full-real in SoW...

[Flyby]

Just an idle curiosity (since SoW_BoB is closer to release than it was last week); how will you play SoW?

[swiss]

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[Novotny]

In every way?

[AndyJWest]

'Full real' wasn't fully real in IL-2, and it won't be in SoW:BoB either. It is a simulation. This idea that some people play 'real' and others don't is meaningless.

As for how I'll play SoW:BoB, I don't know - I don't know what the options will be.

[Flyby]

'Full real' wasn't fully real in IL-2, and it won't be in SoW:BoB either. It is a simulation. This idea that some people play 'real' and others don't is meaningless.

As for how I'll play SoW:BoB, I don't know - I don't know what the options will be.

Andy, if you have an issue with the "full real" terminology Oleg uses in his sim, please take it up with him. It is used here on this forum in the context he created for his sim. Everyone knows that, and (most of us) accept it as such.
Flyby out

[HFC_Dolphin]

I voted for online campaigns full real, but to be honest I don't know what will it be until I see it.
IL-2 is completely boring offline and in almost 10 years of playing it, I never spent more than a few hours offline, while I spent hundreds and hundreds of them online.

If BoB manages to be attractive offline, then I'll definitely prefer this option, as online campaigns became huge waste of time in the end (waiting for half an hour to launch a mission, then someone crashes at take off and host restarts, then half of pilots quit and start all over again...). Not to mention other significant matters that came with online campaigns.

So, for the time being (based on IL-2 experience) it'll be online, but I do hope it can become a great offline experience!

[Feathered_IV]

Mostly I'll be using FR offline in campaign mode. Online play is nowhere near as "real" as the devotees would have you think.

[Skoshi Tiger]

I like the idea of full-real settings, but only if I can actually take off without killing my virtual self!

Cheers!

[Tree_UK]

I like the idea of full-real settings, but only if I can actually take off without killing my virtual self!

Cheers!

lol, amen to that. :grin:

[Igo kyu]

I haven't voted, and I won't while it's not anonymous, why is it "public"? :confused:

[Blackdog_kt]

I didn't find a suitable option to choose in the poll so i didn't vote. I think i'll do what i did with IL2.

For offline and campaigns i keep the FM/DM settings at full real, but i enable external cameras and such for the "cinematic" feel and maybe icons/speedbar if i'm a bit bored and just want to have a quick skirmish against the AI.

For online, it is full real or almost full real depending on server settings. For example some may allow the speedbar while others only allow the compass read-out. In any case, i will fly on servers with full FM/DM settings, no icons and no external views, so that people can actually surprise and bounce each other.

[SlipBall]

+1...I will find it very interesting to fumble my start up procedure, while hearing the bases siren wail.:grin:

[Flyby]

I haven't voted, and I won't while it's not anonymous, why is it "public"? :confused:
just because I clicked too fast when my ritalin wore off sooner than expected.
Flyby out

[Igo kyu]

just because I clicked too fast when my ritalin wore off sooner than expected.
Flyby out
Cool.

Now it's an "I can't undo that" situation I suppose. <sigh> :)

[Flyby]

Igo,
I can't say much more than I'm really sorry the poll settings didn't suit you. I don't fully understand why it's important to remain anonymous. Is there something at risk I should be aware of? Other than knowing who voted which way on the poll (I only looked today) I saw no evil in knowing. What is the principle behind securing anonymity? Many have written their reasons for selecting their preferences in their replies.

On another note, a brief look at the results to date seem to indicate that a lot of people will enjoy SoW_BoB in many different flavors. If nothing else, it's very encouraging seeing the selections folks are making. If the sim offers similar options as IL2 for playability, people seem to think there is something for everyone. It's all good! :D But of particular interest, more people (so far) seem to lean towards full real, be it online, or off line, dogfights, COOPs, custom (and stock) missions, and campaigns. I like that!
Flyby out

[AKA_Tenn]

he must really take rush music to heart, if you don't know what i mean, look up the song "freewill" by rush :P

[WTE_Galway]

Biased sample :D

The majority of Il2 players play offline and never come to forums.

There is an over-representation of online players on online forums because online players tend to usually be online more often than offline players :D

[Blackdog_kt]

Well, that's not true in my case as 99% of my IL-2 time is offline. This is a bit skewed by certain ISP troubles (that is, i can't fly online as often as i would like to), but even before that i was still a mainly online player.

Forums and such are a great way to collect information, learn things and follow upcoming developments but being a frequent poster in one doesn't make me a frequent online flyer ;)

For me, the main issue with online flying is time constraints and commitment. I dislike having to leave in the middle of a mission or even worse, in the middle of a combat situation. So, if i am to be flying online i need to be absolutely sure that i won't be having any interruptions during my sorties.

I'm no hot-shot but i don't mind losing as long as the match is good, i learn something new or see something impressive, or i plain manage to help my team in accomplishing mission objectives regardless of my K/D ratios and survival rates, i have found servers that suit my difficulty/realism preferences, have nice missions in the rotation and are populated by a nice crowd of flight simmers. It's just that all too often i want to know that i can quit the simulator mid-flight without it reflecting negatively on someone else's gameplay experience, so i mostly stick to offline flying.

[Flyby]

Biased sample :D

The majority of Il2 players play offline and never come to forums.

There is an over-representation of online players on online forums because online players tend to usually be online more often than offline players :D

How can you say that? I don't understand. How does it follow that offline (IL2) players don't visit online forums as much as online (IL2) players do. Just because a player does not fly online in no way implies that he or she does not get online to visit and/or participate in forums like these any less so. Well, that's my opinion (so I suppose I should grant that you have your opinion too).
Flyby out

[zauii]

How can you say that? I don't understand. How does it follow that offline (IL2) players don't visit online forums as much as online (IL2) players do. Just because a player does not fly online in no way implies that he or she does not get online to visit and/or participate in forums like these any less so. Well, that's my opinion (so I suppose I should grant that you have your opinion too).
Flyby out

Well, looking at the facts it's more obvious that offline players represents the majority of the install base within almost all games, especially realistic once.
That is about to change more and more though and have changed a lot within casual gaming the last 5 years.. anyway..

A player is more likely to participate in discussions and the community if he/she is a regular online player, fan of the game and a regular internet user.
Many folks who play don't really go online, they might not even have the knowledge/care? that these kinda communities and boards exists or wouldn't take their time to bother.

Many here maybe prefer Single Player and/or are offline players, but at least you're above the average joe who might have never even touched MP.
They are casual hardcore gamers if that makes any sense lol... i know plenty of folks who play and prefer simulators but don't hang around boards or such.
They buy the games and play em... simple as that.

(I am looking at the big picture here and it works the same with any community really)

Even looking at Call of Duty, Battlefield which has huge online communities, it's nothing compared to all the "uber" mainstream guys that just buys it of the shelves.
It's those guys who are responsible for the majority of the sales. I believe that maybe within another 10 years, technology, games and the internet will be a lot more accepted
thus, even getting the none gamers to realize things.

[WTE_Galway]

How can you say that? I don't understand. How does it follow that offline (IL2) players don't visit online forums as much as online (IL2) players do. Just because a player does not fly online in no way implies that he or she does not get online to visit and/or participate in forums like these any less so. Well, that's my opinion (so I suppose I should grant that you have your opinion too).
Flyby out

I simply base it on the number of offline players I have known over the years (especially older ones) that simply are not online at all, not even connected to the internet, or rarely go online.

I personally have no internet at all at home and only use the net when stuck with nothing to do at work to fill in time. (yeah i have one of those jobs)

[AndyJWest]

M4T currently (4.30 AM BST, 3rd August 2010) has 26254 members registered. How many of those ever fly online?

[Novotny]

I simply base it on the number of offline players I have known over the years (especially older ones) that simply are not online at all, not even connected to the internet, or rarely go online.

I personally have no internet at all at home and only use the net when stuck with nothing to do at work to fill in time. (yeah i have one of those jobs)

Well, if I may say so, that's quite unusual these days. I'd be really stuck to think of anyone I know who doesn't check their mail, news etc online at least once or twice a day; apart from two older fellows who never really got into it, they being 66 and 92 years of age.

In many European states, such as Finland or Estonia, it's considered a basic human right to have an internet connection. It's certainly something the UN is pushing.

I grew up before we had internets and now simply can't imagine having to do without it.

Perhaps I'll also mention that I now get very little pleasure from beating AI routines but I still do play offline, in much the same way that I used to play a chess computer if I couldn't find a human opponent. Never once did I ever turn down a human opponent to play the chess machine. And nowadays, I would never choose to play the computer at anything I could instead play a human at.

I still really enjoy IL-2 offline, and many other games too. But the thrill for me, in any sort of game/competition, is in outwitting the human opponent (hopefully).

[Flyby]

May I remind some of you that this is a poll directed to people who come to this site? I wanted to see and share what their gaming preferences would be regarding SoW_BoB. Even some who do not have internet access at home come to this site. It's fine by me if they only play offline (if it's fine with them), but some of them come here all the same. It is not relevant to this poll to know or guess at the true number of those who do not come here, or even get online. It's a non-sequitur.
So if you took the time to visit this poll, I hope you made your preferences known, and I thank you for sharing. How about someone throwing up a poll to see who will fly Sow_BoB for the virtual Queen and who will fly for the virtual little corporal? :D
Flyby out

[zakkandrachoff]

vote for offline custom missions!
campain? will be 500 planes in the air! my machine will give me one image per minute. small missions

[ECV56_Lancelot]

263 votes. Hardly a representation of the IL-2 and ww2 flight sims market (including casual gamers). Otherwise, this market is way more smaller that i had thought! :D

[Flyby]

263 votes. Hardly a representation of the IL-2 and ww2 flight sims market (including casual gamers). Otherwise, this market is way more smaller that i had thought! :D
Hardly a representation of the size of the market, I agree (though that was not the intent). I can only say that flying "full real" seems to be more preferable for both online and offline action. No way one can predict sales, size or general acceptance of the sim itself based on this poll. ;)
Flyby out

[LW_lcarp]

I didnt vote cause sometimes I like to fly with nothing distorting my veiw of the ground below and sometimes I like to fly simulated real.

[BadAim]

I checked every box, 'cause that's how I'm gonna fly, at least for the first few months. The wife will bring food occasionally, and remind me to sleep a little. Then she'll threaten me with a frying pan, and I'll have to get back to real life. :)

[Skoshi Tiger]

I checked every box, 'cause that's how I'm gonna fly, at least for the first few months. The wife will bring food occasionally, and remind me to sleep a little. Then she'll threaten me with a frying pan, and I'll have to get back to real life. :)

When my wife thinks I've been on the computer too long she just pushes two screaming kids into the computer room!

[Flyby]

I didnt vote cause sometimes I like to fly with nothing distorting my veiw of the ground below and sometimes I like to fly simulated real.
hi Carp,
You can still vote your preference by simply selecting the "< full real" categories where applicable. Nothing wrong with flying the "Wonderwoman" view then flying the "simulated real" mode (I like that description!).

BadAim, I think you will find that you are not alone. Perhaps you can lure her to the Dark side, and have her join you.

Skosh, you are on your own. I suggest you shoot fast, and hurry back to base before you have to clear your six (if you sit with your back to the entrance of your gaming room) of two bandits closing in on you! :D
Flyby out

[ECV56_Lancelot]

When my wife thinks I've been on the computer too long she just pushes two screaming kids into the computer room!

That is EVIL!! :lol:

[RiffRaff]

I will play off line to start as to get the feel for the rig am flying.
Then phase into online part. coop is always fun with your squad m8 but the best part for me is the dog fights.

[swiss]

When my wife thinks I've been on the computer too long she just pushes two screaming kids into the computer room!

That's why I don't have any.

[Xilon_x]

if you don't have the AREAL PHOTO of enemy terrain and if you don't have the navy and convoy traffic you not project a good briefing.
FIRST start a recon mission
after study the photo and loock the map for project new briefing.

[Flyby]

I will play off line to start as to get the feel for the rig am flying.
Then phase into online part. coop is always fun with your squad m8 but the best part for me is the dog fights.
thanks for replying, RR. Ever watch UnderDog! :D

Hey Skosh, looks like you're catching it a bit today! ;)

Flyby out

[Xilon_x]

BRIEFING REQUIRED MORE MORE INFORMATION AIR-SEA-AND TERRAIN if you not have this information briefing is very diifcoult.
one example italian pilots have german areal recon photo for start a new attak bombers.