Friday 2010-10-29 Dev. update and Discussion

[bf-110]

He said we would have to wait for it. It will not be in the original release. There will maybe be some civilians, and maybe some military, that's all.

EDIT: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=190279&postcount=320

..

Civilians?Now that will be cruel...
Hope the military can interact with bailed pilots.Either well or bad.

[SaQSoN]

Someone will be along soon to ask you what computer you were running it on...
:-)

Wouldn't be of any help for them, since my 4 years old PC is below min. requirements. :grin:

So, it plays smoothly (25-45 FPS) only above water. Also, I may tell, that people should think about upgrading to DX10, because, the game seems to be more stable and definitely MUCH better looking with it.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Wouldn't be of any help for them, since my 4 years old PC is below min. requirements. :grin:

So, it plays smoothly (25-45 FPS) only above water. Also, I may tell, that people should think about upgrading to DX10, because, the game seems to be more stable and definitely MUCH better looking with it.

So I expect you'll be finding a spot mid-channel to stake out as your own? ;)

Cheers!

[SaQSoN]

So I expect you'll be finding a spot mid-channel to stake out as your own? ;)

Cheers!

No, I'll just upgrade, after the game will be released. :cool:

[Chivas]

No, I'll just upgrade, after the game will be released. :cool:

If I were you, I couldn't upgrade fast enough, rather than trying to test a slide show. ;)

[Skoshi Tiger]

No, I'll just upgrade, after the game will be released. :cool:

Half your luck! I'm stuck on socket 775 for the next year or so!

At least I will be able to skip a generation or so of CPU's when I get my next major upgrade!

Cheers!

Chivas-
If I were you, I couldn't upgrade fast enough, rather than trying to test a slide show.



I always seam to be a step behind with my upgrade cycle and the gamesI play! Maybe not a slide show level but definitely not at full quality graphics. My current rig can handle ROF fairly well so it will be interesting how well it does with BoB when it's released!

Cheers!

[SaQSoN]

If I were you, I couldn't upgrade fast enough, rather than trying to test a slide show. ;)

For my current working purposes, it is enough to run things over the water, where FPS is high.

But, when I start playing this game, I'll buy me a new PC, which will be able to run it smooth at any place in the game. :cool:

[SlipBall]

quote
Originally Posted by major_setback http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/images/styles/blackyellow/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=194521#post194521)
Someone will be along soon to ask you what computer you were running it on...
:smile:



Wouldn't be of any help for them, since my 4 years old PC is below min. requirements. :grin:.


Care to share those min. requirements?:grin:

[Hecke]

Personally I wouldn't updgrade to Directx 10, because it's already outdated.

[Tree_UK]

It would be good to see the same video that we had this week but this time in DX11 with all settings maxed out. AA etc, just to see how it runs and what FPS can be expected, im guessing but I would imagine that 1C's biggest problem right now will be getting this game to run smoothly, thats probably why we have seen no high res video at this moment in time and have no indication on system specs even this late in the day. However Oleg has already stated that there will be a dedicated website, so maybe he's holding back 'in game' finished shots until the website is ready, which I should imagine will be soon if we are looking at a Spring release. :grin:

[SaQSoN]

Care to share those min. requirements?:grin:

Ask Oleg. :rolleyes:

Personally I wouldn't updgrade to Directx 10, because it's already outdated.

Ok, read my comment as "at least DX10". :cool:

Besides, the DX design is so, that each subsequent version includes, or enhances features of the previous one. So, upgrading to anything, better, then DX10 would do the job automatically.

The thing is, however, that upgrading to at least DX10 would require OS upgrade for those, who (like me, for instance) still use Win XP. Which is kind of bigger step then just DX upgrade and will cost money.

[Hecke]

It would be good to see the same video that we had this week but this time in DX11 with all settings maxed out. AA etc, just to see how it runs and what FPS can be expected...

Oleg's statemant to this:

"in video recording is impossible to write maxed out graphics.. I don't know why. Bug. Not all textures loading when you record video file from track.
This is our own program. It is cioponvertation from recorded track of fligth into the AVI of any codecs, that are licensed to user. And it it using the features of video cards. The we should use better video card that we haven't currently."

[Qpassa]

Oleg have you tested recording with FRAPS?

[Hecke]

Oleg, if you don't want to spend the 25 bucks on FRAPS full, I can donate you one.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Oleg have you tested recording with FRAPS?

Last I heard they were still optimising and debugging the code. I doubt something like FRAPS could tell them anything useful.

I suspect they would be using the debugging and optimisation tools that come along with the programming languages they are using to help isolate the inefficient sections of code that are slowing down the sim.

Something like FRAPS would only be useful to get an over all indication of speed. It doesn't tell you which bits are causing the slowdowns.


I would like to know how close the version being put on display is to being finished. I wonder if the missions being demonstraited are on proper maps or have they removed inefficient objects so that it runs at an acceptable frame rate for the demo?

Cheers!

[major_setback]

Last I heard they were still optimising and debugging the code. I doubt something like FRAPS could tell them anything useful.

I suspect they would be using the debugging and optimisation tools that come along with the programming languages they are using to help isolate the inefficient sections of code that are slowing down the sim.

Something like FRAPS would only be useful to get an over all indication of speed. It doesn't tell you which bits are causing the slowdowns.


I would like to know how close the version being put on display is to being finished. I wonder if the missions being demonstraited are on proper maps or have they removed inefficient objects so that it runs at an acceptable frame rate for the demo?

Cheers!

Yes, it seems like there is a bug in transferring all the info when converting to avi (or similar) using their in-house method. Fraps won't help that.

Sigh - it is the sort of bug that sounds like it could take time to fix, unlike a spelling mistake on the instrument panel (for example).

[first-things-first]

Hi Saqson / Oleg

The Buckingham Palace image may be a slight bit off - missing an extra light fitting or two.

See here :-

http://www.westendatwar.org.uk/images/uploaded/scaled/Buckingham_Palace_4067-18Sept40.jpg

I am sure it will not be a bother flying at 300mph or whatever - just thought I would point out - you can obviously tell what building it is. I am sure the AI (Luftwaffe demolition squad) are well aware as well :)

As an aside have you looked at the google archive of LIFE magazine?

Click on images link at google and then search for something like :

london 1940 source:life

The "source:life" is the important bit at the end. Before that just add the keywords you want to search for.

There are quite a few pictures of london - some of bomb damage and even in colour. Loads of other images as well.

May be useful reference?

Cheers

[philip.ed]

From the way I have seen suggested by Oleg, max graphics won't be available because as new hardware comes in, the graphics get better and better.
However, I wonder if, like in Il-2, max-settings can be achieved (e.g water=4) with this value being able to increase as new hardware 'improves' the graphics.
I can imagine SoW might have a similar system in this way to Il-2, as Oleg's motto seems to be "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and Il-2 is, IMO, really user friendly.

[first-things-first]

Anyone can translate the bottom details?

http://igromir.softclub.ru/games.aspx?id=il-2

From what I can deduce it looks like Spring 2011 release date?

[domian]

Anyone can translate the bottom details?

http://igromir.softclub.ru/games.aspx?id=il-2

From what I can deduce it looks like Spring 2011 release date?

As you can read in the "Release Thread"!

[nearmiss]

And because it's a Russian speaking site you think that makes it more officious?

И потому что это русских говоря сайте вы думаете, что делает его более официозный?

Or maybe in French

Et parce que c'est un site russophone vous pensez qui le rend plus officieux?

Sorry guys, no one knows at this point.

[philip.ed]

I agree, take it with a pinch of salt

[SaQSoN]

And because it's a Russian speaking site you think that makes it more officious?

It is not the language, that makes it more officious, but it's name. May be, you didn't notice a large letters in the left top corner of it, saying "1C-SoftClub", which is a game making division of 1C. It's where Oleg gets his salary, BTW. And this is their completely official web site.

[nearmiss]

It is not the language, that makes it more officious, but it's name. May be, you didn't notice a large letters in the left top corner of it, saying "1C-SoftClub", which is a game making division of 1C. It's where Oleg gets his salary, BTW. And this is their completely official web site.


OK. It will be a bonus if it releases Spring 2011...

What if it releases within the next month or so?

Whoops...

Our prognostications are meaningless. Oleg is working on it with vigor. He is probably changing target release dates once a week (in house information)

You can bet he will release ASAP, five plus years in development. He will also release a sigh of relief we will hear across three continents. LOL

[Igo kyu]

And because it's a Russian speaking site you think that makes it more officious?
Official. Officious is bad.

officious - intrusive in a meddling or offensive manner; "an interfering old woman"; "bustling about self-importantly making an officious nuisance of himself"; "busy about other people's business"

[Hecke]

Is Igromir really that unfamous?
I can't find any information about it on any wellknown gamesite.

[nearmiss]

Official. Officious is bad.


You're right. I thought about it later...but heck this is just a forums, there are stranger things shared. LOL

[kalimba]

OK. It will be a bonus if it releases Spring 2011...

What if it releases within the next month or so?

Whoops...

Our prognostications are meaningless. Oleg is working on it with vigor. He is probably changing target release dates once a week (in house information)

You can bet he will release ASAP, five plus years in development. He will also release a sigh of relief we will hear across three continents. LOL

Now, who the hell is Vigor ? Since when is this guy working with Oleg ? :confused: Why would this guy decide when the game is released ? :(


:grin::grin::grin:

[swiss]

Is Igromir really that unfamous?
I can't find any information about it on any wellknown gamesite.

Google: igromir 2010
About 95,700 results (0.44 seconds)


:confused:

[LukeFF]

Google: igromir 2010
About 95,700 results (0.44 seconds)


:confused:

Hecke doesn't know what Google is. :-P

[Hecke]

I'm not russian, so this hyieroglyphic stuff doesn't help me out.

I actually meant german or english gamesites giving news about Igromir 2010, but it seems to be nowhere as famous as Gamescom.

You like numbers?

Google: Gamescom 2010
About 11.200.000 results (0,09 Sekunden)

[SaQSoN]

Hecke doesn't know what Google is. :-P

He either doesn't know what Google translate is. :grin:

[Hecke]

He either doesn't know what Google translate is. :grin:

The same applies to you. Otherwise you would know what crap comes out when translating russian into another language.

[SlipBall]

Ask Oleg. :rolleyes:



Wow thanks!...an eye roll, what are you like 19 or so?:grin:

[peterwoods@supanet.com]

Anyone can translate the bottom details?

http://igromir.softclub.ru/games.aspx?id=il-2

From what I can deduce it looks like Spring 2011 release date?

Translation:

Battle of Britain "in minute detail plays off the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and the German Luftwaffe in alliance with air force fascist Italy.
Flight simulation covers the events of summer
autumn 1940 in the best tradition of the famous series "IL-2 Sturmovik, focusing historical and technical accuracy.

Game map includes a huge territory from London to Normandy and from Southampton to Dankerka.

A single campaign will give players the chance to prove itself in a wide variety of air battles in hot battles, interception, battles, mission to rescue comrades and many other jobs.

Huge selection of aircraft from the second world, among which the famous "Messerschmitt", "Junkers Ju-87» Supermarine Spitfire, and Heinkel He-111.

A variety of multiplayer modes in a single battle will come up to 128 players.

Online training to help you quickly learn the complete course-from the basics of flight before tactics dogfight, computer instructor will notice and will correct errors and flexible settings allow to optimize gameplay depending on your skill level.

Comment:

Much the same as other announcements, (but they missed out the Bf 109 from the list!), no date mentioned.

However, other sources, not necessarily reliable, have suggested 25 Feb 2011!

[Stiboo]

Tally Ho Chaps !

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t50/Stiboo/BoBtitlescreen.jpg



Hope Battle Of Britain includes the following speech pack-

Monty Python's Banter sketch-

(Scene: a wartime RAF station)

Jones: Morning, Squadron Leader.

Idle: What-ho, Squiffy.

Jones: How was it?

Idle: Top-hole. Bally Jerry, pranged his kite right in the how's-your-father;
hairy blighter, dicky-birded, feathered back on his sammy, took a waspy,
flipped over on his Betty Harpers and caught his can in the Bertie.

Jones: Er, I'm afraid I don't quite follow you, Squadron Leader.

Idle: It's perfectly ordinary banter, Squiffy. Bally Jerry, pranged his kite
right in the how's-your-father; hairy blighter, dicky-birded, feathered
back on his sammy, took a waspy, flipped over on his Betty Harpers and
caught his can in the Bertie.

Jones: No, I'm just not understanding banter at all well today. Give us it
slower.

Idle: Banter's not the same if you say it slower, Squiffy.

Jones: Hold on then -- Wingco! -- just bend an ear to the Squadron Leader's banter for a sec, would you?

Chapman: Can do.

Jones: Jolly good. Fire away.

Idle: Bally Jerry... (he goes through it all again)

Chapman: No, I don't understand that banter at all.

Idle: Something up with my banter, chaps?

GRAMS: AIR RAID SIRENS
(Enter Palin, out of breath)

Palin: Bunch of monkeys on the ceiling, sir! Grab your egg-and-fours and
let's get the bacon delivered!

Chapman (to Idle): Do *you* understand that?

Idle: No -- I didn't get a word of it.

Chapman: Sorry, old man, we don't understand your banter.

Palin: You know -- bally tenpenny ones dropping in the custard!
(no reaction)

Palin: Um -- Charlie choppers chucking a handful!

Chapman: No no -- sorry.

Jones: Say it slower, old chap.

Palin: Slower *banter*, sir?

Chapman: Ra-ther.

Palin: Um -- sausage squad up the blue end?

Idle: No, still don't get it.

Palin: Um -- cabbage crates coming over the briny?

The others: No, no.

[major_setback]

The same applies to you. Otherwise you would know what crap comes out when translating russian into another language.

You want to pi** off one of the only people here who knows anything about BoB?

Sorry SaQSoN, on behalf of the community.

[major_setback]

Translation:



Game map includes a huge territory from London to Normandy and from Southampton to Dankerka...



It should read:

'..from Southampton to Dunkirk..'

[peterwoods@supanet.com]

It should read:

'..from Southampton to Dunkirk..'

Agree, aware it should be Dunkirk, translation copied verbatum grammatical and spelling errors included. I have a rule which is never to change someone else's written word unless it's going out over my signature.
With hindsight perhaps I should have added (sic) after "Dankerka":-)

[AndyJWest]

Actually, the French spell it 'Dunkerque'. Us Brits can't get it right either...

[Richie]

Is this it Stiboo?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rKYL0tW-Ek

[Skoshi Tiger]

LOL One of my favourites!

I wonder how difficult it would be to sample the voices from a copy of the video and substitute it into the R/T voice files?

Cheers!

( and thanks for putting a smile on my dial this morning! )


Tally Ho Chaps !

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t50/Stiboo/BoBtitlescreen.jpg



Hope Battle Of Britain includes the following speech pack-

Monty Python's Banter sketch-

(Scene: a wartime RAF station)

Jones: Morning, Squadron Leader.

Idle: What-ho, Squiffy.

Jones: How was it?

Idle: Top-hole. Bally Jerry, pranged his kite right in the how's-your-father;
hairy blighter, dicky-birded, feathered back on his sammy, took a waspy,
flipped over on his Betty Harpers and caught his can in the Bertie.

.......

[Stiboo]

Thanks Richie

watched this sketch a thousand times and never looked at the Hurricane at the start!

To think it was only 30 years after the real Battle Of Britain....IL2 has now been going for 10 years already!

I still prefer the Python sketch - wartime 'funniest joke in the world'
"over 80,000 times as powerful as Britain's great pre-war joke"

Prehaps i've got time to watch all 4 series before BoB is released...


Toodle pip old fruit

[Richie]

So is there a name change with the sim? "IL-2 Sturmovik Battle Of Britain" now?

[swiss]

The same applies to you. Otherwise you would know what crap comes out when translating russian into another language.

In fact I used google to research it.
The translation of igromir's hp[http://igromir-expo.ru/] is pretty useful.

I think you could say:

- Igromir is for the RU market only
- igromir is a rather small booth

Conclusion: Western magazines don't give a flying f about it.

All those infos were ready at your fingertips.

[speculum jockey]

So is there a name change with the sim? "IL-2 Sturmovik Battle Of Britain" now?

I think this might be a Russia only thing since IL-2 has much better name recognition there than in the North American market. IL-2: Battle of Britain might confuse people here in N.A., "IL-2 what's that?" Meanwhile, "Storm of War" has a nice ring to it.

Just a thought.

[swiss]

So is there a name change with the sim? "IL-2 Sturmovik Battle Of Britain" now?

looks like, could be indicator ubi won't be the publisher.:confused:

[swiss]

I think this might be a Russia only thing since IL-2 has much better name recognition there than in the North American market. IL-2: Battle of Britain might confuse people here in N.A., "IL-2 what's that?" Meanwhile, "Storm of War" has a nice ring to it.

Just a thought.

Sure is an option, but it would create hell for the marketing guys, especially if you consider later add-ons.

If they go for IL2 as an umbrella brand, they could use the rep of the original IL which is in fact very well known.

[SaQSoN]

Sorry SaQSoN, on behalf of the community.

You don't have to be, really. I know well, there are people who take everything around them over-serious and I am not one of them. :)

[T-JETTer]

expo in moscow now...
in right corner next title.
"Battle For Moscow" :D

[csThor]

Interesting ... :cool:

[The Kraken]

Interesting indeed... but I like it! :)

[Hecke]

expo in moscow now...
in right corner next title.
"Battle For Moscow" :D

May I ask where you found this picture?

[Tree_UK]

looks like, could be indicator ubi won't be the publisher.:confused:

An indicator? heres a better one, - UBI IS NOT THE PUBLISHER!!!

Over a year ago i posted up my conversation with James OReilly at ubisoft, they dont come much higher than him hes the group brand manager. Obviously very few on here believed me but now it seems that its finally sinking in that UBI ARE NOT THE PUBLISHERS. :grin:

[Freycinet]

Battle of Moscow makes eminent sense as a sequel to BoB.

- More or less same planes on the German side as in BoB.

- A big Russian home market.

- Makes sense chronologically.

- Explains 1C's modelling efforts of German armour and vehicles.

- The Battle was just as important for the outcome of WWII as the BoB.

I'd love it!

[Freycinet]

BTW, to the ignorami (thankfully on my ignore list) who don't seem to know it... - Saqson is a longtime collaborator of Oleg.

[lbuchele]

Maybe a sequel to Theatre of War 2?
I mean,the Il2 picture is undetailed, I´m not sure it´s from Maddox Games.

[SaQSoN]

Maybe a sequel to Theatre of War 2?
I mean,the Il2 picture is undetailed, I´m not sure it´s from Maddox Games.

It's actually IL-10 from FB addon "IL-10 over Manchuria" Russian CD cover.

[Skoshi Tiger]

The big question is who will be the publisher!

This demo may be a ideal event for an announcement.

Time, I guess, will tell.


Cheers!

[SaQSoN]

The big question is who will be the publisher!
1C:SoftClub in CIS and UBi elsewhere.

[Dano]

1C:SoftClub in CIS and UBi elsewhere.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :(

[Skoshi Tiger]

1C:SoftClub in CIS and UBi elsewhere.

Has this been common knowledge (and I've been walking around with my eyes closed! ) or has it been recently announced?

Many thanks for the heads up!


Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Do you hear that, Fezzik? That is the sound of ultimate suffering. My heart made that sound when the six-fingered man killed my father.

[tagTaken2]

Umm...

so that might mean we got the Ubi always-on connection problem?

[Foo'bar]

An indicator? heres a better one, - UBI IS NOT THE PUBLISHER!!!

Over a year ago i posted up my conversation with James OReilly at ubisoft, they dont come much higher than him hes the group brand manager. Obviously very few on here believed me but now it seems that its finally sinking in that UBI ARE NOT THE PUBLISHERS. :grin:

You forgot to say that you have been flamed and offended for it. :rolleyes:

Anyway, where can I get my russian copy from?

[tagTaken2]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :(

I think we could just copy and paste this for the next 20 pages, save everyone time.

[SaQSoN]

Has this been common knowledge (and I've been walking around with my eyes closed! ) or has it been recently announced?


Neither. Ubi, obviously, has more experience, then, say, DT with premature announcements. ;) So, it is rather smart for them to keep a low profile on this, until the product is ready for PR campaign (from their point of view). Otherwise, they may have gotten into the same swamp, as DT with their/our premature announcement of 4.10 schedule. :)

PS Official disclaimer. Anything, I may tell you about Ubi relation to BoB is my personal speculation and has no official weight. ;)

[Skoshi Tiger]

Umm...

so that might mean we got the Ubi always-on connection problem?

After ROF I'm not so scared of always on connections (Not an issue with ROF now). It won't stop me from buying the sim.

Cheers!

[tagTaken2]

One of my favourite things about Il-2 was it's unobtrusive CP.
Plus, picture taking the week off to play BoB when it comes out... oh dear, ubi servers go down like they did with Assassin's Creed.
I still hate the connection aspect of RoF, DCS etc, I just figure life's too short not to play them.

[Freycinet]

So, SaqSon, is it the Battle of Moscow up next? :)

[csThor]

If Ubisoft is indeed the publisher then I'll not buy BoB - unless the russian version doesn't have Ubi's DRM sh*t and I can get my hands on it (and if I can switch it to german or at least english). I am in no way going to endure that cr@ppy POS Ubi uses to punish honest customers.:evil:

[The Kraken]

If Ubisoft is indeed the publisher then I'll not buy BoB - unless the russian version doesn#t have Ubi's DRM sh*t and I can get my hands on it (and if I can switch it to german or at least english). I am in no way going to endure that cr@ppy POS Ubi uses to punish honest customers.:evil:

Same here. There's still a chance though that Ubi would ship it without their crappy DRM (like the recently released RUSE). The system doesn't make much sense if it's not used by all versions worldwide in the same way.

Then again, even without the DRM there are still enough reasons not to buy from Ubi...

[SaQSoN]

So, SaqSon, is it the Battle of Moscow up next? :)

I'd rather see Korea in that role. ;) And I hope, this is the way it's going to be.

[SaQSoN]

UBI as the possible publisher is the beginning of the end of the IL series.
Which (beginning of the end) lasts for almost 10 years now. :lol:

[csThor]

Sorry Saqson, but Ubi's policy of alienating customers is not something that's positive. If I may say so - Il-2 was/is successful despite Ubi's involvement, not because of them.

[SaQSoN]

I never was bothered with any copy protection in games, to be honest. So, I don't care about such things. But that's another story. :cool:

[The Kraken]

I like RoF very much and the connection is since 1.012 no problem, because you can play offline without connection.

Sure but the whole point of Ubi's system is not to provide any kind of offline options. Besides ROF still doesn't allow offline campaigns, which happens to be the most important offline game mode.

I don´t know why 1C doesn´t think about direct selling SoW BoB.

I'm sure they do, and with any luck they will. All depends on the contracts though, which we won't be able to look into ;) If we're lucky they are too old to consider digital distribution, and we might get it directly from 1C through Steam (which is as far as I'm willing to go with DRM).

[csThor]

Well, then you better look into Ubi's latest idea. They force playsers to be online all the time (something distantly related to cloud computing) but can't guarantee working servers to begin with. Not to mention that they put a stamp "Potential software pirate" on each and every user. This is IMO simply unacceptable.

[Freycinet]

Pls go flog that old horse somewhere else....

[150GCT_Veltro]

RoF's protection is ok for me because is not invasive at all. However we dream if we pretend a not antipiracy protection.

[speculum jockey]

PS Official disclaimer. Anything, I may tell you about Ubi relation to BoB is my personal speculation and has no official weight. ;)

So, for the time being this is in no way true. Correct?

[SaQSoN]

So, for the time being this is in no way true. Correct?

No, not correct. It's "no matter, if this true, or not - you didn't hear it from me, you don't know me and I never have told you anything". ;)

[Bewolf]

UBI it is then?

Pity. I hardly ever posted here so far. But I suppose I need to say this now...I vowed to not buy SHV due to the DRM. As life goes, I got too edgy not to own it and got it nevertheless.

I will never make that mistake again. The fear of some internet disruption forever spoiled me enjoying SHV carefree like the old titles. I've been always slightly on edge of another server disco. And there were quite a few. If that is the price to pay for copy protection, then this price is too high. I play to relax, not to be stressed out.

Hopyfully the russian version will be available.

Cheers.

[Meusli]

I too will not buy if UBI's copy protection is on the disk. I would go for steamworks though.

[kalimba]

Sorry to be such a newbie regarding all this UBI "protection thing" but are some people reacting allready to something that "might" happen or not ?
Could you explain what would be the worst scenario in means of playability of SOW if UBI were to be publisher ? Maybe I was lucky , but I never encountered any issues in that matter:rolleyes:

Thanks to all !

Salute

[Dano]

I'll buy it regardless, and moan like efff it the CP stops me from playing even once.

An always on connection could be a good thing though, if we get integrated chat, server browsers (didn't Oleg mention something about this a while back or am I imagining it?), online stats and stuff.

[csThor]

I have no need for any of that Dano. I decide when I go online, not some greedy beancounting tie-wearer in the marketing department of some publisher. I do own a few steam games but at least you can stay offline on this one. Ubi is doing cloud-computing instead ... which doesn't work.

[The Kraken]

An always on connection could be a good thing though, if we get integrated chat, server browsers (didn't Oleg mention something about this a while back or am I imagining it?), online stats and stuff.

Those are all multiplayer features, and I don't think anyone has problems being online for that :) Personally I have no interest in any of those things, just like with achievements that can be shared over Facebook and unlock avatars for use in game-related spinoff apps on my smartphone...

[Ploughman]

If it's a problem they'll fix it. DRM is supposed to increase revenue not decrease it, both for publisher and devloper, thus keeping Oleg fat and happy and productive.

Looking forward to maybe getting some more information from this thing in Moscow, and perhaps finding out if The Battle for Moscow is SoW related. Anyone able to read and translate what the sub-text below 'Battle for Moscow' is in that picture posted?

[Dano]

Those are all multiplayer features, and I don't think anyone has problems being online for that :) Personally I have no interest in any of those things, just like with achievements that can be shared over Facebook and unlock avatars for use in game-related spinoff apps on my smartphone...

Of course, I'm only stating my personal opinion.

[Luftwaffepilot]

Hey,

i am very :confused: now.
Can someone please clear up about it.

Is Ubisoft the publisher or not or don't we know yet? DRM -> Keep your sh*t.

[Sven]

Hey,

i am very :confused: now.
Can someone please clear up about it.

Is Ubisoft the publisher or not or don't we know yet? DRM -> Keep your sh*t.

We do not entirely know for sure, but general opinion is that Ubisoft will not be the publisher this time, we still wait for confirmation by Oleg

[150GCT_Veltro]

However, after so many years, and considering that 1C has already make a sort of "official" announcement for BoB, would be nice have some more info about Ubi or not Ubi, release date ecc. ecc..

This sim seems to be more secret than Fatima.

Is going to be quite boring this. Six years of speculations are more than enough i think.

[Insuber]

However, after so many years, and considering that 1C has already make a sort of "official" announcement for BoB, would be nice have some more info about Ubi or not Ubi, release date ecc. ecc..

This sim seems to be more secret than Fatima.

Is going to be quite boring this. Six years of speculations are more than enough i think.

+1

[Skarphol]

It seems lik Ubi owns the "Storm of War" internet domain. Then it is a litle bit strange if Ubi will be the publisher and the game is marketed without the "Storm og war" title. Maybe they will use "Il-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Britain" in russia, and "Storm of war: Battle of Britain" in the rest of the world? Just a thought. I really hope Ubi is not involved..

Skarphol

[Tree_UK]

Do you really think that if this game is as close to release as Oleg makes out that we would not have seen something from Ubi by now, of course we would, there has been no mention of SOW or whatever the title maybe from UBI for years, dont listen to these guys who pretend that they are on the 'inner circle' half of them are full of shite.

[Hecke]

1C publishing the game everywhere as "Storm of war Battle of Britain" without DRM and everybody is happy.

[150GCT_Veltro]

To play FC 2.0 you need also Lock-On by Ubisoft because Ubisoft has the copyrights for Lock-On serie.

If BoB will be IL2 Sturmovik, is clear to me that the pubblisher will be Ubisoft for the same reason. I'm wrong? Do you think that somebody else could sold a game called IL2 Sturmovik in West Europe?

...speculations off course...

[The Kraken]

To play FC 2.0 you need also Lock-On by Ubisoft because Ubisoft has the copyrights for Lock-On serie.

If BoB will be IL2 Sturmovik, is clear to me that the pubblisher will be Ubisoft for the same reason. I'm wrong? Do you think that somebody else could sold a game called IL2 Sturmovik in West Europe?

...speculations off course...

Ubi didn't publish "Il2 Sturmovik: Birds of Prey" for a start. It all comes down to contracts which aren't public knowledge for good reason. The situation with Lock On was different; ED had the rights to do two addons without Ubi's involvement. They wouldn't be able to release a "Lock On" product on their own, but that doesn't mean it has to be the same for Il2.

[Osprey]

an indicator? Heres a better one, - ubi is not the publisher!!!

Over a year ago i posted up my conversation with james oreilly at ubisoft, they dont come much higher than him hes the group brand manager. Obviously very few on here believed me but now it seems that its finally sinking in that ubi are not the publishers. :grin:

1c:softclub in cis and ubi elsewhere.


lmao!!!!

[Jaws2002]

Without some sort of capable DMR, everyone that worked hard for SOW will get robed by a bunch of teenagers that consider it an insult to pay for software, and in the end, we all are going to be robed of funds for future SOW addons.
I have many games that require some sort of connection and it didn't stop me enjoy them. I have a bunch of steam games, ROF, and all the Lock On games and i never had a problem with them.
With the fast connections this days, a game with poor DMR is doomed from the start.

I'd say let them get paid for their work.

[T-JETTer]

May I ask where you found this picture?

http://igromir.softclub.ru/galleries.aspx

[swiss]

Without some sort of capable DMR, everyone that worked hard for SOW will get robed by a bunch of teenagers that consider it an insult to pay for software, and in the end, we all are going to be robed of funds for future SOW addons.
I have many games that require some sort of connection and it didn't stop me enjoy them. I have a bunch of steam games, ROF, and all the Lock On games and i never had a problem with them.
With the fast connections this days, a game with poor DMR is doomed from the start.

I'd say let them get paid for their work.

A one time activation, just like w7 should do.

By the time it's hacked, a ubi-style drm will be too.

[Antoninus]

With UBI style DRM pirates have a better product than the honest customers. A very bad situation. I wouldn't be surprised if big greedy companies like UBIsoft decide in future to should down old games after a few years, so that everybody has to buy their newer stuff.

[The Kraken]

With UBI style DRM pirates have a better product than the honest customers. A very bad situation. I wouldn't be surprised if big greedy companies like UBIsoft decide in future to should down old games after a few years, so that everybody has to buy their newer stuff.

Why wait so long? EA has already shut down servers (http://www.ea.com/2/service-updates) for some 2009 games.

[Hecke]

With UBI style DRM pirates have a better product than the honest customers. A very bad situation.

+1

One time activation is totally OK, but DRM is just restriction for the honest customers.

[T-JETTer]

another some pictures...

[Tree_UK]

lmao!!!!

So you really believe that Saqson knows what he's talking about, your so gullable, the boy is back tracking already. :grin::grin: this coming from the same idiot that was claiming to know that SOW would definatley be released in September, hes not a spokesman for Oleg or 1C.

[Skarphol]

another some pictures...

The He 111 seems to have a swastika on its tail. Interesting.

Skarphol

[speculum jockey]

lmao!!!!

Why do you think that Tree is wrong and saqson is right when all saqson does is post replies full of ;););) and "you didn't hear it from me!"

No, not correct. It's "no matter, if this true, or not - you didn't hear it from me, you don't know me and I never have told you anything". ;)

PS Official disclaimer. Anything, I may tell you about Ubi relation to BoB is my personal speculation and has no official weight. ;)

People who know who the publisher actually is are not going to say who it is, since this kind of information is usually accompanied with a big contract that results in lots of damages (money) if things slip out before they should.

Until Oleg posts a pic of the Game Box with UBI on it I'm not going to believe anything.

[kalimba]

Well....Collective health insurance rates goes up because people smoke, eat too much and devellop diabetes..., car insurance rates goes up because crazy young drivers cannot behave..., we get searched at airports because some fanatic carry bombs in his loggage, and so on....:(
It seems that it is how the world has become, no ?
Honnest and good people pay for the rest of the crowd...
So what should we do about pirating and illegal copying ? Are WE ,the gamers ,going to find a solution ? Then lets watch small companies like Oleg's go down the drain if nothing is done...

Something HAS to be done...It may not be perfect, but it has to start somewhere and then improved....

Salute !

[Richie]

I wonder if the box art will look something like that?

[T}{OR]

Without some sort of capable DMR, everyone that worked hard for SOW will get robed by a bunch of teenagers that consider it an insult to pay for software, and in the end, we all are going to be robed of funds for future SOW addons.
I have many games that require some sort of connection and it didn't stop me enjoy them. I have a bunch of steam games, ROF, and all the Lock On games and i never had a problem with them.
With the fast connections this days, a game with poor DMR is doomed from the start.

I'd say let them get paid for their work.

I would recommend this reading to everyone saying DRM is a good thing.

How to Torpedo Yourself Without Even Trying (http://www.simhq.com/_commentary/all_099a.html) @ SimHQ

I am all in for Steam that allows offline play. But Ubi DRM is just what it is - like the above title says.



A one time activation, just like w7 should do.

By the time it's hacked, a ubi-style drm will be too.

Precisely. There is no game protection that can't be hacked. And when legit users have more problems than the ones with pirated copies, the choice is obvious.

[msalama]

Right... Oleg posts some updates, gets a s**tload of answers in the thread of course, and by the time I happen to drop in we're on page 62 with the so-called "discussion" turned into a s**t-slinging match - which, incidentally, is exactly how it was during the IL-2 days, too, every time there was an update.

The f**k is wrong with you bozos?

[philip.ed]

Some people get the internet confused with reality....

[mazex]

Right... Oleg posts some updates, gets a s**tload of answers in the thread of course, and by the time I happen to drop in we're on page 62 with the so-called "discussion" turned into a s**t-slinging match - which, incidentally, is exactly how it was during the IL-2 days, too, every time there was an update.

The f**k is wrong with you bozos?

Exactly! Everyone whines about the problem of how to protect their anonymity on the net - while the major problem with the net is the said anonymity... You get home to some friend to fix their computer and it's full of porn they never would have bought in a shop with nasty magazines - people behave like teenagers in forums like this as there are no "real" consequences for it as they are just "an avatar" (accept banning if they go to far). Then they just continue to some other forum harassing people in a way they never would IRL, behaving like 14 year old again...

But still it is rather nice - here I can rant about this and being "an avatar", no one can check if I have porn on my own drive ;)

[Bloblast]

Program for game convention Moscow November the 4th:

11:30 Ил-2 Штурмовик: Битва за Британию С1
16:30 Ил-2 Штурмовик: Битва за Британию В4

[JG52Uther]

Hopefully we will have more info by tomorrow then!

And,if ubi is involved,I would rather have a Russian copy...

[Antoninus]

So what should we do about pirating and illegal copying ? Are WE ,the gamers ,going to find a solution ? Then lets watch small companies like Oleg's go down the drain if nothing is done...

Something HAS to be done...It may not be perfect, but it has to start somewhere and then improved....

Salute !

Thirdwire productions are selling their games without any DRM at all. Just over the internet with no big publisher and his marketing department behind them. And they still stay in business.

They should search for a way that actually works, not DRM that is cracked within a few weeks. Annoy the pirates not their loyal customers. Maybe something like marked versions to more easily track them down or make sure that each new patch won't work with the pirated copies.

[mazex]

another some pictures...

That does not look like a backstage booth... People from Moscow, no work tomorrow! Warm up your HD cameras and shoot us some juicy in-game movies ;)

[Tree_UK]

another some pictures...

Nothing on them posters with the words UBI on them. :grin:

[kalimba]

Thirdwire productions are selling their games without any DRM at all. Just over the internet with no big publisher and his marketing department behind them. And they still stay in business.

They should search for a way that actually works, not DRM that is cracked within a few weeks. Annoy the pirates not their loyal customers. Maybe something like marked versions to more easily track them down or make sure that each new patch won't work with the pirated copies.

Well that is a positive and constructive post..Thx Antonionus...
You see, there are options to explore...But it is allways hard for us to evaluate the actual effectiveness of such and such anti-pirating method.
I am sure that a lot of our dear members ;) would scream to death if there was no hard copy of SOW...I've been in the music industry since 1984, and like everyone knows, we do have the same issues:(...

And let me tell you that in the long run, once the business is no longer a business because of piracy, it is the artists that pay the price...and the musicians, recording engineer, and everyone who used to make quality records....
How much would we be willing to pay for top quality sim like SOW ?
What would be a realistic price in comparison to other crappy games that sell for $60.00?
How much MORE money would we be willing to pay to get SOW without any kind of protection ?

Personnaly, I would pay $ 120.00 for SOW if that was to ensure the survival of top quality product like SOW....:grin:

Salute !

[Osprey]

Why do you think that Tree is wrong and saqson is right when all saqson does is post replies full of ;););) and "you didn't hear it from me!"


You must be serious if you haven't anything funny to say about it.

I didn't say either, but I'm certainly not interested in massaging the ego of Tree. "I know a big hitter at Ubi blah blah"

There's absolutely nothing anybody can do about whoever the publisher is, the deal would've signed months or even years ago.

[T}{OR]

There's absolutely nothing anybody can do about whoever the publisher is, the deal would've signed months or even years ago.

From my observations on 1C forums - actually the answer is few months or even a month ago. ;)

[philip.ed]

To be fair, Tree posted the whole conversation with Ubi at the time. Tree's evidence is tangible, where as sasquon's barely borders on credible.

[mazex]

From my observations on 1C forums - actually the answer is few months or even a month ago. ;)

Yep, if a western publisher has existed for many months or years they should be taken behind a shed and shot for not doing any PR work at all for this title... ;)

[Dano]

Nothing on them posters with the words UBI on them. :grin:

Did UBi have anything to do with the Russian release of IL2?

[Triggaaar]

It's "no matter, if this true, or not - you didn't hear it from me, you don't know me and I never have told you anything".No worries, you've said more than enough, and should now delete your posts.

Over a year ago i posted up my conversation with james oreilly at ubisoft, they dont come much higher than him hes the group brand manager.

dont listen to these guys who pretend that they are on the 'inner circle' half of them are full of shite.Mmm.

[Redwan]

Thanks for your interesting comments about the clouds. I have made some researches on the web and indeed it seems that the FSX clouds, although quite realistic, are not very 3D. They are reported to vanish when one flies through them without occulting the view, which is, I agree, not compatible with the requirements of a combat flight sim.

However I’m still not happy with the graphic quality of the BoB clouds seen until now.

They look too much like an ensemble of cotton wool balls and I hope that Oleg’s team will find a solution to make them look more homogeneous in the future.

And I even don’t talk about heaving a complex multilayer cloud system (even if Oleg promised that … but he promised so many things …) like this:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-97-6/figb-2.gif

… but at least I would like to have some realistic looking cumulus’s.

When thermals are active in the middle of a sunny day, the bottoms of these clouds should be more flat, more compact and much darker ! Is it so difficult for an advanced graphic engine like the one used in BoB to produce something more realistic ?

Where are the dynamic wind effects that are claimed by Oleg to be affecting the shapes of the clouds ? Until now, all the clouds I have seen look all similar, like so many clones of one single cotton wool ball floating in a static and boring atmosphere.

Let’s compare BoB and the reality.

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/3228/realityvsbob.jpg

With some little photoshop changes BoB clouds could look much more realistic and I can’t believe that BoB’s graphic engine cannot do that. I think that the poor quality of clouds is due to a lack of attention to the completions (lack of time, budget, need to focus on more important bugs …)

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/5139/realityvsbob2.jpg

PS. Even if I seem to focus on the quality of the clouds (which is quite normal as far as we talk about a flight simulator), please keep in mind that I really appreciate the other great qualities of BoB and the improvements done since Il2.

[Tree_UK]

You must be serious if you haven't anything funny to say about it.

I didn't say either, but I'm certainly not interested in massaging the ego of Tree. "I know a big hitter at Ubi blah blah"

There's absolutely nothing anybody can do about whoever the publisher is, the deal would've signed months or even years ago.

To be fair to you your a relatively new here so you would not have seen the any of the earlier posts regarding UBI.

[Chivas]

We have no verify-able source for the existence of a western publisher. UBI hasn't commented since 2006, Oleg hasn't commented. We have a forum member who says he's talked to UBI, but thats not verify-able. Either way it doesn't matter, we will get copies in the west one way or another.

Hopefully there will be some type of workable copy protection. I get a kick out of people who say copy right protection isn't needed...and wonder what they would be say, if it were their product, and their money people were stealing.

[swiss]

Yep, if a western publisher has existed for many months or years they should be taken behind a shed and shot for not doing any PR work at all for this title... ;)

Rule N°1:
When you start the promotion the product must be available. :rolleyes:
Everything else is waste of money.

[Chivas]

Clouds.....we have yet to see all the cloud variations due to bugs in cloud code. Why all the pictures, everyone knows what clouds look like, even the developer. I'm sure the developer will release the most realistic clouds they can within the restrictions of game code, hardware, and fps hit.

[mazex]

Rule N°1:
When you start the promotion the product must be available. :rolleyes:
Everything else is waste of money.

Internet marketing need no products - it's all about generating hype ;) Just look at Gran Turismo 5... Did they wait with marketing until the product was done? Ever heard of Diablo III?

[Tree_UK]

We have no verify-able source for the existence of a western publisher. UBI hasn't commented since 2006, Oleg hasn't commented. We have a forum member who says he's talked to UBI, but thats not verify-able. Either way it doesn't matter, we will get copies in the west one way or another.

Hopefully there will be some type of workable copy protection. I get a kick out of people who say copy right protection isn't needed...and wonder what they would be say, if it were their product, and their money people were stealing.

To be fair, i posted up all contact phone numbers for James O'reily at the time, if anyone was interested they could of picked up the phone and made the call to verify what i was saying.

[Chivas]

I'm not saying I don't believe you Tree. As a matter of fact I do believe what your saying, but don't neccessarily believe the guy you talked too. I've talked to many people at companies, who either lied, or didn't have a clue.

[Freycinet]

No worries, you've said more than enough, and should now delete your posts.


Could you please refrain from telling a long-standing member of this forum and a close collaborator of Oleg Maddox whether he should delete his posts or not? What kind of BS attitude is that? We're lucky that we have Oleg M, Luthier and Saqson communicating with us in this forum, so please keep your uncouth behaviour out of here.

This forum is worse than the Ubizoo ever was and I'm actually beginning to HOPE that the development team members will just stop posting in here, because it is becoming such a waste of time to wade through all the drivel for the very few worthwhile contributions in here. Oleg, Luthier and Saqson should just get on with their important work and ditch this crap forum, it is just not worth their time...

Sign of the times I guess. People get a rare privilege and proceed to sh*t all over it.

[Dano]

Sign of the times I guess. People get a rare privilege and proceed to sh*t all over it.

It's a sad reflection of civilisation :(

[ATAG_Bliss]

As always, thanks for the wonderful update Oleg and development team. Wonderful video and screen shots ;)

This just keeps getting better and better every week! And thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to supply us with a weekly update!

Cheers!

[swiss]

Could you please refrain from telling a long-standing member of this forum and a close collaborator of Oleg Maddox whether he should delete his posts or not? What kind of BS attitude is that? We're lucky that we have Oleg M, Luthier and Saqson communicating with us in this forum, so please keep your uncouth behaviour out of here.

This forum is worse than the Ubizoo ever was and I'm actually beginning to HOPE that the development team members will just stop posting in here, because it is becoming such a waste of time to wade through all the drivel for the very few worthwhile contributions in here. Oleg, Luthier and Saqson should just get on with their important work and ditch this crap forum, it is just not worth their time...

Sign of the times I guess. People get a rare privilege and proceed to sh*t all over it.


Jeez, he suggested to delete it for self protection.

2nd: Is saqson MG related or not? Anyone knows for sure?

[swiss]

Internet marketing need no products - it's all about generating hype ;) Just look at Gran Turismo 5... Did they wait with marketing until the product was done? Ever heard of Diablo III?

Think they'll sell more copy this way?
No?
Generating the hype wasn't for free either.
Maybe it's just about incompetent marketing managers.
No, wait - it's just a Sony ;)

Last but not least: I would say we got some hype here, what do think?

[major_setback]

Is saqson MG related or not? Anyone knows for sure?

Most definitely. Closely.

Look at SimHQ.

[Romanator21]

Regarding clouds, I think Oleg mentioned some time ago that he hoped to hire a graphical artist/3rd part developer to work on the appearance of clouds after the game was released, as there were simply no time or resources to get them up to his personal standards.

Still, I think they are the best clouds we've seen in a flight sim, and will likely remain so for a while. Though they may not resemble every cloud type in the sky, they certainly do look a lot like some that I've seen.

[major_setback]

Is SaQSoN MG related or not? Anyone knows for sure?




You see the name here?

http://www.rrgstudios.com/EN_04_13_ContContacts.shtml




..

[=69.GIAP=TOOZ]

Well, that is interesting - "Battle of Moscow" eh? Perhaps this is why Oleg said that he would make an announcement about the 3rd proposed release in the series as it was going to be advertised at this expo?

As to UbiSoft being the publisher, well, I hope they aren't because I have experienced the change in fortunes that came with the various releases in the IL-2 series as UbiSoft just kept doing screwy stuff with protection software and so on, and it left a sour taste in pretty much everyone's mouth at the time. However, if Saqson says they are the publisher then I am inclined to believe him, but it's not official til Oleg, or whoever is publishing BoB, says it is.

Also, I really wish people would stop talking so much sh!t all the time about things and people they clearly have no clue about! Specifically, in the case of Saqson: if any of you had any knowledge of the development history of IL-2 over the last ten years you would know that he has been right in the middle of it from the start! I started playing IL-2 in 2003, and then picked up Forgotten Battles a couple of months later when I joined a squad, and I followed the forums closely from that time. Saqson was right in the thick of it the whole time up to the release of Pacific Fighters, and is obviously still involved...
(see Major Setback's post above...;-))

So to sum up, do yourselves a favour and educate yourself before you start mouthing off.

[Chivas]

Regarding clouds, I think Oleg mentioned some time ago that he hoped to hire a graphical artist/3rd part developer to work on the appearance of clouds after the game was released, as there were simply no time or resources to get them up to his personal standards.

Still, I think they are the best clouds we've seen in a flight sim, and will likely remain so for a while. Though they may not resemble every cloud type in the sky, they certainly do look a lot like some that I've seen.

Thats not what I remember. I believe he said he had a programmer working full time just on moving weather systems, which includes clouds. :) I suppose I could look thru all Olegs posts for a link, but I can't be bothered.

[Fossil-Goz]

Could you please refrain from telling a long-standing member of this forum and a close collaborator of Oleg Maddox whether he should delete his posts or not? What kind of BS attitude is that? We're lucky that we have Oleg M, Luthier and Saqson communicating with us in this forum, so please keep your uncouth behaviour out of here.

This forum is worse than the Ubizoo ever was and I'm actually beginning to HOPE that the development team members will just stop posting in here, because it is becoming such a waste of time to wade through all the drivel for the very few worthwhile contributions in here. Oleg, Luthier and Saqson should just get on with their important work and ditch this crap forum, it is just not worth their time...

Sign of the times I guess. People get a rare privilege and proceed to sh*t all over it.


Could not agree more.

This place is like a mass pavlov's dog experiment.

- Friday update arrives from Oleg etc
- We all start to salvitate and devour the info
- We get a few pages of 'Cool' and Wow comments
- A few questions are asked
- Oleg answers these questions (sometimes in Olgish)
- Olegs answers lead to futher questions
- Some members start to speculate/interpret Olegs answers.
- Some residents begin making suggestions/comments/off the cuff remarks to fill in the time until the next update occurs.
- Other residents start snarling at the previous comment makers
- A few broken records turn up
- A few new members ask questions about when, what PC and Copy Protection.
- The usual combatants start sledging each other about newbies questions/comments
- The Forum turns into a mass biatch fest
- Friday arrives we get a new update - Rinse and repeat

I just hope this isnt some cruel psychological warfare test.

If you need me just ring the bell outside my kennel :)

[swiss]

You see the name here?

http://www.rrgstudios.com/EN_04_13_ContContacts.shtml




..

No further questions, thx. ;)

[julien673]

No further questions, thx. ;)

Project Galba

Title:
TBA Publisher:
Ubisoft (intl)
1C (CIS) Engine:
Storm of War (1C:MG) Status:
In Development



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From this site

[SaQSoN]

has been right in the middle of it from the start!

But, not from the start. I joined Luthier (on commercial basis) closer to the end of the PF development. Prior to that, as 3rd party enthusiast, I did few ship models for free, which were included into FB. :cool:

[SaQSoN]

Project Galba

That's Korea.

[Romanator21]

Thats not what I remember. I believe he said he had a programmer working full time just on moving weather systems, which includes clouds. I suppose I could look thru all Olegs posts for a link, but I can't be bothered.

Yeah, that's true, but what I'm talking about (and what others are complaining about) is appearance, not behavior.

BTW, what does "Project Galba" even mean (I'm aware that it's the Korean War sim).

[SaQSoN]

BTW, what does "Project Galba" even mean (I'm aware that it's the Korean War sim).

A name of some ancient Roman emperor. Luthier recently is fond of ancient Rome history. :)

Few photos from the Igromir fair can be found here:

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=65108&page=4

[Romanator21]

Yeah, my google search returned the Roman emperor, but what does that have to do with Korea? :grin::grin::grin:

You guys are sneaky.

[SaQSoN]

And few more photos from the fair (shots made by Oleg himself):

http://spread-wings.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=354&*Itemid=43

From top to bottom:

BoB presentation stand

Ilya Shevchenko tells about BoB

Sergey Karavaev, 1C:MG 3D modeler (Fiat Br.20 and it's cockpits) pretends he's being a Br.20 :)

Ilya Steshov, 1C:MG 3D modeler (ground vehicles) smiling with BoB Su-26 aerobatic plane on the monitor next to him

Ilya Shevchenko misses his family (which is in California ATM) very much. :D

[Chivas]

Yeah, that's true, but what I'm talking about (and what others are complaining about) is appearance, not behavior.

BTW, what does "Project Galba" even mean (I'm aware that it's the Korean War sim).

I believe he's doing appearance as well, and according to the developers, we haven't seen all the cloud formations yet because of bugs. :)

[Richie]

And few more photos from the fair (shots made by Oleg himself):

http://spread-wings.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=354&*Itemid=43

From top to bottom:

BoB presentation stand

Ilya Shevchenko tells about BoB

Sergey Karavaev, 1C:MG 3D modeler (Fiat Br.20 and it's cockpits) pretends he's being a Br.20 :)

Ilya Steshov, 1C:MG 3D modeler (ground vehicles) smiling with BoB Su-26 aerobatic plane on the monitor next to him

Ilya Shevchenko misses his family (which is in California ATM) very much. :D

Funny dudes :)

[Solnyshko]

more here (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=17206) with some duplication

[Ltbear]

Project Galba

Title:
TBA Publisher:
Ubisoft (intl)
1C (CIS) Engine:
Storm of War (1C:MG) Status:
In Development



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From this site

There is one name here that i realy hoped i would not se again toghter with the 1C brand......

mr maddox WHY!!!

This realy realy realy makes me sad.......do we end up with a freaking DRM sim...they almost killed SH V with that shitzaa

my day just got realy realy bad :(

TBear

[Solnyshko]

That page has been up on RRG Studios' site going on two years - also Project Galba (Korea) may well have a completely different publishing arrangement

[Hood]

There's nothing wrong with DRM if it means that the developers get paid the money they should receive. Yes its inconvenient for us, and yes it means those with dial up may suffer, and yes it means that some won't buy the game. The flip side is that the developers get paid and they keep producing great games for the majority us to play.

Don't forget that DRM is only a response to software piracy and without one the other wouldn't be needed. Not everyone is a software pirate but everyone has the potential to be one, and DRM removes the temptation.

If you won't buy a game because of DRM then that is your choice and of course you're entitled to follow that course of action. I think you'll be left behind though. I'm just hoping that if DRM is implemented that it isn't done so in an obstructive way.

Hood

[Ltbear]

There's nothing wrong with DRM if it means that the developers get paid the money they should receive. Yes its inconvenient for us, and yes it means those with dial up may suffer, and yes it means that some won't buy the game. The flip side is that the developers get paid and they keep producing great games for the majority us to play.

Don't forget that DRM is only a response to software piracy and without one the other wouldn't be needed. Not everyone is a software pirate but everyone has the potential to be one, and DRM removes the temptation.

If you won't buy a game because of DRM then that is your choice and of course you're entitled to follow that course of action. I think you'll be left behind though. I'm just hoping that if DRM is implemented that it isn't done so in an obstructive way.

Hood

All i can say is that as a long time modder and player of the SH series the DRM was a complete dicaster.

DRM can proberbly work, but with the extremly bad support Ubi have both on there site and on the phone and mixed up with a semi broken protection system (werry unstable) it will be sad if SOW should end up in the grinder....im not talking about other version of DRM im talking strictly about the one Ubi are using.....

And well if ubi earned more with that, they aint using it to fix a broken game...(sh V is a In house) production.....

Personaly i could live with 10 versions of starforce than one version of Ubi`s fancy dandy DRM...

[Solnyshko]

...I'm just hoping that if DRM is implemented that it isn't done so in an obstructive way.


not being locally connected (for whatever reason) or a server down at the other end is going to be obstructive. Anyway, 'nuff said on this subject. Publisher will most probably be announced later today

[Hecke]

There's nothing wrong with DRM if it means that the developers get paid the money they should receive. Yes its inconvenient for us, and yes it means those with dial up may suffer, and yes it means that some won't buy the game. The flip side is that the developers get paid and they keep producing great games for the majority us to play.

Don't forget that DRM is only a response to software piracy and without one the other wouldn't be needed. Not everyone is a software pirate but everyone has the potential to be one, and DRM removes the temptation.

If you won't buy a game because of DRM then that is your choice and of course you're entitled to follow that course of action. I think you'll be left behind though. I'm just hoping that if DRM is implemented that it isn't done so in an obstructive way.

Hood


What a silly post. If the majoraty of gamers would think like this, we wouldn't have any privacy at all any more. You seem to have no personal opinion, you just nod in agreement like these nodding dogs to every sh*t the publisher pretends to be necessary.

It's not only that DRM causes a permanent internet connection to the publisher (who knows what private data they read out and use for their statistics and other) and as you can see, game servers are switched off already after a year or two.
Imagine this happens with SoW.

And, why is it the publishers decision when I will be able to play a game? It's my right to play it when I want to and where I want to.

[Ltbear]

not being locally connected (for whatever reason) or a server down at the other end is going to be obstructive. Anyway, 'nuff said on this subject. Publisher will most probably be announced later today

sorry...got fired up..... :) wount happen again :)

[Hecke]

Nvidia 3D Vision. Sounds like they want to test SoW with it.

[Richie]

I thought Ubisoft forgot about this sim years ago.

[DD_crash]

I thought Ubisoft forgot about this sim years ago.
After the Grumman incident I think that Oleg hopes so ;0

[Richie]

Maybe our K4's will have a little more poop if SOW continues on threw the war years

http://www.servinghistory.com/topics/Messerschmitt_Bf_109_variants::sub::Bf_109K_Kurf_R st

I've seen this top speed listed in books too and this pilot on "Dogfights"...although who can trust that...says he had a heck of a time with one and you can see it's a K4 buy the covers on the retracts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCGXPnYqks0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIi_j-nZVHg&feature=related

I'll have to try his snazzy maneuver some day.

[dduff442]

No sim developer should consider Ubisoft. Even forgetting the DRM fiasco and legitimate concerns about privacy and ownership, the entire Silent Hunter series is a disaster as a simulator.

Escort and anti-sub aircraft ai are much simpler than air-to-air ai, but Ubi make a mess of it. The sensors are 'modelled' in such a way that they can't even be modded to give reasonable answers, and if 1C:Maddox did subs you'd have options of modelling trim tanks, CoG changes from launched torpedoes etc, and boats would handle realistically.

After several generations of big-selling games, Ubi have never even attempted to fix any of these problems: instead, they've chosen to add more layers of buggy, poorly thought-out human content that might by okay if it only worked.

Ubi have nothing to offer 1C and 1C shouldn't get suckered into offering Ubisoft credibility they don't deserve.

dduff

[Redwan]

Oh ! I thought that I was on the Silent Hunter Forum :confused:

Personaly I think that discussions about UBI's credibility and other ragots, should be held in appropriate topics and I hope that we will keep on talking about BoB. Please keep in mind that people who read this topic are borred of searching a post related to BoB in the middle of all these ragots ...

By the way, does anyone know if U-Boots will be modeled in BoB ?
If yes, will they be able to dive or will we have two versions like in IL2, one above and an other one under the water ?

[Richie]

No sim developer should consider Ubisoft. Even forgetting the DRM fiasco and legitimate concerns about privacy and ownership, the entire Silent Hunter series is a disaster as a simulator.

Escort and anti-sub aircraft ai are much simpler than air-to-air ai, but Ubi make a mess of it. The sensors are 'modelled' in such a way that they can't even be modded to give reasonable answers, and if 1C:Maddox did subs you'd have options of modelling trim tanks, CoG changes from launched torpedoes etc, and boats would handle realistically.

After several generations of big-selling games, Ubi have never even attempted to fix any of these problems: instead, they've chosen to add more layers of buggy, poorly thought-out human content that might by okay if it only worked.

Ubi have nothing to offer 1C and 1C shouldn't get suckered into offering Ubisoft credibility they don't deserve.

dduff

Silent Hunter III is great it's the new one that's trash but that starforce on the disks is terrible trouble.

Silent Hunter III is fun.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/silenthunteriii/review.html

[Blackdog_kt]

There's nothing wrong with DRM if it means that the developers get paid the money they should receive. Yes its inconvenient for us, and yes it means those with dial up may suffer, and yes it means that some won't buy the game. The flip side is that the developers get paid and they keep producing great games for the majority us to play.

Don't forget that DRM is only a response to software piracy and without one the other wouldn't be needed. Not everyone is a software pirate but everyone has the potential to be one, and DRM removes the temptation.

If you won't buy a game because of DRM then that is your choice and of course you're entitled to follow that course of action. I think you'll be left behind though. I'm just hoping that if DRM is implemented that it isn't done so in an obstructive way.

Hood

So, if people with flaky connections suffer and some don't buy the game, how does less sales overall ensure the developers getting paid for their work? By losing guaranteed sales through focusing on deterring people that never will constitute a sale? Without DRM you lose money due to pirates. With DRM you still lose money due to pirates (because nothing ever stays uncracked if it attracts their interest), but on top of that you also lose money by disgruntled would-be buyers. How is that making sure the developers will get paid? Sorry, i'm confused. :confused:

Actually, this is all about preventing you from second-hand selling your games, much to the publisher's delight and benefit. The publisher's, not the developer's.

Which begs a further question i'd very much like to have answered but none of us probably will...how much of those 60 Euros a new game costs actually goes to the developer's pocket and how much is gobbled up by the publishers? I'd guess a pretty substantial amount, since it's what actually pays for the advertising campaigns and they also want to make a hefty profit too. It happens in the music industry as well and just like they broughts us DRM and are now abandoning it, it could possibly be the same way on the PC.

I once watched a guy's interview on the English speaking Russia Today channel, the guy is not an industry name but he's rich enough to build an orphanage in Afghanistan out of his own pocket. Journalist asks him why he's an independent artist without a publishing record label and after stating his activist/political opinion he also adds "and let's be honest here...i earn way more than i would if i was signed for 10 or 20 cents per disc sold".

The problem with this is not people getting paid for their work, that's fine. The problem is that on a sale of a certain item (a music record or a piece of software), people who have no connection whatsoever to its actual development and creation end up gobbling up the lion's share of the budget because of having to pay for over-advertising on one hand and being greedy on the other. Meanwhile, the creators get bread crumps while the publisher damages the creator-customer/fan relationship by imposing artificial restrictions on legitimate customers just so they won't be able to re-sell what they bought and cut into their profits. Pretty selfish on their behalf being such bad people towards both the artists and the fans, don't you think?

Why do you think 1c will self-publish in Russia? ;)

I hope they have chosen some small, independent, flight-sim specific publisher for Europe.
Aerosoft for example would be a very good choice. They published RoF in Europe and are also going to do the same for Jet Thunder (the upcoming Falklands sim), plus they are heavily into MSFS add-ons so they might be able to do some for SoW as well.

Anyway, i guess we can't change anything at this point, but objections have to be aired. We're the ones who will buy this game, recommend it to our friends and buy a second copy as a present for our dad, so i'd say we have a say in things. If not for how this title will be handled, then to prevent possibly bad things happening in the future ones.

[kalimba]

Actually, this is all about preventing you from second-hand selling your games, much to the publisher's delight and benefit. The publisher's, not the developer's.


You say that sales don't relate to developpers and don't influence their income ?

So how do developpers make their money ? I would like to have your input on this ... ;)

Salute !

[Hecke]

Why would UBI let this forum opened if they weren't publisher anymore?

http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/7871043264

[SlipBall]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/images/styles/blackyellow/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=195261#post195261)
Actually, this is all about preventing you from second-hand selling your games, much to the publisher's delight and benefit. The publisher's, not the developer's.


I think that its about stemming hacking...the community needs to change their attitude on this issue, just look how the modding from a hack, was/is embraced by a good percentage of us.:(

[BadAim]

Why do you think 1c will self-publish in Russia? ;)



Er, because they're a publisher?

Seriously though, I understand the distaste for DRM, but we don't know a fooking thing about what (if any) DRM SOW will have.........so why all the Apoplexy? (and not just you Blackdog)

[SlipBall]

Why would UBI let this forum opened if they weren't publisher anymore?

http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/7871043264


High chance they are the publisher

[Richie]

Someone get in touch with this Heinkill person and tell him to take this SOW prebeta. thing down. It is simply screenshots from the film "The German". He shouldn't be listing it on a site like this as Storm Of War screen shots. Look in "film stills".


http://heinkill.webs.com/stormofwarnews.htm



http://www.thegermanmovie.com/

[BG-09]

SoW do not need any publisher at all. We can buy directly from Oleg. Oleg, pass me one copy my friend, how much $?

~Cheers!

[Hecke]

SoW do not need any publisher at all. We can buy directly from Oleg. Oleg, pass me one copy my friend, how much $?

~Cheers!


Yes, who needs publishers.

Oleg can easily burn 1000 copys each day with his office computers and send them out himself. :)

[speculum jockey]

Yes, who needs publishers.

Oleg can easily burn 1000 copys each day with his office computers and send them out himself. :)

Steam's pretty cool, and it already has the built in DRM and Offline Mode as well. Although I'm one of those guys who like to have an actual physical copy.

[swiss]

I'll have to try his snazzy maneuver some day.

The first part works - problem is, you loose too much energy and can not pick up speed fast enough to go after the 109.
At least in the game.

[swiss]

Steam's pretty cool, and it already has the built in DRM and Offline Mode as well. Although I'm one of those guys who like to have an actual physical copy.

Concerning the DRM issue.

1. DRM will be hacked - always. If they won't, the game is a flop.
2. We realize you can protect a game only for a certain amount of time.
3. therefore you need a drm which keeps the hackers busy, but the same is cheap(will be worthless in no time anyway) and doesn't piss off the customers too much.


I like to compare it to bicycle lock.
There are all kind of locks, but with a cutting disc you can open them all.
So what you need is the cheapest lock you need a cutting disc for.

i.e. there are (solid steel, u-)locks for $200 and some for $40.
The only difference is, it takes ten seconds more to cut the $200 lock compared to it's cheap $40 pendant.

I still think a one time activation(plus a check during each update/patch) is the best solution.
The same product number can't be active twice, right? ;)

[robtek]

I'll second swiss idea, there should be a protection, but one that doesn`t leave the paying customer in a worse position than the pirate!!!
SH5's protection was cracked pretty fast and produced the situation named above.
Something like Windows has, with a check for every update and a secondary check for stolen keys on the package would sound good to me.

[pete410]

By far the best copy protection today is offering a game with a solid multiplayer experience (coop is a must) integrated to something pirate proof like Steam or Battlenet.

[Foo'bar]

Why would UBI let this forum opened if they weren't publisher anymore?

http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/7871043264

Easy question. Easy answer.

[Tree_UK]

Check out this vid, move it on to 3.40 you will see a guy flying over the ground, unfortunatley it runs like a slide show :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYYFlTzkI0M

[fireflyerz]

For what its worth Tree, thats probably the best update weve had so far... cheers:grin:

[KG26_Alpha]

Arghhh

[swiss]

Check out this vid, move it on to 3.40 you will see a guy flying over the ground, unfortunatley it runs like a slide show :confused:


awesome!




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0eCPeBFEG4

repost?

[LoBiSoMeM]

[QUOTE=Tree_UK;195343]Check out this vid, move it on to 3.40 you will see a guy flying over the ground, unfortunatley it runs like a slide show :confused:
[QUOTE]

A beautifull slideshow and enough "photorealistic" to me!

Not the final product, as always said, not fully optimized yet, but finally we can see the amazing ground with great colours in move.

Near perfect!

[swiss]

from sukhoi, google translate:

RAM the machine really is not enough - significantly frieze above the city.
From small things:
1)The game is Already embedded server, as was the IL-2.
2)We see the flames from the exhaust pipe.
3) Tips, when you hover on instruments / controls, contrary to expectations, not nervous.
3)To bring down Henke, prshlos very sweat - shot down just long burst into the engine.
4) No 'rubbish' spill out when hit enemy aircraft with machine guns. Guided only by the flash, indicating where it was hit by a bullet.
5) The chassis are available, compared with 'sludge' is very slow - waited forty seconds, probably.I guess he's talking about the l-gear
6) to keep the basic il2 shortcuts.
7) did not find how to keep a record of flight. Trk.
8) This version has not seen traffic in London
9) under a bridge in London you can fly, and as a middle tier of the bridge and under the bottom

[Chivas]

Yes, who needs publishers.

Oleg can easily burn 1000 copys each day with his office computers and send them out himself. :)

That would be great in a perfect world, but pirates would soon be burning more copies than Oleg possibly could.

[Hecke]

The videos look awesome, a real pity that it's filmed with a bad cam.

Looking at the perfect water one question jumps to my mind. Will there be bigger waves, when the weather gets worse?

[Hood]

What a silly post. If the majoraty of gamers would think like this, we wouldn't have any privacy at all any more. You seem to have no personal opinion, you just nod in agreement like these nodding dogs to every sh*t the publisher pretends to be necessary.

It's not only that DRM causes a permanent internet connection to the publisher (who knows what private data they read out and use for their statistics and other) and as you can see, game servers are switched off already after a year or two.
Imagine this happens with SoW.

And, why is it the publishers decision when I will be able to play a game? It's my right to play it when I want to and where I want to.

I think you're funny. It's probably unintentional though so really I'm laughing at you rather than with you. That aside, I presume that you're on the "nodding dogs" side that doesn't like DRM?

DRM takes many many forms so provided it isn't obstructive then I have no problem with it. As I'm repeating myself I'll leave it at that.

Hood

http://upperjames.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/dog.jpg

[Richie]

I would say maybe he had it on high settings Tree...eh? I like the interface :)

[Abbeville-Boy]

Sorry, i'm confused. :confused:

Actually, this is all about preventing you from second-hand selling your game.


:grin: who would ever want to sell their copy :confused::confused::confused::confused::grin:

[Richie]

That's a roger that. I can see this is going to be exactly like IL-2 Sturmovik 2001. Straight Airwar all day long until you fall asleep. At least for the first month.

[Jaws2002]

OK. This two movies are some of the best updates so far.

The game looks bloody glorious.:o:o I'm not worried at all about the slower frame rates at low altitude, in this clips. This is a version put up for the show, not exactly optimiszed yet. I'm also aware this computers they have there at the show, are not exactly kick ass gaming rigs.

The whole game looks absolutely beautiful and the lighting is just superb.

Can't wait to get my hands on it.:eek:

[Robert]

Check out this vid, move it on to 3.40 you will see a guy flying over the ground, unfortunatley it runs like a slide show :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYYFlTzkI0M

Wonder what it looks like on ATI? ;)

I'm just glad to see the video and I'll watch and wait to see how this game gets optimized. The core experience of the video was nice. In those last frames before the 88 went down I thought the cockpit and lighting looked superb. The character screen has blanked out figures, so I suspect that feature isn't quite ready.

Nice to see the video..... Thanks Tree.

[Richie]

It's too bad they aren't recorded right off a track file :(

[Ploughman]

Wow, that bit of video looked really promising.

[d165w3ll]

Wonder what it looks like on ATI? ;)

I'm just glad to see the video and I'll watch and wait to see how this game gets optimized. The core experience of the video was nice. In those last frames before the 88 went down I thought the cockpit and lighting looked superb. The character screen has blanked out figures, so I suspect that feature isn't quite ready.

Nice to see the video..... Thanks Tree.

Looks lovely. What an amazing work this promises to be.

[The Kraken]

Oil on the windscreen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtynupR1-eA

[lbuchele]

In one screenshot you can see that they was using a corei5 760, GTX 460 with only 2 GB RAM.
It can explain the slideshow?

[Richie]

Look at this and follow that link if you can read Russian. guod here says this was all run on a core i5 with 2 gigs of ram on windows 7 witch is great news right? Read Hackl's post then Dano..

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3130450/2.html

[lbuchele]

Let's see what optimized code, a Sandy Bridge 2600, GTX 580 w 6 gb RAM can do for this baby.

[Richie]

Aren't you supposed to run windows 7 on 4 gigs anyway?

[ATAG_Dutch]

Aren't you supposed to run windows 7 on 4 gigs anyway?

Maybe they 're running 32bit not 64.

[philip.ed]

That oil looks great, but it'd be great if it was dynamically spraying. Even if the sequence was looped, which can be possible in Il-2.

[Dano]

That oil looks great, but it'd be great if it was dynamically spraying. Even if the sequence was looped, which can be possible in Il-2.

How do you know it isn't? It could be oil from another aircraft, or the engine could be dry by the time the vid was taken.

[Richie]

Well he sure put me threw friggin torture but now I know I'll be just fine with what I'm getting.

[kendo65]

awesome!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0eCPeBFEG4

repost?

At about 1:46 in this video, when the 110 ditches in the sea, you get an underwater view from the cockpit!!

[dduff442]

At about 1:46 in this video, when the 110 ditches in the sea, you get an underwater view from the cockpit!!

So Oleg is doing a sub sim then.

[Freycinet]

In those last frames before the 88 went down I thought the cockpit and lighting looked superb.

Hehe, you need to work a bit on your aircraft recognition... :)

[fireflyerz]

As a matter of interest, are there any known tree lines like we see in the vid along the white cliffs base near the shore line, it looks a little odd to me ?

[mazex]

Check out this vid, move it on to 3.40 you will see a guy flying over the ground, unfortunatley it runs like a slide show :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYYFlTzkI0M

Oleg you sneaky bastard ;) You've shown us a lot of shots from some stone age build and held this up your sleeve! I want it, and I want it NOW!!! :)

[philip.ed]

How do you know it isn't? It could be oil from another aircraft, or the engine could be dry by the time the vid was taken.

Good point. I jumped to that conclusion too quickly.

[Hecke]

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3130751/1.html

Come on, ask questions... :cool:

[scrope]

Check out this vid, move it on to 3.40 you will see a guy flying over the ground, unfortunatley it runs like a slide show :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYYFlTzkI0M

From what you can make out it looks like Dover has been paid attention to,
The Castle, Western Heights, Shakespeare Cliff ,River Dour, great, maybe i will be able to see my old house at St., Radigunds, My younger brother was having a bath when a Heinkel machine gunned our house, we found some lodged in the hip rafters, which were 8x2 in those days, if they had been the modern roof trusses they now use, he would'nt have been so lucky. Like the rest of you i can't wait, Pills are getting exspensive. Cheers all.

[Ctrl E]

it looks wonderful but the the whole system seems to slow to a crawl when he flys over land.

[Dano]

it looks wonderful but the the whole system seems to slow to a crawl when he flys over land.

Which has been explained... the demo pc's only have 2GB of ram which is not enough to run the huge BoB map, thus the massive fps drop and stutter normally associated with massive paging operations when the system runs out of available ram.

[Flyby]

it looks wonderful but the the whole system seems to slow to a crawl when he flys over land.
I find it curious that the sim should be shown to business people, while using either a system that's too slow to render it smoothly, or by whomever set up the demo without first making adjustments to the settings so as to render smooth game play. Of course I wasn't there. So I don't know what was really going on. It would have been encouraging to see the terrain flashing by smoothly. Who knows? Maybe it was just a bad driver.
At least we can get a sense that it won't be too many more months before we're all in the air trying to do damage to the other side. ;)
Flyby out

Edit, I see there was an explanation of low system ram having difficulty loading the huge BoB maps. So I guess 2megs of ram is the minimum spec.

[Richie]

I'm really surprised it runs that well with that system.

[Splitter]

I find it curious that the sim should be shown to business people, while using either a system that's too slow to render it smoothly, or by whomever set up the demo without first making adjustments to the settings so as to render smooth game play. Of course I wasn't there. So I don't know what was really going on. It would have been encouraging to see the terrain flashing by smoothly. Who knows? Maybe it was just a bad driver.
At least we can get a sense that it won't be too many more months before we're all in the air trying to do damage to the other side. ;)
Flyby out

Edit, I see there was an explanation of low system ram having difficulty loading the huge BoB maps. So I guess 2megs of ram is the minimum spec.

Actually, a further explanation put the minimum at 3GB RAM and they were stuck with using rental computers from the expo company. I'm thinking Oleg was unhappy when he saw the performance....

Splitter

[Richie]

Hmm ...so puzzling? Although in a way I'm glad I could see it run on such an inferior system.

[Richie]

Is this event over now and is there an update tomorrow?

[Dano]

Is this event over now and is there an update tomorrow?

No, it runs until the 6th I believe, Oleg said no update tomorrow, no biggie, we've had loads of awesome stuff :eek:

As far as I am concerned BoB is looking immense and I have no doubt whatsoever that Oleg is going to deliver big time.

[Solnyshko]

Quoting Luthier from the Sukhoi forum
Должен всех предупредить. Компы нам подсунули слегка не те, которые мы ожидали. Узнали мы, естественно, вчера. Компы новейшие, core i7, Nvidia 460, но... Всего 2 гига памяти. Какой-то нонсенс, а не компы. А с двумя гигами, на основной гигантской карте на максимальных установках в 1920х1080 оно быстро летает только над водой.

Так что у нас была дилема. Или урезать установки и разрешение, и порхать, или показывать максимальное графическое декаденство, но тормозить. Выбрали мы второе.


Must notify all. Comp us slipped slightly off, which we expected. We learned, of course, yesterday. Comp newest, core i7, Nvidia 460, but ... Only 2 gig of memory. Some nonsense, and not component. A two-gigami, the main giant map on maximum settings at 1920x1080, it quickly flies just above the water.

So we had a dilemma. Or curtail the installation and resolution, and flit, or show the maximum graphic decadent, but slow. We chose the latter.

[Ploughman]

I'm liking that engine stall in the Hurricane, negative g cut out? The way the prop looks, idleing and then racing. Great.

Bummer about the implications for RAM, being a 32 bit user I suppose I'll have to sell a kid or two.

[ElAurens]

More decadent graphics!!!

A cause I can believe in.

Be sure!!!!


:grin:

[speculum jockey]

Comp newest, core i7, Nvidia 460, but ... Only 2 gig of memory.

i7 Processor . . . BF-109K Engine
Nvidia 460 . . . P-51D Fuselage
2GB RAM . . . Cessna 172 Wings

What were those guys thinking? It's a wonder Oleg didn't send someone to the shop to grab them some more RAM.

[Splitter]

Well, between this and X-Plane 10 which I will also buy, I figured it was time to plop down some cash for the CH throttle quadrant. Gotta be able quickly change the throttle and prop pitch!

SoW better be good :).

Splitter

[Skoshi Tiger]

I'm actually surprised it's running as good as it is.

Compare the detail in the maps to what we've got in IL2. What we've seen just blows IL2 away.

There's a benchmarking tread http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=17195 looking at a track called "FinalDaysBenchmark". Although generally playable, at the start when it's over a populated section of the map it brings most modern pc's to their knees! Compared to what was in those SOW video's IL2 is a barren wasteland!


Well done Oleg and Good Luck with the remainer of the expo!

[IceFire]

Well looks like I'll be buying a second set of RAM whenever this comes out and take this thing up to 8GB :)

It does look incredible although I suppose that those levels of detail will be somewhat unattainable for a while. I imagine it will still look pretty freaking amazing even with some lower details. And keeping in mind that they probably still have quit a bit of gunk in the works and that it will only get better from here.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Hmm ...so puzzling? Although in a way I'm glad I could see it run on such an inferior system.

i7, 2GB and 460 is "such an inferior system"? A quad core and a good VGA? I don't think so, it's not even the "mainstream" system!

I'm glad 1C made a sim that runs beautifull in this kind of hardware, a VERY GOOD system, by the way! Just add more ram to be used by the massive map, etc.

Great software uses the resources, bad ones blame the same resources as "inferior". And I respect a company who makes compromises with look, performance and middle end systems: they are the best in the business!

Look at RoF visuals and performance and compare with this "beta" of SoW: another world!

[C_G]

i7, 2GB and 460 is "such an inferior system"? A quad core and a good VGA? I don't think so, it's not even the "mainstream" system!

I'm glad 1C made a sim that runs beautifull in this kind of hardware, a VERY GOOD system, by the way! Just add more ram to be used by the massive map, etc.

Great software uses the resources, bad ones blame the same resources as "inferior". And I respect a company who makes compromises with look, performance and middle end systems: they are the best in the business!

Look at RoF visuals and performance and compare with this "beta" of SoW: another world!

Well, I agree with the point that an i5 with 2 gig and a nv460 is hardly a crappy rig.

On the other hand, I find that RoF visuals are not all that much lower, and the performance (i.e. fps) is much better... and that's on my E8400 + 2 gigs + 2X4850 with almost all the RoF eye candy on max.

[csThor]

Now these vids are a nice way to start the day. :mrgreen:

So I guess my new system should handle BoB nicely:

i7 960
nvidia GTX 480
6GB RAM

[Richie]

Maybe since this event isn't over till the 6th there may be more cam vids floating around the internet. :)

[SaQSoN]

Maybe since this event isn't over till the 6th there may be more cam vids floating around the internet. :)

There you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtynupR1-eA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EvpTp12IcM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67kAczLHcXg

Also, report on SimHQ:

http://www.simhq.com/_air13/air_466a.html

[Robert]

Hehe, you need to work a bit on your aircraft recognition... :)


Oh SH!T!!!! LOL Quite a bit!

[undercut]

nice draw distance in the 2nd video.

[Richie]

LOL.... I just found it too so I'm putting it up also :p




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67kAczLHcXg

[undercut]

Found One! :eek:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go5IQPpIX8s&feature=related

[undercut]

Control Menu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d7Mx5Khgmo

[Hecke]

Found One! :eek:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go5IQPpIX8s&feature=related


The river looks a bit too blue or is it just the extremely high saturation? 4:12
Terrain looks very very promising and actually I find it a bit scary that it runs already that well.
Hopefully Oleg did't make too many compromises he will regret some time.

[Richie]

I would love to see a pilot bail. Also someone tell these guys to get a 109 in the air :)

[Richie]

Totally amazing photo.


http://www.historyofwar.org/Pictures/pictures_bf109_attacks_spitfire.html

[addman]

Now these vids are a nice way to start the day. :mrgreen:

So I guess my new system should handle BoB nicely:

i7 960
nvidia GTX 480
6GB RAM

HA! Ain't even gonna be able to run EAW on low settings with that one! Check this shirt out:


AMD Athlon II X3 425 2.70 GHz
Club3D ATi Radeon HD4670
4GB RAM
Coffeemaker
Parasol
Binoculars
....Bear!:cool:

[Triggaaar]

The river looks a bit too blue or is it just the extremely high saturation?That struck me in one of the earlier videos. We can't accurately judge colour because of the different things involved in getting that video to us (the video itself, the event LG monitors), but those blue rivers were ridiculour. I don't doubt for a second that they'll be fixed.