Idea for bombing

[TeeJay82]

hey there, been around this forum for at least the last 2 years, i finally found a reason to throw out my first post.

as for Bombing in il2, i find it impossible to hit anything with the bombsight while flying.

then a idea struck my head.

what about adding a "indicated impact" circle on the ground visible at all heights? add a new function that uses the A.I bombardier skill to indicate where the payload will hit the ground with your current heading/altitude and speed

kinda like BATTLESTATIONS MIDWAY style when using the bombs

now i know it wont be visible from inside the cockpit, but then again, i bet the guys flying 100% realism have no problem bombing via the sight, and this would certanly help out us who love the external view (F2)

[IceFire]

As a separate and configurable option I see no problem with that. Sounds like a good idea to learn how to practice level bombing in the early stages.

In the meantime I suggest you go on YouTube and do a search for IL-2 level bombing guide or tutorial. There's a few really good ones that should help you learn the bombsights. I would start with the He-111 or the Ju-88 as those bombsights are predictable. There were some bugs (not sure if there still are) with the B-25J bombsight and the A-20C bombsight.

You'll also want to print out a IAS > TAS conversion guide to help you calculate the speed differences so that you plug in the right values into the bombsight (IAS is the speed that your instruments indicate you're flying at and TAS is the actual speed you're covering on the ground).

And if level bombing doesn't work for you right away then there is always the other alternatives:

1) Dive bombing. There are quite a few good dive bombers in the game which makes putting bombs on target much easier. In particular, the Stuvi bombsight in the Ju88A-4, Ju87D-5 and the Ar234 can be setup so that all you have to do is fly the plane right and you can put bombs wherever the piper is.

2) Skip bombing. I like doing this a lot. Flying at very low altitudes with attack bombers or fighter-bombers and droping the bombs so they skip into the target. Works best on ships but you can do it against tanks and other targets if need be. Need to practice timing and setup approrpriate bomb delays.

3) Rocket attacks. Aircraft with rockets mean you can lay down some very heavy firepower on a target without having to figure out what is going on with the bombs dropping out of the aircraft. Rockets are more direct although not always accurate.

Hopefully that helps.

[Skoshi Tiger]

In B17-II the mighty Eight, they actually had rec films of the target to give you an idea of the release point. maybe having the ability to put similar tracks into the briefing would give a better idea of the target?


Cheers

[KG26_Alpha]

hey there, been around this forum for at least the last 2 years, i finally found a reason to throw out my first post.

as for Bombing in il2, i find it impossible to hit anything with the bombsight while flying.

then a idea struck my head.

what about adding a "indicated impact" circle on the ground visible at all heights? add a new function that uses the A.I bombardier skill to indicate where the payload will hit the ground with your current heading/altitude and speed

kinda like BATTLESTATIONS MIDWAY style when using the bombs

now i know it wont be visible from inside the cockpit, but then again, i bet the guys flying 100% realism have no problem bombing via the sight, and this would certanly help out us who love the external view (F2)

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[T}{OR]

hey there, been around this forum for at least the last 2 years, i finally found a reason to throw out my first post.

as for Bombing in il2, i find it impossible to hit anything with the bombsight while flying.

For everything you wanted to know about bombing in IL2 and much more, look into the manual from my sig. ;)

[AndyJWest]

Yes, download T.}{.O.R.s Level Bombing manual. I couldn't hit a thing with high-altitude bombing before I read this. Now it's almost too easy - until you allow for the flak, and the enemy fighters, and not forgetting the problems of getting lined up with the target in the first place....

Thanks, T.}{.O.R., for demonstrating that even an old dog like me can learn new tricks, with the right guidance. That reminds me, I've got to try out an unmentionable mod 4-engined bomber I've downloaded from an unmentionable mod website to see how accurately I can drop a 12,000 lb Tallboy bomb (you didn't read that here ;)).

[T}{OR]

Thank you for using it. I am always glad to hear that someone made good use of my manual and learned something out of it. This means I didn't waste my time making it, even though mods were behind the corner at the time. :)

[TeeJay82]

:O now why have i not seen that be4.. thank you dear name brother... ill start reading right away

[K_Freddie]

With the HE111, I'd worked out an aiming point between my pilots rudder pedals at a certain speed, which was fairly accurate. Details sketchy as it was so long ago, but it can be done. ;)

[Untamo]

Yes, download T.}{.O.R.s Level Bombing manual. I couldn't hit a thing with high-altitude bombing before I read this. Now it's almost too easy - until you allow for the flak, and the enemy fighters, and not forgetting the problems of getting lined up with the target in the first place....

+1

-Untamo

[JG27_PapaFly]

as for Bombing in il2, i find it impossible to hit anything with the bombsight while flying.


Hi there, TeeJay. In fact level bombing in IL2 is very easy and predicteble compared to how it was in real-life. All a matter of having the right approach and training. I consistently kill single tanks from 8000m flying a HE111 or JU88. In real-life, this level of accuracy was and will never be possible using unguided bombs though.

S!

[HanneG]

what about adding a "indicated impact" circle on the ground visible at all heights? add a new function that uses the A.I bombardier skill to indicate where the payload will hit the ground with your current heading/altitude and speed


You have pretty accurately described how the automated bomb sights in this game work :D

All you need to do is dial in altitude and speed of your choice and then match them with your plane. Once there, engage auto-level, peek through the sight, make minor adjustments via trim if necessary and wait for the bombs to be released.

I daresay you have never played this game till you have dropped a pair of 4000lbs eggs from 20k ft onto an assembly of taxying enemy bombers :D

[KG26_Alpha]

Hi there, TeeJay. In fact level bombing in IL2 is very easy and predicteble compared to how it was in real-life. All a matter of having the right approach and training. I consistently kill single tanks from 8000m flying a HE111 or JU88. In real-life, this level of accuracy was and will never be possible using unguided bombs though.

S!

You must have good eye sight or its a huge tank from that altitude 8000m, perhaps you mean 8000ft.

:confused:

[JG27_PapaFly]

:) I mean 8000m. Those are heavily armoured regular size tanks the likes of PIV and T34. You need the right technique.

Check out the top 5 best bomber pilots in the AWII online war: my level bombing students and me are among them (JG7_DzNuts and II/JG7_PanMisio).

http://war.by-airforce.com/best.php?army=0

When I'm home I shall post a track of a tankkill from 8000m.

BTW we're also recruiting sticks who want to become level bombing pros.
It's hard to get folks interested in bombing, but once they fly a bombrun with us they get addicted and it's hard to get them back into fighters again. :wink:

[JG27_PapaFly]

Here you go m8. Two tracks of very high alt precision bombing, flown in a clean 4.09.

HE111 tankkill from 8000m, using SC500 bombs. The tank is actually not even visible from that alt, i had to mark it with white blankets.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/6k3wxfseyen4kke/JG27_PapaFly_8000m_tankkill.ntrk

This one is fun: it's starting with the drop sequence from a sortie i flew in the AWII online war. It's a JU88 bombrun at 8000m. Anyway, the red fighters were waiting for me at lower alt, so i surprised them, passing above their heads, killing the targets in front of their eyes, and making a safe escape to land. While I landed, one of them even managed to kill himself trying to get me.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/a4glfo3oosoledr/JG27_PapaFly_8000m_bombrun_and_LOL.ntrk

As I said, interested pilots can join us and will be taught that stuff.

S!

[Qpassa]

I always see you Papa attacking the ppl which have take off in less than half minute ( GRIJ server) :P

[KG26_Alpha]

You must have good eye sight or its a huge tank from that altitude 8000m, perhaps you mean 8000ft.

:confused:


Here you go m8. Two tracks of very high alt precision bombing, flown in a clean 4.09.

HE111 tankkill from 8000m, using SC500 bombs. The tank is actually not even visible from that alt, i had to mark it with white blankets.
!

Which is my point entirely .............. POINTLESS

:rolleyes:


I always see you Papa attacking the ppl which have take off in less than half minute ( GRIJ server) :P

Nearly all "online war" bomber pilots head to target as low as possible hit and run, land and leave mission to collect their points asap.

[JG27_PapaFly]

I always see you Papa attacking the ppl which have take off in less than half minute ( GRIJ server) :P

Read the server rules m8. You are airborne, you are a target, except if you have nav lights on and want to land. My wingman and I invest in gaining a tactical advantage, and you guys invest nothing in protecting your base. So you die a lot. We're actually on grij to specifically train gunnery. That server offers lots of shooting opportunities per hour, which is quite unusual for a fullreal server.

To Alpha: of course bombing a single tank is nothing I'd do in a campaign, but killing single tanks from 8000m is a nice training tool. Also good for competitions ;)
Honestly, most tankkills i did in the campaign were with levelbombing using SC500 bombs from 3000-4000m of altitude. I clearly see the tanks from there, the attack is less risky, and the accuracy is actually better than what can be achieved with divebombing. Although i like divebombing and have my own optimized divebombing approaches. I did all my strategic bombing in AWII from a minimum of 6000m to avoid AAA and allow my escort/sweep to operate at their optimum altitude. By the time the AAA has woken up from its sleeptime, i have long dropped my bombs and already set heading for home. BTW all blue top bombers in AW operate almost exclusively from high altitude during strategic attacks.

S!

[KG26_Alpha]

I was posting a long reply

I lost interest and gave up ..............

Have fun :)