Nuklear bomb

[Splitter]

Well, given Xilon's topic, the wide range of opinions it generated, and the general feeling that it was so daft that going off-topic was more sensible, I think it was bound to run on for a while. And as long as we keep this thread going, Xilon can't start another one on A-Bomb simulation either. So in the interests of the wider IL-2 community, I think we need to keep it running. Lets see, beyond Xilon's original topic we've done war crimes, sadomasochism, revisionist history, 'where are you from?', the fall of the Byzantine Empire, the Greek civil war, Newspeak, and who can recall what else. We clearly need another (off-)topic though:

Marmite. Elixir of the Gods? Yes or No...

OMG.....I agree with Andy. Take me now, Lord, before it gets any worse :).

Never heard of Marmite before but a quick wikpedia search says that I might love it. Now I just have to find it over here in the colonies.

Wow....I just realized that the Marmite thing means Andy influenced my opinion on something...I think that probably makes us both sick to our stomachs lol.

Splitter

[AndyJWest]

Ahhh, Splitter, I have you in my evil clutches. Get you hooked on Marmite, then introduce you to real ale... I'll have you singing the 'Internationale' before you know it. ;)

A word of warning on the Marmite - spread it very thin, it's powerful stuff. Try it on hot buttered toast. Yummmm... :grin:

[Splitter]

Ahhh, Splitter, I have you in my evil clutches. Get you hooked on Marmite, then introduce you to real ale... I'll have you singing the 'Internationale' before you know it. ;)

A word of warning on the Marmite - spread it very thin, it's powerful stuff. Try it on hot buttered toast. Yummmm... :grin:

Andy, we could probably hang together. I don't drink American mass produced swill and tend towards little micro breweries who actually put some heart and alcohol content into their brews lol. Gotta be cold though.

I'll sing internationale if you'll sing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQcJ9tPvy-4&feature=related

Then we can both wash our mouths out with a robust ale lol.

Splitter

[AndyJWest]

I think I'd better listen to that with headphones, or my friends will think I've cracked...

Glad to hear you share my opinions of mass produced 'beer'. That should make you a natural for Marmite. 'Robust' (and 'yeasty' obviously) would describe it's flavour well...

[winny]

Get a room you two!


(I'm joking!)

[Splitter]

Get a room you two!


(I'm joking!)

Don't worry about it, winny. Andy is going to listen to that and get the uncontrollable urge to salute....and invade a third world country :mrgreen:

Of course, he could listen to it out loud and just explain to his friends that he is doing a comparison between American country music concerts and Third Reich rallies lol.

Splitter

[AndyJWest]

Nothing wrong with country music as such - it has its roots in the American rural working class, though this is more to my taste:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zgja26eNeY&feature=fvst

And naturally:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxiMrvDbq3s

[Splitter]

So you do have taste!

Splitter

[katdogfizzow]

I spanked the BMW driver who cut me up this afternoon. As he drove away I swore and made a gesture. He didn't see it, but I really spanked him good!

If it wasn't in writing or not on video, it doesn't count. ;)


This thread started with a nuclear bomb and ended with Johnny Cash @ San Quentin. But then just went over the top with Woodie Guthrie. I think its safe to say this thread has come full circle. Problem solved.

[Xilon_x]

hahahahahahahaha:):) JOHNNY CASH :grin:
i send it first time in the album of U2 Zooropa bravo bravo i like it.
is catholic peace song.
music style is country american style far whest songs movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0G2X0Zpgfw&feature=related
the country music style is very original american songs music is not contaminated even if the true American music belongs to the real American Indian peoples.
The original American peoples are indiani or inkas and not the ENGLISH FRANCE AND SPAIN COLONY.

[Xilon_x]

this is original american music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7sFgRypDKk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYheX_vB4Wc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWqhHEOWNlQ
american governament not protect the native american peoples i want the american president real native american
not exist real native american president.NATIVE AMERICAN in U.S.A. territory are rare and also in CANADA and MESSICO.

[Xilon_x]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOlv0qPIgzg
nuclear test.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwpgmEvlRpM&feature=related

[swiss]

i want the american president real native american
not exist real native american president.

Mr. President Smelling Horseshoe.

LOL

[Dozer_EAF19]

this is original american music.




american governament not protect the native american peoples i want the american president real native american
not exist real native american president.NATIVE AMERICAN in U.S.A. territory are rare and also in CANADA and MESSICO.
What? This is classic modern American music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK2tWVj6lXw

[swiss]

classic modern

lol

[Splitter]

lol

Wait Dozer.....Astley was ENGLISH! lol

We have the Brits to thank for him and the constant "Rick Rolled" attacks popular a couple years ago. So blame the Brits :).

For full disclosure, I bought the CD when it first came out and still have it.....the 80's, you just had to be there.

Splitter

[Novotny]

I was there. I didn't buy it, I was too busy trying to learn Muddy Waters songs between classes.

Jesus Christ, what sort of people do we have here?

[Dozer_EAF19]

I was there. I didn't buy it, I was too busy trying to learn Muddy Waters songs between classes.

Jesus Christ, what sort of people do we have here?

OH HAI

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/in_ur_reality.png

[Xilon_x]

IL-2 ATOMIC BOMB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ9MdzN8I6I&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-rye1r7kMU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WazXS1FKICk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RSf1VdI_Sg&feature=related

[WTE_Galway]

IL-2 ATOMIC BOMB.




That is a user mod that just makes a bigger bang then normal for guys that like blowing things up, it does not model ANY of an atomic bombs other effects other than blast.

It also seems extremely unlikely you will see this in an official IL2 release ... ever.

[Xilon_x]

Nazi invent first the atomic experimental bomb and after Americans.
this is the particolar 3 movie to nazi nukebomb.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rCEOfQFyIo&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U-I47mYk18&feature=related
GERMAN KAMIKAZE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKoshgB-ly0&feature=related
ONLY 3500 miles for NEW YORK.

[AndyJWest]

Nazi invent first the atomic experimental bomb
No. A total fabrication. Still, you'll believe anything you see on YouTube, won't you, Xilon?

[Xilon_x]

dear andywest I posted this document in English because I had 'seen the document in Italian.
here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtWq7LvdXPw&feature=related
Hitler had the bomb but not the big project manatham.
the German atomic bomb hitler you would say what we now commonly call the dirty bomb.
My research is based on true facts and documents are at the center is also evidence of Italian journalists and even the famous Secretary of the Duce Benito Mussolini called LUIGI Romersa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Romersa
Guest Book has been published an extremely important on this subject
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/03/nazi_nuke_sketch/
then the experiment was called the German uranium project the German equivalent of the project manatham.
the German atomic bomb called "Disintegration BOMB.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/sep/30/books.italy

[WTE_Galway]

The "dirty bomb" of the cold war era was still a nuclear device.

Those are not atomic bombs at all.

[Xilon_x]

5 giorni fa It is strange that the US named their nuclear bomb program Manhattan project, it is more likely that the Manhattan project was a Nazi plan to attack New York City which they took over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ2-hQNmeeM&feature=related

[Oldschool61]

No. A total fabrication. Still, you'll believe anything you see on YouTube, won't you, Xilon?


At least he believes in something he can see not all the people here with imaginary friends!

[Splitter]

5 giorni fa It is strange that the US named their nuclear bomb program Manhattan project, it is more likely that the Manhattan project was a Nazi plan to attack New York City which they took over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ2-hQNmeeM&feature=related

Nope, sorry. It had to do with the origins of the project. We hear about New Mexico, but it was originally based in New York:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/science/30manh.html

Splitter

[AndyJWest]

It is strange that the US named their nuclear bomb program Manhattan project
Codenames aren't supposed to reveal what they are about. Do you think they should have called it "Project build a huge atom bomb and blow the Axis to bits"?

[rakinroll]

"Killing thousands of civilians project" would be better.

[Splitter]

"Killing thousands of civilians project" would be better.

First, the project killed tens of thousands, not just thousands.

Second, it saved many more than it killed.

Third, neither bomb killed as many as the firebombings of Tokyo. The firebombing of Dresden produced more "total destruction".

Fourth, the project ended WWII.

Fifth, War is Hell.

Sixth, there was a recent thread about this.

Splitter

[WTE_Galway]

Nuclear Weapons are fun loving colorful entertaining little devices which are good for the environment, educational and perfectly safe for children to play with ... providing they belong to the American right.

If anyone else has them they are evil weapons of mass destruction :D

[Splitter]

Nuclear Weapons are fun loving colorful entertaining little devices which are good for the environment, educational and perfectly safe for children to play with ... providing they belong to the American right.

If anyone else has them they are evil weapons of mass destruction :D

Now you are getting it!

Splitter

[rakinroll]

i only can say that: God help you...

[Xilon_x]

FSX enola gay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCc08OkkfV0&feature=related

[Splitter]

i only can say that: God help you...


Galway and I (and others) went back and forth over several things in the previous thread. I was not being serious. I was making a joke about my "right wing American" stances by agreeing with Galway's exaggeration of me and my ilk. We both made jokes.

But, if you go back and read the thread, you will probably come to the same conclusion :).

Splitter

[Sternjaeger]

I haven't had the heart or patience to read all the posts, but the idea of joking about nuclear holocaust is abhorrent.

A.

[Splitter]

I haven't had the heart or patience to read all the posts, but the idea of joking about nuclear holocaust is abhorrent.

A.

It's not joking about a nuclear holocaust (I'm not sure that the partial destruction of two cities qualifies as a holocaust though...), it's joking about our far different views of the world. It's like someone asking me how I shine my jackboots or me asking someone on the left how it feels to hug a tree or why all the streets leading to Paris are lined by trees.

Stereotypes. There is humor there. I disagree with people, but that doesn't mean I hate them. Hopefully they feel the same. Joking about the stereotypes diffuses our....disagreements.

Splitter

[Blackdog_kt]

Stereotypes. There is humor there. I disagree with people, but that doesn't mean I hate them. Hopefully they feel the same. Joking about the stereotypes diffuses our....disagreements.

Splitter

I agree 100% ;)

[swiss]

... or why all the streets leading to Paris are lined by trees.

Splitter

Let me answer that.

Although all roads lead to Rome, the French are absolutely sure Paris is center of the world.
That's why all highways lead to Paris - and they certainly look better with trees on both sides.

I'm not sure on the influence that has on the French capability to surrender or being coward - but we're getting off track already....



I disagree with people, but that doesn't mean I hate them.

at least, unless they are liberals. lol

[Splitter]

I agree 100% ;)

Even AndyWest agreed to have a pint with me so there IS hope for world peace :).

Splitter

[Sternjaeger]

It's not joking about a nuclear holocaust (I'm not sure that the partial destruction of two cities qualifies as a holocaust though...), it's joking about our far different views of the world. It's like someone asking me how I shine my jackboots or me asking someone on the left how it feels to hug a tree or why all the streets leading to Paris are lined by trees.

Stereotypes. There is humor there. I disagree with people, but that doesn't mean I hate them. Hopefully they feel the same. Joking about the stereotypes diffuses our....disagreements.

Splitter

trust me, the RAF strategic bombing of Germany was indeed holocaust, I had several exams at uni on the matter. In 1940 Winston Churchill said: “You must understand, that this war is not against Hitler or National Socialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest.”
If that isn't racial hatred..

The nukes in Japan were a mixed matter of racial hatred and political interest: the Americans invested shedloads of money on the Manhattan Project and needed to show the Russians who had the bigger stick by the end of the war..

[dduff442]

trust me, the RAF strategic bombing of Germany was indeed holocaust, I had several exams at uni on the matter. In 1940 Winston Churchill said: “You must understand, that this war is not against Hitler or National Socialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest.”
If that isn't racial hatred..

The nukes in Japan were a mixed matter of racial hatred and political interest: the Americans invested shedloads of money on the Manhattan Project and needed to show the Russians who had the bigger stick by the end of the war..

Gaaah.... You know full well that Churchill felt that placing Germany in a permanently subordinate position would have left Britain 'manacled to a corpse' as he memorably phrased it. His concern was to break a mindset, not a country.

Ironically, area-bombing of cities was almost declared a war crime in the early 30s. The treaty was blocked by two countries: Britain and Germany.

Germany trashed Warsaw, Rotterdam and London. In 1940, it was widely believed that 30,000 had died in Rotterdam.

Maybe strangely given the tone of the era, racism was never a major feature of propaganda against Germany. Japan, on the other hand, was portrayed in explicitly racist terms.

dduff

[Splitter]

Gaaah.... You know full well that Churchill felt that placing Germany in a permanently subordinate position would have left Britain 'manacled to a corpse' as he memorably phrased it. His concern was to break a mindset, not a country.

Ironically, area-bombing of cities was almost declared a war crime in the early 30s. The treaty was blocked by two countries: Britain and Germany.

Germany trashed Warsaw, Rotterdam and London. In 1940, it was widely believed that 30,000 had died in Rotterdam.

Maybe strangely given the tone of the era, racism was never a major feature of propaganda against Germany. Japan, on the other hand, was portrayed in explicitly racist terms.

dduff

Here I agree. WWII was the second time Germany had kicked up a war in less than half a century. We can argue about whether or not they were forced into WWII, but the fact remains that they started it lol. There was absolutely a determination in the Allies to eliminate the mind sets that had lead Germany into two world wars.

Racism was present on several fronts. People look at the Nazi regime, their propaganda, and what they did to certain groups of people, but the most racist mindset in the war was Japanese. As a culture, they looked down on every other culture and race. In their minds, it was their destiny to rule Asia and they certainly saw themselves as superior to the western races. This was evidenced by the systematic atrocities committed by Japanese forces which were sanctioned by the government.

You just don't spit babies on bayonets unless you feel they are less than human.

Was there a bigoted element against Japan? Certainly. If you look at the propaganda of the time, the Japanese were portrayed as evil. There was even a belief, prior to the war, that the Japanese could not fly planes because of poor eye sight...no lie. Yes, people were that stupid.

However, the dropping of the A-bombs was about destroying the mindset of the Japanese just as the destruction of Germany was aimed at destroying their mindset. Through invasion or annihilation, the Allies were determined to eliminate Japan as a future threat and to occupy the country.

People want to point to the decision to drop the bombs as a war crime. The best argument to this is to look at how Japan was treated after surrender....which was with great kindness and respect considering the destruction they had brought about. That may have actually been MacArthur's greatest service in his life.

Destroying the mindset that lead to aggression is the one and only way to end a war for good. Harsh but true. If you leave the mindset in place, another war is inevitable.

By the way, in reading journals of American soldiers and watching interviews, I have very seldom heard one express hatred for the German people (I actually heard it most blatantly last night from an American P-51 ace). However, there was certainly a high level of hatred for the Japanese military forces far in excess of what was felt against Germans. Even then, however, I have seen little hatred expressed against the Japanese people except by some surviving POW's.

Lastly, most of what many call "racism" is actually just bigotry. Bigotry is ignorance. Racism is hatred.

Splitter

[ATAG_Dutch]

Blimey, Xilon's posts are always a bit off the wall, but they usually cause some hot debate or other.
Do you think he does it deliberately just to wind everyone up and then study the English used?
Or is he not Italian at all and just a wind-up merchant?

[Splitter]

Blimey, Xilon's posts are always a bit off the wall, but they usually cause some hot debate or other.
Do you think he does it deliberately just to wind everyone up and then study the English used?
Or is he not Italian at all and just a wind-up merchant?

Xilon is a character invented by one of the members of the development team. He is their Lady Gaga.

They laugh.

Splitter

[rakinroll]

Xilon's posts are could be funny but he is much more humanist than the others who believes bombing the civilians.

[Xilon_x]

we are human beings build houses and even cars planes trains and arms also commit mistakes. and human mistakes.
IN ENGLISH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd1-HM234DE&feature=related
a great tribute to the legendary James Brown on my part
IN ITALIAN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mnbUol3WA8
remember is a simulation not real life.

[Splitter]

Xilon's posts are could be funny but he is much more humanist than the others who believes bombing the civilians.

I like Xilon's posts as much as any. I understand he is Italian and often expresses himself through video because he can be more accurate with that than with English....and he has some good taste in music. His videos are often far fetched, but I have to say I watch them lol

I'm not sure pointing out who is more humanist is appropriate on a board about a war simulation where simulated pilots are killed on a regular basis.

Splitter

[WTE_Galway]

Another point to note is that there is no way in 2010 a USAF aircraft would be allowed to be called "Enola Gay" with modern political correctness.

[AndyJWest]

Another point to note is that there is no way in 2010 a USAF aircraft would be allowed to be called "Enola Gay" with modern political correctness.

Enola Don't Ask, Don't Tell? :grin: