fighter-Korea


Way back when, Oleg said he would run a contest for the best series name...I guess that aint never happening (lol)
all the mud movers will not thank you for that!
There in the past was idea in Ubisoft to name the new series as Oleg Maddox Combat Simulations.
I was againt this name, but for today maybe isn't bad.
you've built up the reputation to allow you to trade on your name i'd say. il2, 10 years on, is the gold standard for combat flight sims. anyone else made a game that is still, 10 years on, held up as an example of how things should be done?
I've always liked the Forgotten Battles tag. It was such an evocative title, that promised so much more than the mainstream sim makers were offering.
concur
Surely Il-2 should be in the title, but not necessarily as the main-name?

For example, as has been mentioned before...

"The creators of Il-2 Sturmovik present.... __________"

For me this is the best solution. People familiar with Il-2 will see the title, and then see that the game is not the same as Il-2 but a new-game ;)
best option tbh. it may sound daft to forum regulars, but there will be people who have played il2 and have no idea that BoB is an upcoming release. but when they see it on the box...

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

For me, "Storm of War :" sounds great as the series title, then *insert here* for particular instalment. As has been previously mentioned, IL-2 vets will buy this no matter what, they are already sold. It's the newbies and those curious about WWII combat flight sims you need to attract.

Nothing wrong with including something like "from the makers of IL-2:Sturmovik" as a sub header either, probably a good idea. Its a quality brand and many of those who are not flight sim nuts have heard of it.....In the same way that those who know nothing about American football or Ice Hockey have heard of Dan Marino and Wayne Gretzsky! :grin:

Its win win all the way, no matter what you call it this will be a success, be sure. ;)

[JAMF]

The creators of Il-2 Sturmovik present:
Maddox Simulations: Battle of Britain


Doesn't look too bad either. :)

[Sven]

The creators of Il-2 Sturmovik present:
Maddox Simulations: Battle of Britain


Doesn't look too bad either. :)

Doesnt look bad at all JAMF, not bad at all:grin:

[Stiboo]

Whenever I see a movie being released that says..." from the makers of...."
or " from the director of...." I always think that the new film must stink as they wouldn't bother saying that otherwise !!!!


keep it simple -

Battle Of Britain, The flight sim - by 1c/Maddox games

Battle Of The Med, The flight sim - " " "

Battle Of Korea, The flight sim - " " "




ps - by the way Oleg what's the release date?

[JG53Frankyboy]

The creators of Il-2 Sturmovik present:
Maddox Simulations: Battle of Britain



!!!!!! THATS it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nearmiss]

IL2 is the brand recognized worldwide.

Doesn't make sense to change the branding after over 10 years of very positive success with it. Changing it would just confuse people and possibly help competitors.

IL2 is terrific... a 3 letter brand associated with the highest quality air combat flight simulator.

Nope, I say keep the gal you brought to the dance. You'll not regret it.

Look at MSFT and others they all try to create identity for their brands into a few letters...

Halo, WoW, MoH, EAW, etc.

I still think ---- Auntie's Outhouse has a nice ring to it, and it can translate to AOH.

[philip.ed]

Doesnt look bad at all JAMF, not bad at all:grin:

Hehe :D

I think Storm of War, if possible, is better than Maddox Simulations. Purely because it gives an idea of the game genre, it works well for all subsequent combat-flight-sims, and also it's catchy.

Maddox Simulations sounds very professional, but in a title as such may sound a bit too vein? For example, "Infinity Ward: Modern Warfare_"
The Infinity Ward name may come into the title, but usually only to present the game: "Infinity Ward presents", and with JAMF's example we already have: "The Creators of Il-2 Sturmovik Present..."
If Maddox Simulations was to be in the title, I don't think it should be part of the main-title in this way.
Just my 2P ;)

[Peffi]

Il-2 is out, the airplane isn't in the Battle of Britain.

War Birds: Battle of Britain
Birds of War: Battle of Britain

Everybody knows what a War Bird is.

