Important place of ww2

[Xilon_x]

this post use for identification AREA OF MAP over take areal battle or air raid or naval battle us Google map for post your location.

To il-2 no exist U.S.A. map where are U.S.A. important map.
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[AndyJWest]

Unimportant post of Xilon. ;)

[Xilon_x]

Raid to taranto.

[Xilon_x]

BATTLE OF BRITAIN one ITALIAN Base.........

[AndyJWest]

All significant areas for World War II:

[Xilon_x]

No no AndyJWest because all World?
impossible all World to il-2. very impossible.

i take this post for take a point to important area of world little area not small area.

[bf-110]

Taranto is said to be on SoW.
US (mainland) I already asked,but,nobody seem to like for 1946.
Battle of Britain...SoW.

And BTW,maybe a Tokyo map?I guess the city was almost as bombed as Berlin.

[LukeFF]

Thank goodness for the ignore feature.

[BadAim]

Oh, yeah. Ain't that the truth! Although, I do find myself wondering in the deep, dark recesses of my mind (you know the place where I'm fascinated by spiders even though I'm an arachnophobe ) what piece of banal nonsense Xilon has cooked up. The human mind is an odd place isn't it?

[swiss]

The human mind is an odd place isn't it?

I fear his is a pitch black, empty place.

[Skoshi Tiger]

After the Britain map, I guess we're all expecting North Africa. Would it hurt to ask for a Norway map to fly our Blenheims, Martlets, early model Spitfires and Hurricanes on. Give the axis a bit of fun too with early model aircraft.

Cheers!

[Xilon_x]

From Norway Attak ENGLAND
From Germany Attak ENGLAND
From.....?????? exist another way fro attak England?

[Novotny]

A fro attak? The Tuskagee Airmen didn't even start training until 1941, and they were on the red team. Doesn't make sense.

[swiss]

LOL, I can't see a single red line going from Germany to England.

[JVM]

The CAI G50 were based in Ursel and Maldeghem, the BR20 bombers in Brussels/Melsbroek and Chièvres.

The Cr-42 were based in Ursel.

I have the feeling none of the airfields above belong to the map, but we may be able to replace them by either Oostende, Koksjide or Ieper.

Besides the G50 were also using Desvres and Merville as forward airfields at the end of their stay in Belgium so we could be covered there.

JVM

[Necrobaron]

I'm thinking we have a language barrier issue here.
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[julian265]

Before I use the ignore feature, how do you write comments next to the thread name? (such as nonsense, etc)

[bf-110]

Attacking England from Norway???You just take out the "r" from Norway...
That is possible today,but not in 1940.

[zapatista]

Attacking England from Norway???You just take out the "r" from Norway...
That is possible today,but not in 1940.

at first glance it might sound odd because it is a long way away (compared to france or belgium's coast), but it is a historical fact the germans used planes from norway during the BoB period

... Luftflotte 5, led by Generaloberst Hans-Jürgen Stumpff from his headquarters in Norway, targeted the north of England and Scotland...

german losses in those attacks were very high, and their pilots dreaded the journey (isnt this the period/location they started refering to themselves as "tomato" ?). they often met high english resistance and be outnumbered, and damaged aircraft on the return journey often had to ditch in the sea which was an almost certain death sentence (area was vast and wide, with little chance of rescue)

the reverse problem also existed during the British "norway campaign" when they sent large numbers of ground troops there (which turned into a disaster). english fighters tried to provide air cover (sent from Britain) but were short on fuel and could only stay over their troops for brief periods of time. german pilots had the luxury of nearby ground bases and so would dominate the skies (the opposite of BoB in southern england)

[swiss]

what kind of stratigic targets were in North England or Scotland?

[Skoshi Tiger]

what kind of stratigic targets were in North England or Scotland?

Scapa Flow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapa_Flow

[swiss]

One single raid?

Sounds like they just kept the Brits from using it.

[zapatista]

what kind of stratigic targets were in North England or Scotland?
iirc mainly industrial targets (possibly involved with aircraft production ?). a more significant strategic reason was probably to try and split the english aerial defenses, and prevent the British from assigning all of their forces to the south

[Skoshi Tiger]

One single raid?

Sounds like they just kept the Brits from using it.

Maybe not the best link. Scapa Flow was the main British naval base. If you think of North atlantic convoys - think Scapa Flow

[KOM.Nausicaa]

what kind of stratigic targets were in North England or Scotland?

Simple answer: the english coastal shipping and convoys. When talking about the BoB, one has to keep always in mind that cutting off England from supplies was a major part of the strategy. The BoB started with air raids against shipping as early as May 40, and although industrial targets and aerodromes were targetted later on, the raids against shipping never stopped during the BoB, and even after.

Concerning Bombers from Norway, the Luftwaffe also attacked industrial targets in Northern England.

[KOM.Nausicaa]

All significant areas for World War II:

That one made me really laugh ! :D

[Xilon_x]

i not find german attak to england coast from norway coast but the document exist.



BUT DESVRES NOT HAVE AIRPORT

[bf-110]

what kind of stratigic targets were in North England or Scotland?

Distilleries :-P

Nah,IDK.Any aircraft/tank/handweapons/ship/guns factory located there?
Or maybe the northern part of GB was easier for an invasion.

[Igo kyu]

There were raids across the North Sea. Not really many, because there were no fighters with the range to support the bombers, and there was radar up there, so they did get intercepted. The weather was often bad enough to make both accurate bombing and interception difficult.

[JVM]

BUT DESVRES NOT HAVE AIRPORT

Yes it has (had, actually)...

JVM

[WTE_Galway]

what kind of stratigic targets were in North England or Scotland?

Shipyards around Newcastle, Tyneside Sunderland etc


In reality Luftflotte 5 only made one serious attack which was a disaster:

Quote from Narrow Margin by Derek Wood and Derek Dempster:

"Then followed an attack which was to be the most interesting of the whole day. Banking on tactical surprise and conveniently forgetting the radar chain, Luftflotte 5 launched two simultaneous thrusts in the north and the north-east. They expected little opposition and their reception came as a painful surprise."

"At 8 minutes past 12 radar began to plot a formation of twenty plus opposite the Firth of Forth at a range of over 90 miles. As the raid drew closer the estimates went up to thirty in three sections flying SW towards Tynemouth."

"At Watnall the approach of 13 Groups first daylight raid was watched on the operations table with particular interest. With an hours warning the controller was able to put squadrons in an excellent position to attack, with 72 Squadron Spitfires in the path of the enemy off the Farne Islands and 605 Squadron over Tyneside. Nos 79 and 607 were also put up, but while the latter was in the path of the raid, No 79 was too far north."

"No 72 Squadron from Acklington was the first to make contact and it came as a distinct shock when the thirty materialised as I and III/KG 26 with sixty-five Heinkel 111s, and the entire I/ZG 76 from Stavanger with thirty-four Me 110s. After a brief pause in which to survey the two massive groups flying in vic formation, Squadron-Leader E. Graham led No 72 straight in from the flank, one section attacking the fighters, and the rest the bombers."

"The Me 110s formed defensive circles, while the Heinkels split up. Some of them jettisoned their bombs and headed back to Norway, leaving several of their number in the sea. The separate parts of the formation finally reached the coast, one south of Sunderland and the other south of Acklington. No 79 intercepted the northern group over the water, while a flight from No 605 Squadron caught it over land. Most of the HEs fell harmlessly in the sea."

"The group off Sunderland found Nos 607 and 41 waiting for it and they too bombed to little effect, apart from wrecking houses. The raiders turned back to Norway, the Me 110s having already departed some minutes before. Of a total force of about 100, eight bombers and seven fighters were destroyed and several more damaged without British loss. The airfield targets such as Usworth, Linton on Ouse and Dishforth went unscathed. One Staffel of III/KG 26 lost five of its nine aircraft in the course of the fighting."

[Xilon_x]

oooooooooooo yes yes JVM tank you for your information i loock your photo.

yes this is desvres ww2 airport.

[JVM]

Beware! there was not really any control tower at Desvres airfield: the area you mention contains the park, farm and "chateau du Desert" which had been commandeered by the Luftwaffe for the pilots and troops of course. The hangar you see is a modern 1990 ULM hangar not much used nowadays.
No hangar exists in Desvres anymore, only their bases as in the photo, aligned along the south peripheral taxiway and the around the small wood on the West.
There were also some hangar bases (probably only blast walls actually) around the chateau area to the east, but they have been destroyed last year.

JVM

[Xilon_x]

Gibraltair.

[HundertneunGustav]

Gibraltar is okay...

gimme spanish heinkels, portuguese glosters and P-39s...
SM-79 and CANT Bombers from sardigna...

But i remember no "big" aerial battles around the Monkey's Rock.
Planes passing, protection of shipping lanes... recce flights...

for shipping, its an important place. in SHIII that spot is a bi*ch to pass, but rich Uboat hunting ground.

interesting spot really. could be used as a starting point for Malta convoys.

[Xilon_x]

you not remember Italian heavy bombers Piaggio p 108 to Gibraltar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaggio_P.108

[HundertneunGustav]

i see why pearl harbos has been done. for one massive big arse attack that went dow in history and had a big effect.

but create a map for gibraltar, send a handsful of Piaggios over and you call that "important"?

interesting. at best.
consider the work!!!

[swiss]

Very important place:

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/22714

Lots of war changing thoughts were made there - can we please have one in the game?