oleg, sparks in burning planes, crappy example

[zakkandrachoff]

"o no, this zakkandrachoff guy again" ... i know, i know, but oleg dont banish me yet, so i will still posting

i do a crappy, small and fast example of sparcks in burning planes.

original
http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/zakkandrachoff/shot_20100720_095926-1.jpg
whit some sparks
http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/zakkandrachoff/shot_20100720_095926-2.jpg

[Blackdog_kt]

"o no, this zakkandrachoff guy again" ... i know, i know, but oleg dont banish me yet, so i will still posting

i do a crappy, small and fast example of sparcks in burning planes.

original
http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/zakkandrachoff/shot_20100720_095926-1.jpg
whit some sparks
http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/ae188/zakkandrachoff/shot_20100720_095926-2.jpg

It looks good on the He-111, but not so good on the hurricane at the top of the picture. In the He-111 the effect is better, because it seems like something that's causing sparks is burning and leaving behind a trail. The spark near the hurri is not so good because it looks like small fireworks and not a trail of sparks. That "firework" effect would be more suited to an interior view, for example if an electrical instrument on the panel is damaged.

I do like the one on the He-111 however, it's like the fire burns so hot that small pieces of metal are actually catching fire (it would be possible depending on temperature and the type of metal). I hope i'm explaining it well :grin:

[Skoshi Tiger]

Please bear with me.

Once a long time ago up on the farm we were burning off some rubbish, and my brother threw on a a cracked mag wheel off his car. After a while the wheel caught fire a started to burn with an entense blue-white light that lit up everything for about 200 metres in all directions. It was so bright it hurt your eyes to look at it. Every so often it would kick off intense white sparks. It was really impresive.

I expect the light alloys of the planes would also burn in a similar manner.

Cheers!

[KG26_Alpha]

Let hope these are WIP fire screenies from 1c Team.

They are not looking like high speed fuel/oil fires more like bonfires.

http://www.historynet.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2009/worldwar2/wingsofdefeat/kamikaze-over-carrier.jpg

[Dano]

Please bear with me.

Once a long time ago up on the farm we were burning off some rubbish, and my brother threw on a a cracked mag wheel off his car. After a while the wheel caught fire a started to burn with an entense blue-white light that lit up everything for about 200 metres in all directions. It was so bright it hurt your eyes to look at it. Every so often it would kick off intense white sparks. It was really impresive.

I expect the light alloys of the planes would also burn in a similar manner.

Cheers!

Burning magnesium will do that :D

Let hope these are WIP fire screenies from 1c Team.

They are not looking like high speed fuel/oil fires more like bonfires.

http://www.historynet.com/wp-content/uploads/image/2009/worldwar2/wingsofdefeat/kamikaze-over-carrier.jpg

Read the update threads.

[zakkandrachoff]

It looks good on the He-111, but not so good on the hurricane at the top of the picture. In the He-111 the effect is better, because it seems like something that's causing sparks is burning and leaving behind a trail. The spark near the hurri is not so good because it looks like small fireworks and not a trail of sparks. That "firework" effect would be more suited to an interior view, for example if an electrical instrument on the panel is damaged.

I do like the one on the He-111 however, it's like the fire burns so hot that small pieces of metal are actually catching fire (it would be possible depending on temperature and the type of metal). I hope i'm explaining it well :grin:

jeje i dont do anything in the hurri, i forget delete that big spark

i dont like he111 planes , so i like to see how this plane burn.

maybe the fire that oleg show us is in the beggining, them , this extens a lot in a feu secons and is a big white 20 metres fire back the plane.

i can't prove in pics, but in some videos, for example, a p51 shotting a fw and is so many particles of fire and the camera of the p51 pass under this. Them are so much videos of a 109, 190 or 262 shooting a b17 and are too so many white particles. like always : correct me if i am wrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oav6I0DcfY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aqJwHdMDK0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klXwCJTO3CM&feature=related

[KG26_Alpha]

Read the update threads.


Update threads are for noobs :)

[Avimimus]

And people who have turned into stale corn.

(IMVHO One needs to take into account quantities and types of fuel, airpseed and scale when making such effects - rules that work for campfires don't necessarily scale up - just like a >100 story tall building with an airplane inside it doesn't tip over sideways like a stack of lego bricks - it is very difficult and beyond me to judge what is correct, but I recommend caution in passing judgments etc.)

[swiss]

in fact I would really love to see sparks when you belly land an airplane on a concrete strip.

[Blackdog_kt]

Yes, that would be fantastic. Not to mention the chance of the sparks igniting fuel from leaking tanks, it would make emergency landings really scary.

[Mysticpuma]

Actually in the later add-ons for SoW (I know we aren't even looking at the release version yet) but it would be impressive if details like the above can be added.

I was talking with P-51 Fighter Ace Barrie Davis, and he recalled a take-off that went badly, resulting in his Starboard Wing Tank hitting the ground and coming off the wing. He watched as fuel sprayed everywhere and he had to make an emergency landing. So seeing parts separate from aircraft and sparks as they do would be impressive.

Similarly another 318th Pilot, Harold Kick, remembered colliding with a bulldozer after heading off the runway on take-off (he was a young pilot then) and the aircraft flipped over. He was lucky that the straps held him in, as he nearly broke his neck, but that was the least of his worries as the fuel in the fuselage poured into the cockpit area and Ground Crews just managed to get him out before he drowned in the fuel.

So maybe details like fuel leaks with runway crashes and fires could make an appearance?

Cheers, MP

[KG26_Alpha]

I've never seen sparks from Aluminium personally.

[swiss]

I've never seen sparks from Aluminium personally.

Right, because airplanes are only made of 100% aluminium. :rolleyes:


Stupid Russians, you should tell them to use Al instead of steel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrO6MNvvSHE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLmpIOmXL0s
stupid Americanos too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ak3gBImhLI

[KG26_Alpha]

Whats those noobtube vids got to do with ww2 aircraft ?

Re: SoW
I grant you, there would be sparks from steel components like undercarriage and some props.

But belly landings would be spark free regarding Aluminium structure.

[swiss]

How long do you think the thin sheet alloy is gonna last on the concrete runway?
What if it's grinded off (through?) and exposes other materials of the structure?
What about the mentioned case of a crash landing with parts being torn off?
If I remember correctly, Oleg once mentioned we can also expect flat tires in SOW again-> sparks
(I also doubt you can't find any steel parts on on the belly of a warbird)


Anyway: Sparks, we need them!

lots. :cool:


Whats those noobtube vids got to do with ww2 aircraft ?
-> so the evolution of designing airplanes made them use heavy steel instead of AI?

[Skoshi Tiger]

Yes, that would be fantastic. Not to mention the chance of the sparks igniting fuel from leaking tanks, it would make emergency landings really scary.

We would have steel Nuts and bolts, etc so I would expect some sparks, but please no sparks on grass airfields!

[KG26_Alpha]

Most of the structure is Aluminium with very little steel if any, the He111 has a steel wing spar but would take some serious grinding to get anywhere near it.
Typically using steel nuts and bolts is no good as it reacts with the alloy, and adds to the weight of the aircraft dramatically.

Please no sparks and Hollywood style fires and effects, the IL2 series has already suffered exploding planes and Hollywood effects, most belly landings were uneventful affairs.

Besides SoW will be mostly grass airfields and any pilot going for a belly landing will take the grass over the concrete probably.

Wing of P51 replica.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/alpha1/DSCF1002.jpg

[Skoshi Tiger]

I guess its a matter of individual aircraft, weights and velocities and viewing angle. Although larger aircraft seam to spark quite freely, finding a good video of a light aircraft sparking is quite hard.

This light plane has quiet a healthy spark at around 16sec of the clip, seen from another angle this may have gone un-noticed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVwih5xFGHg

(sorry -disable in embeded- need to open it in a new window or tab!)

Something like a Spitfire or a mustang would be twice as heavy as this light plane and the Mustang has large magnesium alloy casting for attachment of the undercarrage.

Unfortunately owners of old war birds tend to be quite gentle with them when their doing forced landings and perfer to land on the grass at the side of the strip (very considerate!) so like I said theres not many videos around of them landing on concrete.

No matter what, like Alpha said I would not like hollywood style fires and effects. Keep it realistic!

[Eugene1St]

I'm of the opinion that any sparks from a burning fuselage at speed would be either internal, where there is less wind :D or blown out before becoming visible. I think sparks would ruin the burning effect.

[KG26_Alpha]

Put sparks where they belong in SoW

Prop strike (steel props) as in the vid above @16 secs, and landing gear assembly.

On concrete of course.

[Igo kyu]

I saw a fatal crash once. :cry:

It was a light plane. The angle of impact was something like 5 or 10 degrees. There were big sparks, presumably from the undercarriage coming off, on grass

[Mysticpuma]

Yeah, I would agree, sparks on impacts with runway or the like (roads or gear clipping tanks, etc, etc) but not from burning aircraft in the air.....for the sake of the GPU if anything. I'd rather have the power diverted to cloud/water or lighting effects thanks!

Cheers, MP

[zakkandrachoff]

for example, i don't talking about of only sparks. In a burning hurricane , the little pieces of fuselage that impact in the 109 that we flying. Or the dornier that dispread pieces of fire. they are not only aluminum structure and heavymetal pistons. there are so much things around of a engine that can dispends pieces of fire over our glass. like one said before, depend the aircraft. Hurricanes and gladiators have a particularly fuselage.

http://img.youtube.com/vi/TqqeR3YroKI/0.jpg

http://www.lc-modellbau.at/pics/shot%20down%20owned.gif

http://www.coldwar.org/pictures/reconaisance_pictures/60528x.jpg

when we are so close of a plane that we shot down, for example, a hurricane or spitfire whit small guns, is obvious that we will see sparks, burning fragments and pieces of fire and shit and effects like that very close to us

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/12_03/Heinkel1812_468x283.jpg

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/1971/Nov22/kill1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2e/MiG-15_shot_down.jpg

pics of that time don't say so much

anyway, is a little detail the sparks in the burning aircraft or sparks coming of our engine and for a damage cylinder/piston and we can see this in the left/right of the canopy .
if oleg team don't put this, someone maybe , in a far away future will do a mod. that mod will call: "spark and pieces of shits coming on an burning plane" :-P