[kedrednael]

I think Storm of War: .... is a really good choice, it's new. There are a lot of suggestions made already that there will be more than flight addons, you can man already AAA, so in future addons you can possibly also man cars, tanks etc.
I don't think choosing il2 as a name for SoW is a good idea since the name is already being used by others with their il2 sturmovik :Bids of Prey :confused:.
Il2 is a plane so that would be a strange name for a tank simulator. And SoW uses a new engine, so that's another reason to call it different.
And maybe it's becomming a little bit confusing. People can say CoD 7 etc, but can we say il2.7? I don't think so.
If SOW will be called il2 sturmovik there will be:
il2 sturmovik
il2 sturmovik: forgotten battles
il2 sturmovik: pasific fighters
il2 sturmovik: 1946
il2 sturmovik: birds of prey (by different creators, it's no simulator and lacks a lot of things (good damage models, mission builder etc))
il2 sturmovik: wings of prey (also not by Oleg Maddox Games)
il2 sturmovik: battle of britain (by Oleg Maddox Games, new engine, simulator)
il2 sturmovik: Battle for Moscow
il2 sturmovik: Korean Theater Ops
il2 sturmovik: aarg! too much!

[Jaws2002]

I'd say keep the "Storm Of War" title.
Is already very well known everywhere. People talked about it for few good years already. That's many years of "advertisment" you should not loose.
A lot of people that don't follow this forums, already know what SoW is going to bring to the table. Don't lose them as potential customers by introducing a new title they never heared about. Your game, with a new title, could be on the shelves and many people could still be waiting for Storms of War.

You should definitely add "from the creator of Il-2" in some form or another.:)

[philip.ed]

I'd say keep the "Storm Of War" title.
Is already very well known everywhere. People talked about it for few good years already. That's many years of "advertisment" you should not loose.
A lot of people that don't follow this forums, already know what SoW is going to bring to the table. Don't lose them as potential customers by introducing a new title they never heared about. Your game, with a new title, could be on the shelves and many people could still be waiting for Storms of War.

You should definitely add "from the creator of Il-2" in some form or another.:)

+1, well said ;)

[Baco]

Well, DCS is still LOMAC and it still is Flanker . Still the name changed every time the Engine changed. Albeit last time becouse of who else, yes Ubishit, er soft... Still Everybody know DCS is LOMAC but with a better engine. The link being the ED logo on all af their product, just as 1C and Maddox Games logo will be on SoW series.

The same way I feell its onlly logical to change the name of the series to Strom Of War, becouse of the new engine that will include evereithing good from Il-2 But a lot, lot more...

[pupo162]

my HUMBLE opinion.

when i talk to my friends it goes always somehting like this

"hye guys a new update of SOW is out"

"sow?"

"yeah, the new il2"

"ahhh, show me! show me!"


neverthelesse, this just mainly becosue in my langiuage SOW when read soudns rather awfull and hard to understnad while IL2 is catchy.
o nthe other end, calling il2 to the new sim would be pointless and sord of a lie.

"il2: battle of britain" - but you cant fly il2 tough.

keep it SOW. and more inportant than that, its going to stay BOB, becosue no matter our opinion, the name has been decided even before i started playing il2 the first place.

[Richie]

I think Storm of War: .... is a really good choice, it's new. There are a lot of suggestions made already that there will be more than flight addons, you can man already AAA, so in future addons you can possibly also man cars, tanks etc.
I don't think choosing il2 as a name for SoW is a good idea since the name is already being used by others with their il2 sturmovik :Bids of Prey :confused:.
Il2 is a plane so that would be a strange name for a tank simulator. And SoW uses a new engine, so that's another reason to call it different.
And maybe it's becomming a little bit confusing. People can say CoD 7 etc, but can we say il2.7? I don't think so.
If SOW will be called il2 sturmovik there will be:
il2 sturmovik
il2 sturmovik: forgotten battles
il2 sturmovik: pasific fighters
il2 sturmovik: 1946
il2 sturmovik: birds of prey (by different creators, it's no simulator and lacks a lot of things (good damage models, mission builder etc))
il2 sturmovik: wings of prey (also not by Oleg Maddox Games)
il2 sturmovik: battle of britain (by Oleg Maddox Games, new engine, simulator)
il2 sturmovik: Battle for Moscow
il2 sturmovik: Korean Theater Ops
il2 sturmovik: aarg! too much!

You forgot

IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle For North Africa or Battle For The Mediterranean

[peterwoods@supanet.com]

STORM OF WAR SERIES
(Legendary Battles of WWII)
Battle of Britain
By the team that gave you
IL-2 Sturmovik

with of course appropriate fonts and text sizes and colours

[KG26_Alpha]

I thinks short and snappy will appeal to the market.


