Idea for Friday Updates

[philip.ed]

I had an idea for Friday updates.

Maybe the replies that people can post in the topic should be limited to questions? Sometimes, if you're out for the day, it can take a while to read every-post; especially when a lot of them just say 'great' (which is by no means wrong)
I understand that this is probably a bit too restrictive, so maybe a seperate topic should be opened specifically for questions about the update...or would this be a bit too awkward?
I'd be interested to hear some thoughts ;)

[T}{OR]

You may have something there. A separate thread with questions only is a good idea.

[philip.ed]

Yes, I think so too. I've been thinking about it more, and it could quite easily work. If a user wished to question a poster's idea (maybe if it's already included in SoW or if it isn't accurate) they could do so, but so long as they don't start saying that the person is being overly critical; that is Oleg's place to decide I think.
If this can't work, then you could always quote the person's question in the other discussion thread to keep the questions one clean. I may sound as though I'm over-complicating things, but I do think this can work.

[zauii]

If I understand you correctly you want the replies to Oleg's news to be only questions?(In the same thread)

And how exactly technically are you gonna limit the topic comments to questions? By moderators..? trust by the forum users..? because you can't do it by code(parse if its a question or not).
But having the updates thread locked for only maddox is one alternative and then have a separate topic for discussion, still agree with your overall philosophy though, good idea.

[philip.ed]

There are complications. It's sad to think that it's too much to ask for the forum to follow a certain etiquette...
But, yes, moderators could work if Nearmiss thinks he's up to it ;)

[Ernst]

I had an idea for Friday updates.

Maybe the replies that people can post in the topic should be limited to questions? Sometimes, if you're out for the day, it can take a while to read every-post; especially when a lot of them just say 'great' (which is by no means wrong)
I understand that this is probably a bit too restrictive, so maybe a seperate topic should be opened specifically for questions about the update...or would this be a bit too awkward?
I'd be interested to hear some thoughts ;)

Some guys ll ask all the questions possible hehehe...:grin::cool::rolleyes: Better if allowed one post per user. Then you need to think before post and ask all you want in a single post.

[philip.ed]

Some guys ll ask all the questions possible hehehe...:grin::cool::rolleyes: Better if allowed one post per user. Then you need to think before post and ask all you want in a single post.

Yes, I may be one of those people... :o
That is an idea, but I don't know how it could work...

[Feuerfalke]

Maybe it works the other way around: We make up a thread with questions now, Oleg can pick out 5 questions or so per update he wants to answer.

This way he doesn't need to answer all the questions in the thread immediately, but can think about what he likes to answer and how. At the same time, we can read the questions and answers and if we have new questions, we post them for either the next update or Oleg can pick some of the new questions.

[philip.ed]

Or, similarly, he combines similar questions together. This way, his answer may not cover each question specifically, but still gives a broad-answer. ;)

It's all food for thought.

[SlipBall]

I really don't think that Oleg has the time to monitor both threads...there are but one or two people here that cluter up the Friday up-date thread with multiple posts, I think that they should practice a little self control, there by reducing the whining and post count. If you and another are in disagreement on a issue, then pm is the best recourse.:)

[philip.ed]

Well, this way Oleg can focus on one thread without having to trawl through a lot of rubbish.

[Feuerfalke]

I really don't think that Oleg has the time to monitor both threads...there are but one or two people here that cluter up the Friday up-date thread with multiple posts, I think that they should practice a little self control, there by reducing the whining and post count. If you and another are in disagreement on a issue, then pm is the best recourse.:)

Actually, that is exactly the point. If there is a dedicated thread with questions, Oleg would only have a single thread to monitor for possible questions. ;)

[SlipBall]

Well, this way Oleg can focus on one thread without having to trawl through a lot of rubbish.


Exactly! rubbish...do you realize that last week, you posted 73 time's in the update thread. Most here say thank you with but one post. Some may post 5 or 6 times, but 73! good god man, whats up with that:) are you and tree uk having some kind of a competition meet LOL

[philip.ed]

Why do you think I am offering this then?! Last week I was answering questions from people who felt it their duty to need to question my views and get inside my mind and change my thoughts. People who felt they needed me to tell them everything they asked.
In short, it got in the way of the object of the whole discussion. This week, we are seeing the discussion turn to the correct use of the English language.

Oh, and no offence, but counting my posts is slightly sad... :cool:

Slipball, if you have a problem with me, PM me please.

[SlipBall]

You really need to exhibit some self control, and not clutter up so much. Oleg really does not need to wade through your many posts each week. Start a new thread, as you have done here...oh, and I would have bet higher on that post count, 73 was a surprise to me.:grin:

[philip.ed]

Yes, I think you do have a good point there. To save this topic derailing, let's agree to drop this subject. You are correct, my self control is depressing at the best of times.

[Spudkopf]

Well, this way Oleg can focus on one thread without having to trawl through a lot of rubbish.

Personally I think the majority of questions are rubbish, and then there are the comments about the various rubbish questions that are also rubbish that lead to the very opinionated stoushes like in last week’s update.

It is also annoying that questions that have already been addressed by the dev’s get asked again later in these threads, like the questions about the fuzzy textures, it was explained it was due to machine limitations but the subject was raised several times later again.

I mainly come here as you can see by my small post count to keep abreast of the progress of SOW and the patches progress and hate to have to sift through reams of stuff just to find out what the dev’ teams are up to, fotunately Oleg always quotes the questions he is answering and so all I have to do is search on his entries to find out what he sees as important.

The whole forum is available for questions and opinions and if they have merit they will gain the post counts they deserve and gravitate to the top and I’m sure the dev’s would take note of these.

However having said the above I would go along with whatever the majority of the community wants and as such this type of question should have been posted as a poll thus letting the community have their opinion known , my answer however would be in the negative.

Again this is just my opinion.

[Xilon_x]

you cannot select a post and decide if it is trash or not trash.

you cannot expect that in an international forum they can have all the correct use of the English language.

you cannot ignore of the ideas even if to you you they seem trash while to others not.

this e' a free forum expression for all.
if Oleg does not answer it wants to say that it does not have time for respond you therefore remains in wait.
you want to force Oleg to answer to of the piloted questions and I filtered from you I am not d' agreement.

[philip.ed]

Oleg would not be forced to answer the questions. They'd just be there so that it's easier for him to see (and also easier for the community to see) it was just an idea.
I missed olegs response about the textures, so if the answer was easier to find I may not have asked the question.

[Spudkopf]

you cannot select a post and decide if it is trash or not trash.

you cannot expect that in an international forum they can have all the correct use of the English language.

you cannot ignore of the ideas even if to you you they seem trash while to others not.

this e' a free forum expression for all.
if Oleg does not answer it wants to say that it does not have time for respond you therefore remains in wait.
you want to force Oleg to answer to of the piloted questions and I filtered from you I am not d' agreement.

I agree, this is a free forum and no one has the right to say if a question, comment or opinion is trash or otherwise, however the sad fact is sometimes one or two topics highjack the entire update thread, turning them into at times heated debates that then drown out other genuine questions and or opinions making them harder for everybody else to find. I would suggest in such instances that debates like those about the clouds and ground texture from last week should have moved off into their own posts where they would have been allowed to either blossom or die at the communities discretion.

My comment about rubbish was mainly directed at these hijacking threads and I apologise for lumping all the questions and comments into the one basket.

I for one think those non English speakers who make the effort to post their questions / thoughts here deserve great admiration for doing so, as most English speakers are less than able to do the same themselves in return.

By the way I'm an Australian, so english is a second language for me too ;)

[BadAim]

Oleg usually only stays a few hours, answers a few of the intelligible questions and runs like hell as soon as things start to break down. The rest of the thread, once Oleg leaves can then be ignored. Simple enough. You can also search for Oleg's replies only and save even more time.

[Triggaaar]

You can also search for Oleg's replies only and save even more time.That's what I've started doing, the threads are massive.

I like the general idea of this thread, if a workable solution could be found - but I doubt it can. If only questions were permitted, users would make up a random question just so they could post their comment. I am amazed that Oleg has the time to read through some of the rubbish though.

[SlipBall]

In my opinion, I think that Oleg does read each and every post. He also reads other threads that he finds interesting, or in error. In the end though, he will only answer a question that he feel's deserves an answer, and is not a secret and can be told.:)

[philip.ed]

In my opinion, I think that Oleg does read each and every post. He also reads other threads that he finds interesting, or in error. In the end though, he will only answer a question that he feel's deserves an answer, and is not a secret and can be told.:)

+1 I agree

However, if there was an easier way for Oleg to read the questions, it would save him having to go through a lot of OT posts or posts that are still helpful, but can't be answered really ;)


One person's meat is another's poison, so I think Ruubbish was a bit harsh of me to say ;) (and extremely hypocritical)

[nearmiss]

Oleg and Luthier have discussions on the first day of release of updates.

It is very rare to have discussions with either of them after the first day.

The first day is important... after that it's discussion among forum members.

I don't think you need any set-in-stone styles for responding.

Just have discussions, and realize everyone is due respect.

[philip.ed]

I will of course accept your decision nearmiss. I think that the discussion with oleg and luthier continues if they fell there are suitable questions or if they have the time. I think the pattern is that if an update shows some new features Oleg will answer questions for a few days. Either way, maybe a topic solely for questions would be a good idea? Oleg doesnt have to answer the questions, but it could be useful.

[Triggaaar]

Just have discussions, and realize everyone is due respect.The problem is, there will always be some people who don't understand this point.

[nearmiss]

The problem is, there will always be some people who don't understand this point.

That's when bans kick in

[philip.ed]

I can't repsect you enough, Nearmiss, for your one-man stand.

[zakkandrachoff]

goood idea for friday: 5 minuts vvideo !