Will SoW BoB include all planes or just BoB time?

[Achilles97]

Just wondering if SoW:BoB will include planes throughout WW2, as IL2 did, or will it be limited to the planes that existed in 1940?


Thank you!


PS: Sorry if this is common knowledge that has been asked before.

[Baron]

Only BoB era, to start with.

More will come over the years, just like in IL2.

[Chivas]

The SOW series will end of having more aircraft than even the IL-2 series eventually.

[KG26_Alpha]

http://www.coyleandsharpe.com/gallery/crystal_ball_LG.jpg

[Friendly_flyer]

The list of planes in SoW:BoB is fairly limited, consisting of only planes that flew on that front. Someone will probably be along with the list shortly.

The planes in SoW takes longer time to make than those in IL-2, as they are far more detailed.Thus the list of planes will start off quite limited and will grow as Oleg & Co makes new versions covering new fronts. In the BoB we will have German, British and Italian 1940 and pre-war fighters, light and medium bombers and two trainers (British and German).

[Feuerfalke]

Just wondering if SoW:BoB will include planes throughout WW2, as IL2 did, or will it be limited to the planes that existed in 1940?


Thank you!


PS: Sorry if this is common knowledge that has been asked before.


IL2 did not include all planes.

IL2 included a few planes from the eastern front. The IL2 you know now is the result of 10 years of continuous support, free patches, addons and 3rd party input to cover as many planes as possible in IL2.

So, yes, SoW will probably contain somewhat the same amount of planes from IL2, but not from 2010's IL2FB 1946 Patch 4.09.

[Romanator21]

Don't forget that the first Il-2 started out with only 10 or so aircraft, and was considered state of the art. 8 years later, we have 300 aircraft. Patience.

Don't quote me on this, but as far as I can remember these aircraft are slated to be flyable:

Hurricane MkI (possible variants based on prop - sorry, tiny pilot not included)
Spit MkI
Blenheim Mk IV (aka Bolingbroke)
D.H. TigerMoth - 2 seat trainer.
Bf-109 (possible variants with or without cannons)
Bf-110 (D I believe)
He-111
Ju-87 B-2
Ju-88 A-1
Fiat G-50
Fiat Br.20 (bomber)

Su-26 as a demonstrator of the FM to current pilots, and just for fun :grin:

as AI:

Gloster Gladiator
Vickers Wellington
Avro Anson (2 possible types)
Avro-Rota Cierva Autogyro
Supermarine Walrus
Short Sunderland
Boulton Paul Defiant (possible night-fighter variant)
Blenheim MkI (possible night-fighter variant)
Bristol Beaufighter
FW-200
He-59
He- 115
Do-17 (two variants with differing engines)
Ju-52 (with and without floats)
Fiat CR.42
Bf-108 Taifun

Pretty comprehensive if you ask me, especially for a first release. With 3rd party input it will only get better.

PS- if anyone wants to update this list, go for it, I'm only going off memory.

[Blackdog_kt]

That seems to be a pretty accurate list to be honest, with the 11 mentioned flyables. However, in one of Oleg's interviews (i think it was either the check six interview or his last simhq interview), he stated that they increased the number of flyables to 17.

Now, we all know mr Maddox doesn't promise anything unless he's 100% sure he can deliver, so i guess we'll see those extra flyables. The mystery for me is not if we will get the extra 6 aircraft but what aircraft exactly they will be, because even though an increased list has been mentioned i haven't been able to find any information as to exact aircraft types.

Does anyone have any information on that? Would be interesting to see :grin:

[Romanator21]

That number may include all the possible variants. I think there are supposed to be a few Bf-109 types: two guns, four guns, and two guns with two cannon, as well as a couple Hurricane types: one with two blade fixed-pitch prop, one with 3 blade variable-pitch.

[Feuerfalke]

That number may include all the possible variants. I think there are supposed to be a few Bf-109 types: two guns, four guns, and two guns with two cannon, as well as a couple Hurricane types: one with two blade fixed-pitch prop, one with 3 blade variable-pitch.

Correct, this statement was including all modeled variants.

Another example, why we should be careful with quoting things out of the context.