Olegs BoB





,

[JAMF]

Hehe :D

I think Storm of War, if possible, is better than Maddox Simulations. Purely because it gives an idea of the game genre, it works well for all subsequent combat-flight-sims, and also it's catchy.

Maddox Simulations sounds very professional, but in a title as such may sound a bit too vein? For example, "Infinity Ward: Modern Warfare_"
The Infinity Ward name may come into the title, but usually only to present the game: "Infinity Ward presents", and with JAMF's example we already have: "The Creators of Il-2 Sturmovik Present..."
If Maddox Simulations was to be in the title, I don't think it should be part of the main-title in this way.
Just my 2P ;)

:) "The Creators of Il-2 Sturmovik Present..." I took from one of your previous posts.

Maddox Simulations I took from mr. Maddox mentioning they had suggested "Oleg Maddox Combat Simulations", but removing 'combat' leaves room for 'non-combat sims' and makes the name short, snappy and all business.

Text fonts and size just make it look nice. Verdana for the top and Times for the bottom. :cool:


[EDIT] If SoW is still an option, it has preference. It already has a presence here and been with us some time, so from marketing point of view it has a base/foundation.

[philip.ed]

I definitely think Maddox Simulations should have a part. For non-combat games, as you say, it will work really well.
I really hope SoW is an option, because for me it's such a great name ;)

[Richie]

STORM OF WAR SERIES
(Legendary Battles of WWII)
Battle of Britain
By the team that gave you
IL-2 Sturmovik

with of course appropriate fonts and text sizes and colours


Oh I like this. You could just change where "The Battle Of Britain" is in the title each time and add on came out. This is the best idea yet in my opinion.

[fireflyerz]

Maddox Games
Storm Of War
Part One
The Battle Of Britain

[Gourmand]

il2 sturmovik
il2 sturmovik: forgotten battles
il2 sturmovik: pasific fighters
il2 sturmovik: 1946
il2 sturmovik: birds of prey (by different creators, it's no simulator and lacks a lot of things (good damage models, mission builder etc))
il2 sturmovik: wings of prey (also not by Oleg Maddox Games)
il2 sturmovik: battle of britain (by Oleg Maddox Games, new engine, simulator)
il2 sturmovik: Battle for Moscow
il2 sturmovik: Korean Theater Ops
il2 sturmovik: aarg! too much!

you should thinking "market"...
if i'm a newbee who bought il2 surmovik : battle of britain and who like it...
if in shop i see IL2 sturmovik: 1946, i surely buy it thinking it's the sequel...


for me, i do not care the name, and i hope the question of naming is not delay the release

il2 sturmovik: battle of britain is the same confusion than il2 sturmovik : pacific fighters
and it did not prevent release it

[Flying_Nutcase]

Surely Il-2 should be in the title, but not necessarily as the main-name?

For example, as has been mentioned before...

"The creators of Il-2 Sturmovik present.... __________"

For me this is the best solution. People familiar with Il-2 will see the title, and then see that the game is not the same as Il-2 but a new-game ;)

Absolutely the new sim should be introduced, for example on the DVD cover and advertising, with a reference to IL2 and Oleg, but not in the actual *title*. The title itself should just be "Storm of War"; short and meaningful. Something like:

Oleg Maddox and the creators of the award-winning IL2 Sturmovik series present...
Storm of War: Battle of Britain

[el0375]

in my opinion a new name is a good idea, but to make other remember of its roots to il2 maybe put something liek a signature tehy wrote thanking us in il1946 cover.:

-------------from the creators of the Il2 ( sturmovik series)
----------------------- ''The name of the series''

this to show
the expansion-----------''Battle of Britain'' although this might be the title itself
or
---------------------------Battle of moscow


and here or up the main title : From the creators of the [successful] ( legendary) Il2 series
so u have a new name of the series, you remember the il2 series
and you put other names below for the pack like BoB
thanks
PS i do not prefer something that says oleg maddox( but ok the maddox games), not for not respect, in the contrary i admire his dedication, as he is not alone in the dev, there is a team and i think all of it has to be recognized

[trulu]

if we are speaking about the evolution of il2 series, then the perfect name should be:

IL3: Batle of ....

trulu

[lbuchele]

if we are speaking about the evolution of il2 series, then the perfect name should be:

IL3: Batle of ....

trulu
Yes!
And the sequels might be IL4,IL5,IL6...
Very clever!:rolleyes:

[Richie]

I remember how much of a kick I got out of the box art from "Pacific Fighters". It was a great box and also for once in a blue moon a Zero wins a fight in a advertisement for some product sold in North America.


Box

http://uk2.shopto.net/boxart/PCPA00SG.jpg

[major_setback]

There has to be room for non-combat add-ons. Therefore '...War' is not suitable.

If there is eventually to be a tank add-on, and civlian aircraft, then the name shouldn't exclude these.

Maddox Simms flight simulator(MSFS)?
...arrgghhhhh, it has already been done :-(


xxx...Simulations is the best option , I think.

1C sims
One See sims
ONE SIM
Maddox sims
Oleg Maddox sims
OM sims
Sim Storm
Banana sims
etc.

[winny]

I think that SoW is a very strong title name. to not mention War/Combat in the title would seem like throwing away all the hard work on the DM. Microsoft make 'Simulators' and nothing says nerd like the word Simulator. Want to appeal to new audiences then Storm of War is the kind of name that would have people picking the box up who wouldn't normally pick a flight sim box up.

I think that IL-2 is a strong brand and having a logo that says 'IL-2 Studios' or something similar (like the 1c games logo), maybe a good way to keep the IL-2 name on the box without confusing things.

Then you could also introduce other series but have them all under the IL-2 Studios name.. We need to see that Red Star somewhere!

[Feathered_IV]

1c reads too much like One Cent. It makes any associated product sound like a no-frills, low quality offering. Makes me think more of capsule toys or vending machines.

[Old_Canuck]

That's a good thought, Feathered. 1C could be misconstrued that way in the West. Having said that, the best argument IMO is having the name identified somehow with Oleg Maddox's reputation.

[WTE_Galway]

Guys and girls, please don't forget that 1C already have an existing product line called "Theater of War".

[tango2delta]

Looking good 1C! 1st day buyer here. Q:Will the german aircraft have the hekenkreuz on the tail in the campaign?

[Richie]

1 c games


http://www.1cpublishing.eu/games

[undercut]

The creators of Il-2 Sturmovik present:
Maddox Simulations: Battle of Britain!!!!!! THATS it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I agree, this is perfect.

[Les]

Using the name Oleg Maddox in the main title doesn't seem approriate to me, for reasons already stated, among others.

Maddox Games would be alright IMO, ie. 'Maddox Games Presents'.

I think IL-2 in the main title should be avoided, for varying reasons, but should definitely be included around the main title, ie. 'From the creators of the award-winning IL-2 Sturmovik Series'.

It could be a combination of both, but for the main title, I think it should either be purely descriptive and functional, or purely creative and enigmatic. That is, it should just tell you straight up what's in the box, or it should make you wonder what is.

'Storm of War' does neither of these things for me, and has a lot of negatives in other regards too.

As for aiming the main title at casual game-players, it may catch a few new customers but could easily result in too much of a compromise of the other elements the title should have, and I personally have little time or respect for such forms of advertizing.

I've come up with a few typical sounding titles that I myself think are alright, and which I could even attempt to justify in various ways, but I doubt they'd be considered, and again, I'm not really interested in any of those Air/Sky/Cloud/Fighter/War type variations, it's been done to death IMO.

Going off on a different tangent, the latest one I've been thinking of is - AVSIM+

This is obviously one of the more purely functional titles. It does have something of an enigmatic aspect to it as well though. People in the know will understand it's an AViation SIMulation, but most people wouldn't. And those who get the AVSIM bit, won't know just by the title what the PLUS or + bit means, and so may be drawn to find out. What that plus refers to of course is the combat aspect that is lacking in general aviation sims, and it could also refer to the non-flying combat elements that this new series has the potential to include (and will include to some limited extent right from the start).

Anyway, at the end of the day, I'm not really into marketing (obviously) and I don't care too much what it's called. I can say though, there's no variation on 'Storm of War' that I'll be able to talk out loud about with anyone in the general populace. 'Storm of War' or 'S.O.W' or 'sow' (ffs) just sound embarrasing to me when I actually say them out loud. But that's just me, people can try that for themselves and make up their own minds about that.

P.S.

The first installment inthe series doesn't have to be call 'Battle of Britain' either, it could just be called 'Britain 1940'.

So, you'd have something like this (with or without the first two lines)-

From the creators of the award-winning IL-2 Sturmovik series


Maddox Games Presents

AvSim+

Britain 1940


:grin:

[Immermann]

Maddox Games Presents

AvSim+

Britain 1940[/CENTER]


:grin:

This title would be too neutered and watered down. It doesn't really grab you.
"Battle of Brittain" tells you exactly what it's about.
"Brittain 1940" could be an old travel report.

And AvSim+ sounds like a nutritional supplement. ;)

The great George Carlin had it right:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNk_kzQCclo&playnext=1&list=PL7F698BF0D8AB13C6&index=5

[ZaltysZ]

I agree, this is perfect.

The creators of Il-2 Sturmovik present:
Maddox Simulations: Battle of Britain


Doesn't look too bad either. :)

Try to abbreviate: Maddox Simulations = MS (M$?) :-P To some people this combination of letters is like curse word.

Not only the name must be good, but abbreviation too, because abbreviation is what is used 90% of time.

[Richie]

I think with the above title and some fantastic box art we'll have them hooked

[Bobb4]

From the creators of Il2
Storm of War - Battle of Britain

It has been talked about since November 2006 and now suddenly a need for a name change?
Have I missed something? :)

[Bobb4]

Completely agree with you. I was against such name, but it isn't my decision....
I already had a problem answering interview questions of journalists... I didn't understand them about what is speech... or the new in this area journalists simply was asking some time absolutely not in theme questions due to this mix.
So I personally say Battle of Britain... without Il-2 and other things...
In English it has a bit other name, but anyway with Il-2 as the main.....
Using already world well known Storm of War as a name of new series and just adding the line
'from the creators of award-winning Il-2 sturmovik series' would be way better really. If someone dislike short SoW sounding not so nice then simply better to make other name... Hope publisher will read it. Anyway I may disagree with the name Il-2 for the completely new series, but final decision - from publisher.


I will try to speak to big guys that to find solution....

Ah hah

[Richie]

This title would be too neutered and watered down. It doesn't really grab you.
"Battle of Brittain" tells you exactly what it's about.
"Brittain 1940" could be an old travel report.

And AvSim+ sounds like a nutritional supplement. ;)

The great George Carlin had it right:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNk_kzQCclo&playnext=1&list=PL7F698BF0D8AB13C6&index=5

I love it Immermann. I'm here filling out my time card for work and I'm chuckling all the way threw it....Thanks for putting this up.

[Triggaaar]

STORM OF WAR SERIES
(Legendary Battles of WWII)
Battle of Britain
By the team that gave you
IL-2 SturmovikWe can't really have WWII as a heading to stick with each release, since it doesn't apply to campaigns like Korea.

Maddox Games
Storm Of War
Part One
The Battle Of BritainI like the look of this, but using 'part one, part two' etc would only work for me if the series was released in chronological order. If part three was korea, then part four was the pacific it would seem odd to me.

There has to be room for non-combat add-ons. Therefore '...War' is not suitable.

If there is eventually to be a tank add-on, and civlian aircraft, then the name shouldn't exclude these.Surely any 'add-on' will be part of the theatre of war, otherwise it won't be an add-on. You can't have someone popping over to Paris in their Cesna suddenly seeing a squadron of 109s heading towards them.

Using the name Oleg Maddox in the main title doesn't seem approriate to me, for reasons already stated, among others.It was ok for Sid Meier, and Oleg's name is similarly linked with a quality genre.

for the main title, I think it should either be purely descriptive and functional, or purely creative and enigmatic. That is, it should just tell you straight up what's in the box, or it should make you wonder what is.

'Storm of War' does neither of these things for me, and has a lot of negatives in other regards too.I understand your point about the title being either descriptive or creative, and I think it Battle of Britain is included with Storm of War then it is descriptive. When future releases are made, the name Storm of War will be known, so it will already be descriptive regardless of which release it is.

I can say though, there's no variation on 'Storm of War' that I'll be able to talk out loud about with anyone in the general populace. 'Storm of War' or 'S.O.W' or 'sow' (ffs) just sound embarrasing to me when I actually say them out loud.'sow' is awful, but then we all know better than to talk to the general populace about the geeky flight sim we play. If you're going to tell a non geek about the game, you don't use the title. I never told anyone about 'IL2', I just said a WWII flight sim. AvSim+ wouldn't be any better in that respect (although I have nothing against the name).

Try to abbreviate: Maddox Simulations = MS (M$?) :-P To some people this combination of letters is like curse word.

Not only the name must be good, but abbreviation too, because abbreviation is what is used 90% of time.Good point.

From the creators of Il2
Storm of War - Battle of Britain

It has been talked about since November 2006 and now suddenly a need for a name change?
Have I missed something? :)Indeed :) This is just right to me, and most people in this thread seem to go along with this basic idea.

[JG52Uther]

From the creators of Il2
Storm of War - Battle of Britain

It has been talked about since November 2006 and now suddenly a need for a name change?
Have I missed something? :)
Because, if ubi is involved,it sounds like they want to call it il2...

[Triggaaar]

The great George Carlin had it right:Mmm, wel the first half was good, but it seems he stopped thinking and just started spouting drivle by the end. A bit OT though.

[Romanator21]

It's 1C-Softclub that wanted to call it "IL-2", not Ubi, as far as we know.


From the creators of Il2
Storm of War - Battle of Britain


Perfect - keep it nice and simple!!

(OMG was obviously a joke, but hey, it could work :) )

[the Dutchman]

1CiL-2SoWBoB......simple.

[Hood]

Oleg Maddox presents

THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN

Storm of War series

From the creaters of IL2: Forgotten Battles


With appropriate text and graphics and a lovely picture blah blah blah. Inspiration taken from the Pacific Fighters box art. the Storm of War bit is to build brand awareness if that's what they want to do.

replace The Battle of Britain with Kämpfen um dem Scheißekanal for the German version.


Hood

[Triggaaar]

replace The Battle of Britain with Kämpfen um dem Scheißekanal for the German version.lol

[N2O]

By the way, Oleg threatened to lay out (today) this Friday video from presentation
Oleg, au-uuu...

[Trumper]

By the way, Oleg threatened to lay out (today) this Friday video from presentation
Oleg, au-uuu...

Sorry,what do you mean? He did say there may not be an update as they are really busy.

[Hecke]

Sorry,what do you mean? He did say there may not be an update as they are really busy.

That was last week.

[N2O]

Sorry,what do you mean? He did say there may not be an update as they are really busy.

"Next week probably we will be unable to post anything, but after next week - will try to post some new video and shots. But don't ask for each week video! That procedure takes some time that we haven't really!" - 29.10.2010 ;) : http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=193584&postcount=1

"after next week" - today :)

[David603]

Oleg had videos for the presentation, so hopefully these will be put up for us to enjoy in HD.

[kedrednael]

You forgot

IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle For North Africa or Battle For The Mediterranean

allright, I never heard of that one :eek:

[Richie]

You're kidding :)

http://s158.photobucket.com/albums/t91/waffe109/?action=view&current=Igotyou.mp4


If Storm Of War continues on to North Africa I can't wait to see that F4 and the desert :)

[Friendly_flyer]

Like in Il-2 you may select aircraft and select the country (markings).

I noticed the Bf 110 with RAF markings in the Igromir video also had British brown and green camo. Nice touch!

[Les]

This title would be too neutered and watered down. It doesn't really grab you.
"Battle of Brittain" tells you exactly what it's about.
"Brittain 1940" could be an old travel report.

And AvSim+ sounds like a nutritional supplement. ;)



Dude, I think you're confused, I said AvSim PLUS. AvSim PLUS. This is the new improved formula, perfectly designed to supplement your flight-simming intake. With regular use it will enhance your virtual aviation skills and general manliness like nothing before. Trust me, it will make you go harder longer than anything you might be using now. If you're interested, I can get you hooked up for wholesale prices, straight out of Hong Kong, any currency, just let me know ok...

Seriously though, whatever you think of the title I suggested, and I'm not saying it's great either (and I'm not trying defend it or 'sell' it here) , I think the logic and concept behind it is sound.

I agree it doesn't really 'grab you' in the same sense that other less descriptive titles might, but I don't think it should be criticized for being too generic either. It's meant to be the overall name for a series of flight sims, not just one set in a particular kind of aircraft, or in the Battle of Britain, or even in WW2 (we already have a Korean War add-on announced). How is a more specific name going to look when the series gets as fleshed out as it probably will (rhetorical question)? Even something as generic as 'Combat Flight Simulator' might end up being too exclusive of the content that eventually gets included.

BTW, it looked to me like the inclusion of that George Carlin video in your post was there to suggest AvSim+ is a more euphemistic title than 'Storm of War'. The thing is, AvSim+ isn't meant to describe the content of the sim, it's simply saying what the overall product is, it's an aviation sim. The plus bit could be considered euphemistic if you take it to refer only to the combat aspect of the content, but that's just one interpretation. The phrase 'storm of war' could actually be considered more euphemistic, even in the context of the original speech from which it was taken (ie. don't worry, those aren't bombs landing on your head, you're just in a storm of war...).

Incidentally, I wouldn't call myself a fan, but I've watched a lot of George Carlin's video's in the past (including the one you posted) and agree with a lot of the things he said. Are you familiar with Bill Hicks' work, he had some strong things to say about advertizing (and other things) as well, in a similar sort of vein.

Going to let this subject go now, have spent way too much time thinking about it.

[JAMF]

Try to abbreviate: Maddox Simulations = MS (M$?) :-P To some people this combination of letters is like curse word.

Not only the name must be good, but abbreviation too, because abbreviation is what is used 90% of time.:shock: I hadn't realised that. We can't have that! :grin:

[Ventura]

Some of the pictures must be photoshopped.I saw girls there.

lol!! Hehe!! :lol:

[Ventura]

Thanks for posting the pics! (Great Vid by Igromir, btw!)
..needless to say, my expression would've been a lot different and I woulda brought my Lunch, Dinner, Flying Helmet and scarf! :D

[Ian_Guerrero]

I work in marketing and brand building and after 10 years as a virtual fighter pilot would do something like this:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_HmCTvvlEYvg/TN2OKvQ2oMI/AAAAAAAABZE/fffJX-W_Aac/s800/Caja-BoB-Oleg.jpg

Illustration by Wiek Luijken http://www.luijken.com/

;)

[Hecke]

wow that looks inviting. Good Job.

[philip.ed]

Good job.
I'd suggest making the Storm-of-War text larger (and also move it to the left), and also make more out of the fact that this came from the creators of Il-2 (e.g, make this bolder too).
I think the 'Air combat simulation by Maddox Games' should be slightly smaller as well ;)
I love the work though

[150GCT_Veltro]

I work in marketing and brand building and after 10 years as a virtual fighter pilot would do something like this:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_HmCTvvlEYvg/TN2OKvQ2oMI/AAAAAAAABZE/fffJX-W_Aac/s800/Caja-BoB-Oleg.jpg

Illustration by Wiek Luijken http://www.luijken.com/

;)

Bravo! Looks great!

[The Kraken]

I don't know. Too many Ubisoft logos for my taste...

[Hecke]

I don't know. Too many Ubisoft logos for my taste...

+1

Exactly, One is one too much. :)

[Triggaaar]

I work in marketing and brand building and after 10 years as a virtual fighter pilot would do something like this:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_HmCTvvlEYvg/TN2OKvQ2oMI/AAAAAAAABZE/fffJX-W_Aac/s800/Caja-BoB-Oleg.jpgNice job.

Since the Battle of Britain was about British fighters defending the country from German bombers, it would be nice if the main graphic had a Spit shooting at a German bomber.

[Ian_Guerrero]

Nice job.

Since the Battle of Britain was about British fighters defending the country from German bombers, it would be nice if the main graphic had a Spit shooting at a German bomber.

The illustration is just an idea, not the main thing, I just tried to recreate the order of the phrases and concepts and their importance.

Of course, the image must be a composition that represents an air battle over the channel, so there is no confusion of ideas. ;)

[JG52Uther]

+1

Exactly, One is one too much. :)

My thoughts exactly!

[Daniël]

Here you can find some nice images too:
http://www.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://www.street-gallery.co.uk/images/gallery/taylor/slp/eagle_attack.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.street-gallery.co.uk/artist_gallery.php%3Fartist%3DTAY%26cat%3DSLP%26pa ge%3D6%26columns%3D1%26rows%3D14%26sid%3D%26onsale only%3D&usg=__53A-1iwfev7qBZtaTswOjp14TW4=&h=191&w=300&sz=14&hl=nl&start=3&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=_ox_yBmf01BKiM:&tbnh=74&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dadlertag%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dnl%26sa%3DN% 26rlz%3D1G1GGLQ_NLNL378%26tbs%3Disch:1

[Ian_Guerrero]

I don't know. Too many Ubisoft logos for my taste...

+1

Exactly, One is one too much. :)

My thoughts exactly!

I really do not understand well ... :confused: Where more than one Ubisoft logos?

I only see a Ubisoft logo. Please look at the website of Ubisoft boxes of their games and make a comparison. :rolleyes:

I have only used the logos to be put: the PEGI (mandatory), the Ubisoft (center) and + 1C Maddox Games, "where too many logos? ;)

It is possible that you refer to: "Bull or Buffalo of Maddox Games icon but I have added this element to make it clear that it is a combat flight simulator that is being developed by Maddox Games

S!

[Hecke]

We don't like Ubisoft, especially in context with a serious and high quality game made by THE Oleg Maddox.

[Qpassa]

We don't like Ubisoft, especially in context with a serious and high quality game made by THE Oleg Maddox.

agree, Ubisucks , I hope not be DRM in Storm of War and other sims of OM

[Necrobaron]

That box art is gorgeous!
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[Jaguar]

The illustration is just an idea, not the main thing, I just tried to recreate the order of the phrases and concepts and their importance.

Of course, the image must be a composition that represents an air battle over the channel, so there is no confusion of ideas. ;)


This is one of the better use of phrases and concepts I have seen so far. The problem with the other critics is a case of Viva Yo!

I like it reguardless of the ubisoft logos. No one knows right now who the publisher will be. So thier reaction is not toward your work. At least I hope not. Bravo!

[The Kraken]

I really do not understand well ... :confused: Where more than one Ubisoft logos?

Sorry for the confusion - as people have explained, Ubisoft is not the most popular company with some people here, me included. At the moment it's still unclear what the western publisher will be, and with any luck Ubi won't be involved anymore. None of that however has anything to do with your nice artwork, so just ignore that ;)

[ATAG_Bliss]

Ian_Guerrero,

That art work is fantastic! I could definitely see something like that as the official release cover.

Thanks!

[albx]

i think both a 109 and a spit would be better on the cover

[swiss]

i think both a 109 and a spit would be better on the cover

Bingo, I love the UP2.01 intro Screen - should be something like that.

[albx]

Bingo, I love the UP2.01 intro Screen - should be something like that.

i was referring exactly to it! ;)

[Stiboo]

Fantastic Ian

A Spitfire and the Union Jack...beautiful


I would change the wording a little - at the top should read " from Maddox Games.."

and bottom just "..from the creators of IL2."


Prehaps you can do some cover designs for my future campaigns?!!

Great job

cheers

Simon













ps - Oleg, when is the release date?!

[Holgersson]

Being reluctant to scan the 69 pages of this thread, could someone tell me if there are any news or statements by Oleg on "SoW: Battle for Moscow"?

Will it be the next release after "SoW: Battle of Britain"?

[The Kraken]

Being reluctant to scan the 69 pages of this thread, could someone tell me if there are any news or statements by Oleg on "SoW: Battle for Moscow"?

Will it be the next release after "SoW: Battle of Britain"?

There has been no release related info posted since Igromir, neither about SoW nor Battle for Moscow. The latter is supposed to be one of two add-ons currently under development (the other one hasn't been disclosed yet; it may be the Korea sim that was announced some time ago or something completely new). A release timeframe hasn't been mentioned either, but some comments indicated that work is already going on for a while so let's hope it won't take years to get it ;)

[nic727]

I work in marketing and brand building and after 10 years as a virtual fighter pilot would do something like this:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_HmCTvvlEYvg/TN2OKvQ2oMI/AAAAAAAABZE/fffJX-W_Aac/s800/Caja-BoB-Oleg.jpg

Illustration by Wiek Luijken http://www.luijken.com/

;)

WOW!!!

It's an amazing job!