Do-17z found!!

[Flying Pencil]

There are NO 17z left, even the few pieces remaining of them do not add to 1% of a complete aircraft

One of the most important aircraft in the BoB, and nothing was saved.

But now...!
http://www.wessexarch.co.uk/files/imagepicker/a/admin/dornier_sidescan-wa_02.jpg

[Flanker35M]

S!

Finland had those, donated by Hermann Göring. The planes were used, some had been in BoB. But in general the planes were in very good shape. After excellent service in FiAF the planes were ALL scrapped(peace treaty, Russians demanded we have no bombers) along with all other bombers we had, including Ju88's, Blenheim's, Pe-2's, SB-2's, IL-4's etc. Really sad that none of them were kept. Only one Blenheim IV is in museum, fully restored to wartime colors.

[proton45]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11174324

OR

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1308589/Rare-German-wartime-bomber-discovered-Kent-sandbank-recovered.html

[Fafnir_6]

Excellent news! This will be the only extant Do17 in the whole world. The RAF Museum - Cosford will do a fine job restoring it too.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

[Rodolphe]

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Do 17 Z-2 of 7./KG3 at Saint-Trond Belgium.

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/7KG3.jpghttp://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/7KG3ace.jpg





DORNIER Do 17Z Werke nr. 1160
Built as a Do 17Z-2, with two supercharged Bramo ‘Fafnir’
323P-1 nine-cylinder radial engines; the ultimate, and most
numerous, model of the Do 17 produced.

Allotted to 7/KG3 (7 Staffel (Squadron), III Gruppe of KG.3
with fuselage codes 5K+AR. Based at St Trond in Belgium.

Mon. 26 August 40
Part of a formation despatched to bomb Debden and
Hornchurch airfields. Seven aircraft of the Staffel started to
bomb an aerodrome. Accounts of its loss vary from source to
source; The original PoW Interrogation Report states that
before reaching the target, when flying above clouds this
aircraft seemingly became separated from the rest of the
formation and lost its bearings. It was attacked by fighters,
probably one of the recently-arrived RAF Hornchurch, Essexbased
Boulton Paul Defiants of No.264 Squadron RAF led by
Flt Lt Banham (with their forward base at RAF Manston, Kent)
which hit both engines and the cockpit as one of at least one –
or up to six, as again published accounts vary - Dorniers
brought down by the Defiants, who lost three of their number to
defending Bf109s. At around 13.40 hours the aircraft forcelanded
on Goodwin Sands off the eastern Kentish coast at low
tide. Of the four crew, two (Wounded Pilot Feldwebel Willi
Effmert, and Bomb Aimer Uffz Hermann Ritzel) became
Prisoners-of-War in Canada and two (27-year old Wireless
Operator Unteroffizier Helmut Reinhardt and 21-year old
Bomb aimer Gefreiter Heinz Huhn) were killed, their bodies
being recovered later and buried in Holland and the UK
(Cannock Chase German cemetery) respectively.



Sep 2008
Following probable recent exposure by shifting sands, wreck
located at a depth of some 16m/50 feet and a high – resolution
side-scan sonar and magnetometer survey was made (following
original discovery by recreational diver Mr Bob Peacock who
reported the find) by Wessex Archaeology on behalf of English
Heritage. The aircraft is lying inverted and largely complete on
a bed of chalk on Goodwin Sands, with a small debris field
around it. Mr. Peacock indicated the wreck was first reported to
him c. 2004 by a fisherman who had apparently snagged his
nets on it c.2000/2001.
Starboard tailplane, port rudder, tail fairing cone and tailwheel
assembly, flap assemblies, engine cowlings, forward nose
glazing and bomb bay and undercarriage doors missing, though
both the main undercarriage units remain retracted and in place
Other items including at least two of the original six 7.92mm
MG 15 machine guns removed during unauthorised dives by
‘sport’ divers since 2008.


20 May 2009
Further Sidescan geophysical sonar survey of area including the
Do 17 wreck by Wessex Archaeology on behalf of English
Heritage, confirming the continued presence and good
condition of the aircraft.


2/3 Jun 2010
Diving Survey (two dives on consecutive days) of aircraft
undertaken in conjunction with Wessex Archaeology Ltd. A
few small corroded components were recovered from the
vicinity of the aircraft. A further two dives made later.


This is the only known substantially intact Dornier Do-17. A few components from
other machines survive, including the rudder, spinner and propeller blade displayed in the Battle of Britain Hall at Hendon.



ANDREW SIMPSON
RAF MUSEUM 2010




http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/cosford/conservation-centre/downloads/Dornier%20Do17Z%20Wnr%201160.pdf




At around 13.40 hours the aircraft forcelanded
on Goodwin Sands off the eastern Kentish coast at low
tide. Very close to Deal Castle ; ))

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/DealCastel1.jpghttp://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/DealCastel.jpg
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[BadAim]

Wow, what a find. I truly hope they can recover and conserve it like should be.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Could not agree more, to preserve these machines for the coming generations to tell the story. Regardless the side they flew for, these machines present the pinnacle of technical achievements during their time. Really a shame so few remain of those built.

[bf-110]

S!

Could not agree more, to preserve these machines for the coming generations to tell the story. Regardless the side they flew for, these machines present the pinnacle of technical achievements during their time. Really a shame so few remain of those built.

Indeed.
But I thought there were Do-17Zs in museums,since it was a common aircraft.

[zakkandrachoff]

S!

Finland had those, donated by Hermann Göring. The planes were used, some had been in BoB. But in general the planes were in very good shape. After excellent service in FiAF the planes were ALL scrapped(peace treaty, Russians demanded we have no bombers) along with all other bombers we had, including Ju88's, Blenheim's, Pe-2's, SB-2's, IL-4's etc. Really sad that none of them were kept. Only one Blenheim IV is in museum, fully restored to wartime colors.

http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/522/Dornier_Do_17Z-2_at_Noljakka_on_10th_June_1943.jpg

dornier in finland in 1943. i like dorniers, but in 1940-1941.
i dont know why the luftwaffe don't use the hold dornier for the mistels. the ju88 is a waste for be a bomb plane

[ElAurens]

Will the aircraft be restored or stabilized and preserved as is?

[Tbag]

Zakkandrachoff, the Ju88 airframes that have been used for the Mistel were generally so old and worn that they couldn't be used for normal duties anymore.

About the Do17: Amazing find! Can't wait to see that one being recovered!

[Pierre@]

By the way, does someone know what is the inscription stenciled on Do 17 Z access hatch "Zurück um den..."?
Info needed for some (next?) future SoW skins ;-)
Thanks in advance!

[Rodolphe]

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First we need Do 17 gorgeous winter skins of the LENTOLAIVUE 46 ; ))




VARO
POTKUREITA
--------- . ---------
KULJE
.TAKAKAUTTA.





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[Daniël]

Rodolphe

Minä toivon ettei kukaan ole niin tyhmä että hän kävelisi potkureiden edessä;-).

I hope no one is so stupid that he would be walking in front of the propellers.

[Rodolphe]

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I certainly would want to discourage her but ... :rolleyes:


http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Varo.jpg



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[FG28_Kodiak]

German Writing on the hatch is:

ZURÜCK!
Um den Motor herum-
gehen, von hinten
einsteigen

[Pierre@]

German Writing on the hatch is:

ZURÜCK!
Um den Motor herum-
gehen, von hinten
einsteigen

Danke sehr, Kodiak!

[Flying Pencil]

I wonder how the SoW 17's look like now. :)

[Flying Pencil]

New news!

http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/cosford/conservation-centre/dornier-17-conservation-project.cfm

And yes, I changed my name :D

http://s58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/restranger/?action=view&current=Do-17Z_WIP_01-1.jpg

[T_O_A_D]

I'd imagine there are plenty more wrecks like this, coming to light, as sonar improves, and more people are using it.

Looking forward to the rest of the story.

[Sternjaeger]

I'd imagine there are plenty more wrecks like this, coming to light, as sonar improves, and more people are using it.

Looking forward to the rest of the story.

It's a race against time and elements really: a full scan of the Channel would bring up SO much stuff, it's just a prohibiting expensive thing to do :(
Unfortunately it's all down to the luck factor...

SJ

[Flying Pencil]

For some reason a few NEW news reports posted:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12997528

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110408/lf_nm_life/us_britain_warplane


Some nice new scans :)

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20110408/i/r68895764.jpg?x=400&y=292&q=85&sig=PVcMEpw6CRw98pjnaiKuQg--

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20110408/i/r1617593844.jpg?x=397&y=345&q=85&sig=LvmuvxeLySlzGTw_iJcLdg--

[Novfanaion]

Great news!
Hope all goes well.

[Azimech]

Ah so it's in salt water. That's terrible for duralumin and other alloys based on aluminum. I don't hope so, but it could break apart while they attempt to surface it. I once took pictures of the remains of a Jumo 211, found in the Waddenzee north of The Netherlands.

[Flying Pencil]

Ah so it's in salt water. That's terrible for duralumin and other alloys based on aluminum. I don't hope so, but it could break apart while they attempt to surface it. I once took pictures of the remains of a Jumo 211, found in the Waddenzee north of The Netherlands.

I think it has enough structure to hold, but some parts are all but gone.
Engines are probably mostly gone.

The good news is 17z's where built before the war, so material is better quality.

[Venatore]

Do we know if this is a war grave? did the crew escape?

[RayVad]

As you can read on page 1 of this thread:

...At around 13.40 hours the aircraft forcelanded
on Goodwin Sands off the eastern Kentish coast at low
tide. Of the four crew, two (Wounded Pilot Feldwebel Willi
Effmert, and Bomb Aimer Uffz Hermann Ritzel) became
Prisoners-of-War in Canada and two (27-year old Wireless
Operator Unteroffizier Helmut Reinhardt and 21-year old
Bomb aimer Gefreiter Heinz Huhn) were killed, their bodies
being recovered later and buried in Holland and the UK
(Cannock Chase German cemetery) respectively....

So no, there supposed to be no human remains in the wreck anymore.

[checkmysix]

Hi Guys
Here is Skin I made of this aircraft for IL2 Cliffs of Dover.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i121/obergren/DO-175KAR2.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i121/obergren/DO-175KAR.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i121/obergren/GOODWINSANDDO17SONARIMAGE.jpg


ACKNOWLEDGMENT:
.Defaut for lines,structure and elements Guide.


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