Flying Russian tank pic real?

[katdogfizzow]

No way right?!


http://englishrussia.com/images/weird_tanks/7.jpg


Source:

http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2007/06/07/977/

[DD_crash]

No way right?!


http://englishrussia.com/images/weird_tanks/7.jpg


Source:

http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2007/06/07/977/

YES its real. :)

[Romanator21]

It's a small tank, and the turret was removed to save weight - it would have been operationally useless, and that's one reason why the project was abandoned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_A-40

[winny]

It's a small tank, and the turret was removed to save weight - it would have been operationally useless, and that's one reason why the project was abandoned.


:) I'm guessing that's the only reason they needed

[Oleg Maddox]

It's a small tank, and the turret was removed to save weight - it would have been operationally useless, and that's one reason why the project was abandoned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_A-40

There is repeatable mistake in description
It was tested with the turret (gun), but without shells inside and half of fuel load to save weigh for the trials and to make it easy take off for the first ever use.
It was found that Soviet VVS have not free and prepared for this purpose aircraft to tug this system without problems of too much using fuel withe small speed and on enough high altitude (but not over the top of the forest). There was experiment with two tanks onboard under TB-3... so..... which is more worse from aerodynamics point of view.
Another and real problem of this project was other: even it was successfully tested for smooth and easy gliding... there was anyway problem in education of the crew to fly in additional to normal driving on the ground and battle.
This problem stopped this project, but not the tug plane in reality.

Simply autors repeating one post soviet time book, where not all descriptions was present in a correct way from technical point of view.

[bf-110]

How the A-40 worked?
It was a regular tank that would detach from a glider.Did it had the regular tank controls and the glider ones inside the tank?
Would also be fun to see it on IL2 or SoW...

[Romanator21]

There is repeatable mistake in description
It was tested with the turret (gun), but without shells inside and half of fuel load to save weigh for the trials and to make it easy take off for the first ever use.

The photo above shows the T-60 without the turret. Maybe it was a different test?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/AntonovA40.jpg/300px-AntonovA40.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/T60_parola_1.jpg/300px-T60_parola_1.jpg

[Romanator21]

Another interesting Soviet creation. K-12 "Firebird"

http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/russia/kalinin_k-12.jpg

http://www.umt.fme.vutbr.cz/~ruja/modely/podklady/Kalinin/K-12/k-12c.jpg

It flew well, but Kalinin was arrested, and his bureau disbanded.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Another interesting Soviet creation. K-12 "Firebird"

It flew well, but Kalinin was arrested, and his bureau disbanded.

After he unveiled that I'm not surprised!!!!! ;)

Cheers!

[Old_Canuck]

The photo above shows the T-60 without the turret. Maybe it was a different test?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/AntonovA40.jpg/300px-AntonovA40.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/T60_parola_1.jpg/300px-T60_parola_1.jpg

seems to be a turret there but pointing downward a bit.

[bf-110]

Another one is the Pegas.

http://www.schofields-flying-club.com.au/newsletter/images/oct06/TP.jpg

It was a plane operated (or planned to be) by the Night Witches,a group of women pilots that used to fly on night raids at german bases.

[SaQSoN]

The photo above shows the T-60 without the turret. Maybe it was a different test?

This photo actually shows a scale model, used to present the project to the Army authorities. Besides, it is heavily retouched.

However, this project really existed and the test glider really did fly and yes, the tank was equipped with dual controls. The glider controls were removable.

As Oleg pointed out, this project proved to be impractical for many reasons and with the war start it was abandoned as many other "advanced research" projects, conducted for the Red Army.

As for Pegas - it has nothing to do with women regiments. The plane was proposed during the worse period of war for the USSR (in the end of 1941), as extremely cheap and fast to build attack (antitank) aircraft with very simple design, built from a cheap materials, such as pleawood and sheet steel. It was also supposed to be very simple to fly. Supposedly, it had to be built and thrown into battle in huge quantities, wrecking havoc on German tank spearheads, while LW simply wouldn't have enough fighters to protect their ground forces.
However, when the first prototype was built, it appeared to be very tricky and dangerous to fly, with very poor performance due to heavy weight and weak engines (M-11, same as used on U-2). Besides, by the time of second prototype maiden flight, the situation for the USSR become less distressing, production of "normal" aircraft started to rise and thus, the project was also abandoned.

[Romanator21]

seems to be a turret there but pointing downward a bit.

I thought so at first too, but what you're seeing is the forward gun station - it juts forward a bit, not up.

Didn't know that was a model Saqson, lol! :grin: I feel silly now.

Another Soviet wonder, ANT-25:

http://www.belarusguide.com/images/people/Sukhoj__ANT-25.jpg

http://dictatorshipoftheair.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/ant25.jpg

The furthest if flew was from Moscow to San Diego I believe. It had enough fuel to make it to Panama or Brazil, but was not cleared to pass into Mexican airspace. Had it been allowed, the distance record would probably stand until Rutan's Voyager :)

Kalinin K-7:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5771/russianpropellerairplan.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6508/russianpropellerairplani.jpg

It was this family of designs that led to Kalinin's demise. The planes suffered from flutter in the tail surfaces, and two crashed killing all on board each time. He was accused of sabotage under Stalin's purges, but the fact was that in the 30's no one knew about flutter.

Another "Tank-plane" concept:

http://englishrussia.com/images/tracked_plain/2.jpg

Another Zveno concept:

http://wexforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/z-1-samolet-zvena.jpg

V-12:

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/3/9/3/0197393.jpg

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/helicopters/size/size-comparison.jpg

The list goes on... :grin:

[Skoshi Tiger]

It was this family of designs that led to Kalinin's demise. The planes suffered from flutter in the tail surfaces, and two crashed killing all on board each time. He was accused of sabotage under Stalin's purges, but the fact was that in the 30's no one knew about flutter.


I think I may have spoken in jest and too hastly.

This man has obviously a vison of what he was tryiing to achieve. He was skilled and was using the science and technology that was available at the time and trying to achieve a goal through his designs.

Unfortunately at this stage of aviation (and even now) design was more educated guess work and trial and error than an exact science.

Maybe if Kalinin had been living in a different part of the world he would not have been dealt with so harshly?

Cheers and thanks for enlighntening me of some of the more obscure aspects of aviation.


Ta!

[Former_Older]

Got to be one brave SOB to test-fly a tank

[Fltlt_HardBall]

This has the makings of another cr@p plane thread :D Does anyone remeber that thread on SimHQ back in the day?

[swiss]

Got to be one brave SOB to test-fly a tank

I heard they train you on bricks first.

[bf-110]

I heard they train you on bricks first.

To literally fly as a brick?

[KnightFandragon]

Weird lookin designs for sure....Kalinan seriously got arrested for designing that firebird thing? Looks awkwardly cool =P

As for the flying tank it woulda been impervious to everything in the air? anything smaller then like a 30mm to the side or rear the hull would be untouched -D kewl