[Flying Pencil]

as AI:

Do-17 (two variants with differing engines)


Boulton Paul Defiant (possible night-fighter variant)
Blenheim MkI (possible night-fighter variant)


What, the 17z as AI only???!1?!one??

Sacrilege! :evil:

No body wants to model the 17 (sniff).
NO game has ever properly modeled that bomber, NONE.
and yet is was about 1/3 of the BoB force!

BTW, its a 17z and 215b to be precise.

Also, the:
Boulton Paul Defiant (possible night-fighter variant)
Blenheim MkI (possible night-fighter variant)
should be playable too. :mad:


(I know, they probably will make playable in upgrade)

[zakkandrachoff]

What, the 17z as AI only???!1?!one??

Sacrilege! :evil:

No body wants to model the 17 (sniff).
NO game has ever properly modeled that bomber, NONE.
and yet is was about 1/3 of the BoB force!

BTW, its a 17z and 215b to be precise.

Also, the:
Boulton Paul Defiant (possible night-fighter variant)
Blenheim MkI (possible night-fighter variant)
should be playable too. :mad:


(I know, they probably will make playable in upgrade)

yep, Dorniers bomber and defiant must be flyable. And Gladiator maybe too

maybe in the expansion pack

[The Kraken]

No body wants to model the 17 (sniff).
NO game has ever properly modeled that bomber, NONE.
and yet is was about 1/3 of the BoB force!

Well it's been a while...

http://www.guardiansofthepast.co.uk/shots/screen/b/batt/battle-of-britain-007.png

[Xilon_x]

oooooooo the kraken i remember to AMIGA commodore this game continue to generation in geneation.

[KG26_Alpha]

No body wants to model the 17 (sniff).
NO game has ever properly modeled that bomber, NONE.
and yet is was about 1/3 of the BoB force!


Heres a real one that should be restored soon :)

The twin-engined Dornier 17, buried in a sandbank, is the last of its kind in the world.

It was discovered when a fishing boat snagged its nets on the wreckage off the coast of Deal, Kent.

The plane, known as a Flying Pencil, was blasted out of the sky during Nazi attacks on Britain in August 1940.

The RAF Museum plans to raise it from the water next year and put it on display in London.

It said the plane was in "remarkable" condition. Museum director Air Vice-Marshal Peter Dye added: "It is a unique survivor from the Battle of Britain."
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3122896/Nazi-jet-found-in-sea-off-Deal-Kent.html

[Avimimus]

Here is my attempt at an update/correct the list (also from memory).


Hurricane MkI (possible micro-variants ~~ equivalent to E4)
Spit MkI (possible micro-variants)
Bolingbroke (aka Blenheim Mk IV)
D.H. TigerMoth - 2 seat trainer.
Bf-109E3 (possible micro-variants)
Bf-110 (D Romanator believes)
He-111H-3
He-111P
Ju-87 B-2
Ju-88 A-1
Fiat G-50
Fiat Br.20

Su-26 as a demonstrator of the FM to current pilots, and just for fun :grin:
Oleg has a couple Sukhoi engineers on his team, btw.

as AI:

Gloster Gladiator
Vickers Wellington
Avro Anson (2 possible types)
Avro-Rota Cierva Autogyro
Supermarine Walrus
Short Sunderland
Boulton Paul Defiant (possible night-fighter variant)
Blenheim MkI (possible night-fighter variant)
Bristol Beaufighter MkI

Fiat CR.42
FW-200
He-59
He- 115
Do-17
Do-217
Ju-52 (with and without floats)
Bf-108 Taifun


I (Avimimus) predict a flyable autogyro, Gladiator and a drivable truck shortly after release, along with possibly a Fw-190A.

The Westland Lysander was also under development at one point and I wouldn't be surprised to see it as an AI aircraft. They were even working on the emergency ground attack variant (used for repelling Op Sea Lion)

This will be by far the most comprehensive BoB sim ever created.

[Feuerfalke]

The AutoGyro was already confirmed playable AFAIK.

[Ernst]

FW's take part in the BoB, at least in the end and as JABO.

[AndyJWest]

FW's take part in the BoB, at least in the end and as JABO.

I thought they didn't see service before mid 1941 - as fighters. They certainly never took part in the Battle of Britain.

[richardG]

An auto-gyro? Was this combat capable, or an experimental aircraft during BOB? Can't see much practical use for one of these other than maybe recon flights.

[Feuerfalke]

FW's take part in the BoB, at least in the end and as JABO.

No.

The Fw 190 A-0 entered production in Nov 1940. That's two months after BoB ended.

[major_setback]

An auto-gyro? Was this combat capable, or an experimental aircraft during BOB? Can't see much practical use for one of these other than maybe recon flights.

I too have a feeling that Oleg mentioned that it would be flyable. If I remember correctly he mentioned the reason for having it as being that it was used in calibration of sound tracking devises, radar etc.
I think Oleg's other reason for including it was in order to demonstrate to third party developers the potential of the game engine in supporting rotary aircraft.

It will be fun to fly along the cliff tops in one!

[Feuerfalke]

For demonstration of what is possible with the engine without scripting.

He mentioned, that it's fun to fly on recon-missions. Whatever that means.

[Avimimus]

Used to provide a static point for radar calculations.

[bf-110]

OMFG!!!!!
"Helos"!!!!
Cool!!!They will be interesting to shoot down.Still,Do-17,He-115 and Defiant should be flyable.

[Flying Pencil]

Well it's been a while...

http://www.guardiansofthepast.co.uk/shots/screen/b/batt/battle-of-britain-007.png

OMG! My FAVE game!
Back then it was was sex! Ahem, LOADS of fun!
Yes, it is still the ONLY game to have a "flyable" Do-17, although it looked pretty much the same as the He111 and Ju88, LOL (Warbirds never finished its :( )

Good times, even if single player. :D

Heres a real one that should be restored soon :)

The twin-engined Dornier 17, buried in a sandbank, is the last of its kind in the world.

It was discovered when a fishing boat snagged its nets on the wreckage off the coast of Deal, Kent.

The RAF Museum plans to raise it from the water next year and put it on display in London.

It said the plane was in "remarkable" condition. Museum director Air Vice-Marshal Peter Dye added: "It is a unique survivor from the Battle of Britain."
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3122896/Nazi-jet-found-in-sea-off-Deal-Kent.html

Yes, I am all over that one.
Wrote up some articles for historical magazines, hope they get printed. :)

[Blackdog_kt]

I find it very encouraging that the engine supports "exotic" aircraft like the autogyro. Personally, i'm expecting to see gliders at some point in the future.

I went back and re-read some of the previous interviews given by Oleg Maddox on simHQ. He mentioned that the weather model also takes into account the ground formations and to me that hints at ridge lift and wave lift, along with the more common thermal lift.

Of course, gliders of the time were far behind what is possible today, but it would be fun to see a few 3rd party WWII ones. I think it's been mentioned before that you will be able to fly a training mini-campaign in the Tiger Moth. Imagine now if for Luftwaffe campaigns you could train in gliders, just like it happened in real life, but that's something for the future.

As for the current semi-official list, i think it's a very comprehensive selection. If some of the AI aircraft are gradually made flyable it will be even better and the good thing is that most of them can also be used for a possibly upcoming meditteranean expansion.

[Feuerfalke]

Used to provide a static point for radar calculations.

OMFG!!!!!
"Helos"!!!!
Cool!!!They will be interesting to shoot down.Still,Do-17,He-115 and Defiant should be flyable.

You guys know that an autogyro is not a helo, right? :grin:

[winny]

The only autogyro I know of was the one that the germans towed behind U-Boats in order for them to be able to recon the area. I think they were later than BoB though.


Focke-Achgelis FA 330 Bachstelze

http://www.aviastar.org/foto/focke_330_3.jpg

[The Kraken]

Avro / Cierva C.30

http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/wp-content/avroc30a34cf.jpg

(note that this image is from the really early days of SoW development snapshots, and I wouldn't take it as a guaranteed inclusion)

"Twelve C.30A built by Avro for the Royal Air Force (RAF) entered service as the Avro 671 Rota Mk 1 (Serials K4230 to K4239 and K4296 & K4775). The twelve were delivered between 1934 to 1935. They equipped the Army School of Co-operation at Old Sarum near Salisbury.

Many of the surviving civil aircraft were also taken into RAF service between 1939 and 1940. In 1940 they equipped No. 1448 Flight at RAF Duxford. Later they equipped No. 529 Squadron RAF at Halton on radar calibration work. They disbanded in October 1945. At the end of the war the twelve survivors were sold."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cierva_C.30

[Avimimus]

You guys know that an autogyro is not a helo, right? :grin:

Sorry, correction:
Used to provide a staticish point for radar calibration.

;)

Btw. I'd assume that 2/3rds of my predictions are off (and probably won't be in the first product). However...

[bf-110]

Autogyro is an helicopter wannabe.

Also,I hope Oleg add in later versions the R-4 for Pacific,Kayaba Autogyro,Flettner 222,Focke Achgelis Fa 223 Drache...

[KOM.Nausicaa]

NO game has ever properly modeled that bomber, NONE.
and yet is was about 1/3 of the BoB force!


You are wrong, there was one for CFS3. You can still download it from sites like sim outhouse.

[Friendly_flyer]

I really hope Oleg & Co finds references to make the Do-17 flyable at some point, if not for the initial release. The plane was used in some terrain-hugging low attacks which must have been bloody hairy and something this sim should be well suited to.

[JG53Frankyboy]

i would calm down about a flyable Do17.......................
axis will already get 3 flyable twoengined bombers , He111, Ju88 and Br20.
at least thats the last "knowledge".

and in august 1940 , of 32 groups of bombers in france 8 of them had Do17 - the rest was 14 He111 & 10 Ju88

I,II,III/KG 1 He111
I,II,III/KG 2 Do17
I,II,III/KG 3 Do17
I,II/KG 4 He111
III/KG 4 Ju88
I,II,III/KG 27 He111
I,II,III/KG 51 Ju88
I,II,III/KG 53 He111
I,II/KG 54 Ju88
I,II,III/KG 55 He111
I/KG 76 Do17
II/KG 76 Ju88
III/KG 76 Do17
I,II,III/LG 1 Ju88

plus
I/KG 40 Fw200
KGr 100 He111 (Pathfinderr)
KGr 126 He111 (Minelayers)
KGr 806 Ju88

[Feuerfalke]

Autogyro is an helicopter wannabe.

No, it's not. Completely different design.

A helicopter uses a propelled rotor to push air down to generate lift and thrust.

An Autogyro has a propeller that moves the aircraft forward, while the comparably slowly rotating "rotor" acts as a rotating wing and provides lift by air resistance.

You can notice the difference in the axis of the rotor in forward flight:
A helicopter has the rotor tilted forward to provide lift and forward thrust.
The autogyros rotor is tilted aft to provide more air resistance against the airstream to generate lift.

@ Friendly_flyer:
I doubt limited material is the primary problem.

[Friendly_flyer]

I doubt limited material is the primary problem.

Wasn't Oleg saying something about lack of cockpit references?

[Xilon_x]

ELICOPTER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka7Prn804UY&feature=player_embedded#!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Fa330-100503-Cosford.jpg

[Feuerfalke]

Wasn't Oleg saying something about lack of cockpit references?

Doesn't say it's the only problem ;)

[Xilon_x]

this is the first super little elicopter in the world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAInGCaTDRU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KJHc1D-4e0&feature=related

[Feuerfalke]

Looks a bit like this:

http://costumecraze.com/images/vendors/forum/61817-main.jpg

[He111]

The hampden did vital work during the BOB mining ports etc, my vote is for it!

If nothing else it will make a great target for Bf110s! :) Apparently with bomb load gone, it could manoeuvre like a fighter!


He111.

[AndyJWest]

ELICOPTER
This one's a hautogyro kite, Xilon: ;)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Fa330-100503-Cosford.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Achgelis_Fa_330

[Blackdog_kt]

Yes, Hampden would be cool too. We're getting all those radar and radio nav-aid gadgets, might as well try some night bombing over the ports of occupied Europe. Of course, they didn't have that sophisticated systems that early in the war, so we would have to make do with simple NDB stations and dead reckoning :grin: