Friday 2010-06-11 Dev. update and Discussion Thread

[Oleg Maddox]

Hi,
Unfortunatelly, today I wasn't able to make new shots. On my PC compiled version was crashed all the time today and guys found why too late :( (I tried to build special missions for screenshots). So I will show these that were done more early.

[=XIII=Shea]

Thank you so much Oleg for these great screenshots,fridays are the best day ever:):):):):)

[Red Dragon-DK]

Wow looks great. And then we can see the difference between a brand-new spit and one which has been useful neglected for a while. thanks for the update.

[Daniël]

Nice pictures. Nice weathering on the Spitfire and the Walrus is beautiful:grin:

If planes are very much used in a campagne and the engine is almost broken and almost al the paint is gone, can the engine be changed and can the plane get a new coat of paint?

[kendo65]

Looking good. Nice to see some of the lesser-known aircraft make an appearance. Will the Me108 be flyable?

The shot of the Italian aircraft looks photographic, and I love the clouds in the 108 shot.

[DB605]

Great pics, weathering looks good on spit. And Bf-108 looks beautiful, really shame if we won't be able to fly it...

[Montoro]

Nice shots!!! The spit "used" look is great!

[Dano]

Looking great, have concerns over my machine being able to run at that detail level though, are we going to have adjustable detail settings for aircraft and if so what level are we seeing in the shots?

[KaHzModAn]

Nice planes !! that's my first post here
i've been around for some time but never took time to thank you !
these screenshots are great !

but I was just wondering, will the water be more "agitated" in tough weather ?
like some bigger waves ? it would be great, flying at almost sea level in a tempest and having to take a bit of altitude to avoid being hit by a wave !

(although i can understand it can be pretty hard to do such a thing, especially whith boats and floatplanes...)

[F19_lacrits]

Very nice screen shots! The last few weeks are showing nice progress :)
The Macchi 200 is very nice.. or is it a G.50?.. love the clouds and depth in the view :D

There seems to be a hole in the stabilizer of the spits? Is this just a rendering issue or skins issue.. easily fixed I'm sure.. it is visible also on the far spit..

[Compans]

Looking great but the lettering on the Spit should be grey - not white.

S! Comp

[CharveL]

So...two weeks then?

/ hits ctrl-e

[Derzasi]

Thank you Oleg an Team,
every week is like the "The Cure" song:
-Friday I'm in Love-.....LoL

[Flyby]

I forget. Is the Taifun flyable?
Flyby out

[mazex]

Nice with a Beaufighter shot for a change!

Off to LA and E3 now? ;)

The shots are starting to feel a lot less Alpha and more Beta now - so when will some kind of marketing campaign start - and by which publisher?

Good luck! /Mazex

[Avimimus]

Has a flight simulator ever been really marketed (other than the MS CFS series and a couple TV spots for Pacific Fighters)?

P.S.
Very nice to see that some of the older AI models are making it into the sim.

[zauii]

Stunning work.

[AdMan]

I think this is the first time we've seen a truly overcast sky

[erco]

The clouds in the first two shots are starting to look pretty darn good.

I finally figured out what was bothering me about some of the other cloud pics- the bottoms of the clouds are too round. Most developed cumulus have well defined, flat bottoms. For that matter, a developing cu will have well defined edges on the top, also, when viewed from a reasonable distance.

[AdMan]

The clouds in the first two shots are starting to look pretty darn good.

I finally figured out what was bothering me about some of the other cloud pics- the bottoms of the clouds are too round. Most developed cumulus have well defined, flat bottoms. For that matter, a developing cu will have well defined edges on the top, also, when viewed from a reasonable distance.

^there's already been a quite lengthy discussion about this, frankly, don't hold your breath to see well defined flat-bottomed cumulus/cumulonimbus.

[philip.ed]

This is looking awesome, we can see this coming to life now :D

Those clouds aren't half bad too. If they are defined a bit more, solidified a bit, and included with flat-bottom this will knock anything in any sim for six! :D

Oleg, check this out:

here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeVot2YqJ5s

[proton45]

The (auto) weathering/paint on the Spitfires look great !!!!

[gm1]

Fantastic shots. Even more excited about now. Great work!:grin:

[ElAurens]

I so want to fly the Walrus.

I love flying boats.

[Qpassa]

This is looking awesome, we can see this coming to life now :D

Those clouds aren't half bad too. If they are defined a bit more, solidified a bit, and included with flat-bottom this will knock anything in any sim for six! :D

Oleg, check this out:

here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeVot2YqJ5s

fantastic video :o

[swiss]

To be honest:; Those pics look like IL2.
(maybe slightly pimped, IL, bust still...)
All the pics we have been shown had way higher details.

What happened?

[philip.ed]

Oleg has said these pictures are slightly older.

[Friendly_flyer]

I love the weathering on the Spitfire! How many missions must you survive to get it that worn? How worn can a plane get if you treat her well?

It was great to see the Walrus! Is there a hope that she will, at some point in the future, be made flyable?

The markings on the Spitfire is a bit off though. Squadron codes on RAF planes was usually sky (the same light green-blue-gray colour they used on the underside), or sometimes medium sea gray (a somewhat darker, less saturated hue). The serial numbers were always in black, and in 1940 always a single letter followed by four numbers, with no spacing or hyphen.

[Ernst]

To be honest:; Those pics look like IL2.
(maybe slightly pimped, IL, bust still...)
All the pics we have been shown had way higher details.

What happened?

My concerns are more about new FMs, aircraft management and historical aspects than graphics. I already stated here that actual graphics Oleg showed us are beyond my expectatives about graphics. 3rd party can develop more beautifull graphics, i think Oleg and his teams are more worried in engine development than nice graphics. What i expect from SoW is new and more powerfull engine. Whats the advantage of nice graphics but porked fms and engine like FSX.

If you complain so much Oleg ll give you nice graphics but bad engine, fms. If there is lack of time to develop nice graphics and the engine, fms i would prefer engine and fms.

Oleg can you bring updates about other features in SoW, like management of aircrafts, fms etc?

[David603]

Very nice screen shots! The last few weeks are showing nice progress :)
The Macchi 200 is very nice.. or is it a G.50?.. love the clouds and depth in the view :D

There seems to be a hole in the stabilizer of the spits? Is this just a rendering issue or skins issue.. easily fixed I'm sure.. it is visible also on the far spit..
I don't think that's a hole, it looks like the mechanism for the elevator trim tabs.

[Mango]

The markings on the Spitfire is a bit off though. Squadron codes on RAF planes was usually sky (the same light green-blue-gray colour they used on the underside), or sometimes medium sea gray (a somewhat darker, less saturated hue). The serial numbers were always in black, and in 1940 always a single letter followed by four numbers, with no spacing or hyphen.

There's an interesting discussion in last month's Fly Past magazine (Battle of Britain Special Edition) on the colors and paint schemes for different time periods and squadrons. I hope someone on Oleg's team has seen this (for what it's worth).

[major_setback]

For comparison (with summer grass too!):

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Spit-Colourspitfire.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2550/3757129355_a725e34818_o.jpg

[SlipBall]

Thank's for the up-date...the weathering looks pretty good, would like to see some wing wear from foot traffic, and exhaust stains would also look good:grin:.

[kendo65]

What i expect from SoW is new and more powerfull engine. Whats the advantage of nice graphics but porked fms and engine like FSX.

If you complain so much Oleg ll give you nice graphics but bad engine, fms. If there is lack of time to develop nice graphics and the engine, fms i would prefer engine and fms.

Oleg can you bring updates about other features in SoW, like management of aircrafts, fms etc?

And what evidence do you have that the flight models or engine will be 'porked'?

We get the nice pictures at this stage because they are easy to show - we can see directly these aspects of the game. How is Oleg supposed to SHOW US features such as flight models or in-depth details of the engine? No way this can be done until advanced features are in place and video of them can be released. (even then we won't know anything much about the flight models until we get to try them out ourselves)

The only alternative is wordy descriptions of up-coming features; something that Oleg has given us in interviews and on these forum pages.

Whats the advantage of nice graphics but porked fms and engine like FSX.

They aren't mutually exclusive! Just happens that one is easy to show with simple screenshots. We know nothing about the state of FMs / engine, but most of us don't jump to negative conclusions on basis of NO evidence.

[major_setback]

....There seems to be a hole in the stabilizer of the spits? Is this just a rendering issue or skins issue.. easily fixed I'm sure.. it is visible also on the far spit..

I think you maybe mean the elevator rather than 'stabilizer'? It is the trim tab actuating mechanism I think.

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2001/12/images/detail_spitfire_ix_17.jpg

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2001/12/images/detail_spitfire_ix_18.jpg

[No457_Squog]

Looking good for the most part, but one critical element still looks to be missing:

Pilot Goggles!!!

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

I think you maybe mean the elevator rather than 'stabilizer'? It is the trim tab actuating mechanism I think.

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2001/12/images/detail_spitfire_ix_17.jpg

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2001/12/images/detail_spitfire_ix_18.jpg

Yup that's it! It looks like a hole or a render bug because the elevator is gray while the trim tab actuator is the same brown as the fuselage skin. It's an optical illusion.

[DoolittleRaider]

...
The markings on the Spitfire is a bit off though... The serial numbers were always in black, and in 1940 always a single letter followed by four numbers, with no spacing or hyphen.
First, the Spit looks fantastic!!! Superb detail and weathering.
As for serial numbering, I agree with Friendly-flyer: Serial numbers should be of the letter plus four digits until August ’41 when Spitfires began to come off the production line with serial numbers with two letter and three digits. (having run through the Z-xxxx series)
A Spitfire with the serial number 7854 was in the "P" production series, i.e. P7854. P7854 was assigned to 74 Sqdn in March ‘41, and would have carried Sqdn code letters of ZP (ZP-B or, ZP-C, or ZP-X, etc) So the skin (in SOW:BofB) could hypothetically show for example, a ZP-D P7854. Or, of course, Sailor Malan’s actual Spit, ZP-A K9953.
Also, I’ve not yet been able to find a Sqdn identified with the code letters GB. If there is a photo basis could it be posted? I’d be very interested to know the historical basis for the GB-R 2-7854 shown in the screencaptured Spit.
I'm hoping for insanely accurate historical detail in SOW:BofB.

Keep up the good work, Oleg and team!

[David603]

First, the Spit looks fantastic!!! Superb detail and weathering.
As for serial numbering, I agree with Friendly-flyer: Serial numbers should be of the letter plus four digits until August ’41 when Spitfires began to come off the production line with serial numbers with two letter and three digits. (having run through the Z-xxxx series)
A Spitfire with the serial number 7854 was in the "P" production series, i.e. P7854. P7854 was assigned to 74 Sqdn in March ‘41, and would have carried Sqdn code letters of ZP (ZP-B or, ZP-C, or ZP-X, etc) So the skin (in SOW:BofB) could hypothetically show for example, a ZP-D P7854. Or, of course, Sailor Malan’s actual Spit, ZP-A K9953.
Also, I’ve not yet been able to find a Sqdn identified with the code letters GB. If there is a photo basis could it be posted? I’d be very interested to know the historical basis for the GB-R 2-7854 shown in the screencaptured Spit.
I'm hoping for insanely accurate historical detail in SOW:BofB.

Keep up the good work, Oleg and team!
My interpretation is that the markings system is only just being implemented into the sim now, and that the current squadron codes and serial numbers are probably just placeholders while the devs work the bugs out of the system.

It would certainly explain why GB is being used as a code on British aircraft, and the serial number 3-456 on the Spitfire in the background. Also the absence of marking on most aircraft.

[gibxxi]

Also, the aircraft serial number was of a much smaller size, and placed further back on the fuselage than is depicted in these screenshots.

But as Oleg himself stressed, these are OLDER shots and may not be representative of current work. Nonetheless awesome work, as always, thanks for sharing Oleg & team. Can't wait to fly these babies.

:)

[Ernst]

And what evidence do you have that the flight models or engine will be 'porked'?

We get the nice pictures at this stage because they are easy to show - we can see directly these aspects of the game. How is Oleg supposed to SHOW US features such as flight models or in-depth details of the engine? No way this can be done until advanced features are in place and video of them can be released. (even then we won't know anything much about the flight models until we get to try them out ourselves)

The only alternative is wordy descriptions of up-coming features; something that Oleg has given us in interviews and on these forum pages.



They aren't mutually exclusive! Just happens that one is easy to show with simple screenshots. We know nothing about the state of FMs / engine, but most of us don't jump to negative conclusions on basis of NO evidence.

You do not understand my comment. I have no evidences and i did not say fm ll be porked. I said just the opposite. I expect OLEG TEAM will concentrate in better fms and engine. And yes, they are not muttualy exclusive. I only said people do not worry to much about graphics, the actual ones Oleg presented are great.

I say this cause there are some complaining about clouds textures, planes textures bla bla bla... To me this screenshots Oleg showed are great even it is WIP or not.

Part of your misuderstanding must be due my bad english. Sorry :o

[choctaw111]

Thanks again, Oleg, for another update.
Everything is looking very good.

[AdMan]

You do not understand my comment. I have no evidences and i did not say fm ll be porked. I said just the opposite. I expect OLEG TEAM will concentrate in better fms and engine. And yes, they are not muttualy exclusive. I only said people do not worry to much about graphics, the actual ones Oleg presented are great.

I say this cause there are some complaining about clouds textures, planes textures bla bla bla... To me this screenshots Oleg showed are great even it is WIP or not.

Part of your misuderstanding must be due my bad english. Sorry :o

clouds are probably the most important visual aspect of a flight sim. Sorry but graphics and flight model are equally important to me

[fireflyerz]

For comparison (with summer grass too!):

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Spit-Colourspitfire.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2550/3757129355_a725e34818_o.jpg

Beautiful Pics , got any more...?

And Oleg if your about , are we going to see aircraft bouncing on take off and landings on grass strips and to go with that - squishy tires ?

[Flanker35M]

S!

Nice shots again. The weathering is WIP I think? It looks a bit like a gaggle of kids had been slapping their muddy hands on the plane's exterior. If I compare it to those planes we have at work (yes prop planes too, not only jets) the most likely places with tear & wear are the prop edges, areas behind exhaust pipe getting smoldered, edges of hatches/access doors having chipped paint, dirtier paint and chipped paint where landing gear throws up dust, streaks of oil etc. from drain holes, leading edges having chipped paint etc. So IMO the weathering is a bit strange as it has no pattern in on the Spit, more like slapped on the plane.

But this is for sure WIP :) Just observations and nice to see SoW shape up very nicely. Thank you for the update.

[rakinroll]

Thanks Oleg.

[RedToo]

Beautiful Pics , got any more...?

Hi All,

The photos Major_Setback posted look like they came from my thread over at SimHQ:

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2682133/While_we_re_waiting_for_BoB_So.html#Post2682133

Be aware that I have worked on them in PhotoShop. The original colours are different. You can download the original pics for free now that Google have put all (?) the life archive on the net. They do take a bit of finding though (can't remember my search terms - sorry). The originals are also larger. I have re-sized them to fit my SimHQ thread. There is one more colour pic of a Spit from the same photo shoot. It is also in the SimHQ thread. Hope you enjoy the read!

Edit: here are the original file names from when I downloaded these pics from the Life archive:

2c4034e8f6abbfa8_large.jpg

358f0c1185c0f8e0_large.jpg

4723f569a0a74b6f_large.jpg

If anybody finds any more from this series please let me know.

RedToo.

[_ITAF_UgoRipley]

Hi All,
...They do take a bit of finding though (can't remember my search terms - sorry)...Maybe this? Could it be a good start?
http://images.google.com/images?q=air%20source:life&tbs=isch:1

[major_setback]

Hi All,

The photos Major_Setback posted look like they came from my thread over at SimHQ:

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2682133/While_we_re_waiting_for_BoB_So.html#Post2682133

Be aware that I have worked on them in PhotoShop. The original colours are different. You can download the original pics for free now that Google have put all (?) the life archive on the net. They do take a bit of finding though (can't remember my search terms - sorry). The originals are also larger. I have re-sized them to fit my SimHQ thread. There is one more colour pic of a Spit from the same photo shoot. It is also in the SimHQ thread. Hope you enjoy the read!

Edit: here are the original file names from when I downloaded these pics from the Life archive:

2c4034e8f6abbfa8_large.jpg

358f0c1185c0f8e0_large.jpg

4723f569a0a74b6f_large.jpg

If anybody finds any more from this series please let me know.

RedToo.

I took them from another site actually, I can't remember which one..they must have taken the links from simHQ.
Sorry for stealing them.

I hope you won't mind if I reproduce the third one from the series here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/RedToo/Spitfire-re-arm.jpg

[RedToo]

No problem MS. Just found the title and photographer of the Life shoot:

Daylight Fighter Sweep by William Vandivert

Off to continue searching!

RedToo.

[major_setback]

.....Beautiful Pics , got any more...?



I'm happy to oblige!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Colour%20aircraft%20WWII/4162925396_22eb40acb8_ohurricane.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Colour%20aircraft%20WWII/2528150904_1b4eb95a94_ospitfire.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Colour%20aircraft%20WWII/4143562794_ece3a40fb5_owalrus.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Colour%20aircraft%20WWII/2526699843_b0481d9df5_owalrus.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3063/2833229634_28b8d57f03_o.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Colour%20aircraft%20WWII/2527522690_7604c1c959_ospitfire.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Colour%20aircraft%20WWII/2526720177_90a9855773_ohurricane.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Colour%20aircraft%20WWII/2526702409_ac3465b390_ospitfire.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Colour%20aircraft%20WWII/2526700327_74f19171ff_otyphoon.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Colour%20aircraft%20WWII/2525592162_bb9777a143_obeaufighter.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Colour%20aircraft%20WWII/3310738.jpg




Lots of the above I found here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8270787@N07/sets/72157605269786717/?page=3



And here (US):

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/1a34881u.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/1a34909u.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/1a34949u10fg9.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/1a35288u1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/1a35303u.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/1a35322u1im3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/1a35354u.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/1a35397u1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/p-51-mustang-p51.jpg


The above are form here (click 2 times on smaller images for full size):

http://www.shorpy.com/image/tid/47

[swiss]

Looking at the Hurri, it's proven: British paint(jobs) really suck(s). lol

[Zorin]

I am sorry, but I have to nitpick again.

The position of the landing light on the BF 108 is wrong.

It should be to the left of the pitot tube and not on an extended arm.

http://www.luftarchiv.de/index.htm?/flugzeuge/messerschmitt/me108.htm

http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewiki/77/Me108_Messerschmitt_Stiftung.jpg

http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/7832-5/agg.jpg

http://www.network54.com/Forum/473104/message/1263994203/Messerschmitt+BF-108.+Taifun+en+Espa%F1a+y+otros+paises+%28Parte+1% 29

This really strikes me as odd, cause it is visible on like any picture of the Bf 108. so why is it wrong on your model?

But even more important in terms of DM, do you have the fire extinguisher system modeled?

[fireflyerz]

I took them from another site actually, I can't remember which one..they must have taken the links from simHQ.
Sorry for stealing them.

I hope you won't mind if I reproduce the third one from the series here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/RedToo/Spitfire-re-arm.jpg

Wow now thats a proper Bob shot and almost definately a land and rearm and back to full readyness...awsome and thanks.

[philip.ed]

It's not BoB era, but it's a beautiful shot! I''d say this is late 1940 (or late October 1940) to early 1941. The pilot appears to be wearing a 1941 pattern mae west. It may be the BoB 1932 pattern, but the colour looks off (unless he doped the whole thing yellow)
Also, the white-band on the spits fuselage didn't appear in the BoB I don't think :D

But man these are some great shots. I can remember seeing them in a life magazine from the period :cool:

[Foo'bar]

I am sorry, but I have to nitpick again.

The position of the landing light on the BF 108 is wrong.

It should be to the left of the pitot tube and not on an extended arm.

http://www.luftarchiv.de/index.htm?/flugzeuge/messerschmitt/me108.htm

http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewiki/77/Me108_Messerschmitt_Stiftung.jpg

http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/7832-5/agg.jpg

http://www.network54.com/Forum/473104/message/1263994203/Messerschmitt+BF-108.+Taifun+en+Espa%F1a+y+otros+paises+%28Parte+1% 29

This really strikes me as odd, cause it is visible on like any picture of the Bf 108. so why is it wrong on your model?

But even more important in terms of DM, do you have the fire extinguisher system modeled?

More here:
http://www.militaryaircraft.de/pictures/military/aircraft/Bf-109/Bf-109_Me-108_2007-09-WTD61_0463_800.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/0/09/20060121184908!Messerschmitt_Bf108.jpg

[Xilon_x]

Foo'bar i like m108 have modern desine this plane in ww2 used for transport or training the new luftwaffe pilots.
but us mosth for transport.
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_108
Luxury was a plane dedicated to a clientele of wealthy individuals or political apparel

[FG28_Kodiak]

You can find the Baubeschreibung (specification) Bf-108 on Cockpitinstrumente:
http://www.cockpitinstrumente.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/m/Messerschmitt/Me%20108/Baubeschreibung%20Me%20108.pdf

[Friendly_flyer]

I'm happy to oblige!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Colour%20aircraft%20WWII/4162925396_22eb40acb8_ohurricane.jpg

Good grief! That is one worn down Hurricane! Now, this is a Royal Navy aeroplane, and the salty sea will do bad things to paint, but still, if this is the state to which an aeroplane were allowed to deteriorate to, then Olegs worn Spitfire has a long way to go...

[Skoshi Tiger]

Good grief! That is one worn down Hurricane! Now, this is a Royal Navy aeroplane, and the salty sea will do bad things to paint, but still, if this is the state to which an aeroplane were allowed to deteriorate to, then Olegs worn Spitfire has a long way to go...

If it was one of the Hurricanes bound for the catapult launch, I think they were quite old and tired. Once they took off if they were too far from land it was a one way trip. Paint would not have been a priority

cheers!

[Xilon_x]

ooooo i love seaplane e AREONATICAL FORCE IN THE NAVY uaoooooooo fantastic. seaplane catapult sistem carrier i loock also expecial japanese u-boat whit catapult sistem for lauch sea-airplane. i love also super giand seaplane. the mine the human torpedo remember italian use human torpedo remember important FLOTTIGLIA X-MAS.
1C very beatifull the WARLUS. congratulation.

[Friendly_flyer]

If it was one of the Hurricanes bound for the catapult launch

Ah, one of the FAA Hurricats, that makes sense. I have read somewhere that one of them was so worn it collapsed on launch. I suppose that Hurri can serve as a "worst possible case still flying" eaxample.

[Flanker35M]

S!

I read somewhere that Fairey Fulmars were also used on catapults on convoys to protect them from prowling Fw200 and U-boats.

[hiro]

the updates coming and can't wait to see the game.

that MS X hell cat video is awesome, and thats been out for a bit . . . with BOB SOW's engine, and the dedication to this sim, we can expect something better (than MS X)

[dflion]

Good posts Oleg,
The Walrus looks very good and like the weathering comparison on the Spits.
Will look forward to a flying sequence. Keep the previews coming.
DFLion

[Oleg Maddox]

I am sorry, but I have to nitpick again.

The position of the landing light on the BF 108 is wrong.

It should be to the left of the pitot tube and not on an extended arm.

http://www.luftarchiv.de/index.htm?/flugzeuge/messerschmitt/me108.htm

http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewiki/77/Me108_Messerschmitt_Stiftung.jpg

http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/7832-5/agg.jpg

http://www.network54.com/Forum/473104/message/1263994203/Messerschmitt+BF-108.+Taifun+en+Espa%F1a+y+otros+paises+%28Parte+1% 29

This really strikes me as odd, cause it is visible on like any picture of the Bf 108. so why is it wrong on your model?

But even more important in terms of DM, do you have the fire extinguisher system modeled?

Will check with 108th.
btw. The site with the drawings: the drawings of the engine are not compatible with the drawings of the plane itself. Just for the notice, that not all things are coming well with such drawings....

fire extinguisher system was modeled in Il-2. Why not to have it in new sim on the planes where it was?

[Oleg Maddox]

This is looking awesome, we can see this coming to life now :D

Those clouds aren't half bad too. If they are defined a bit more, solidified a bit, and included with flat-bottom this will knock anything in any sim for six! :D

Oleg, check this out:

here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeVot2YqJ5s


Currently I see here just wrong colors and almost no lighting (laws).
Clouds: Don't worry with our clouds. You didn't see then all :)

[Snuff_Pidgeon]

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[Tbag]

Clouds: Don't worry with our clouds. You didn't see then all :)

Excellent news!

[Qpassa]

Excellent news!

Agree

[KOM.Nausicaa]

Currently I see here just wrong colors and almost no lighting (laws).

FS series, and CFS series, always had wrong lighting, and strangely "plastic" like reflections, and most and foreall, way to less contrast (light vs shadow in sunlight etc). The first time I started IL2 i was struck by the higher quality of contrast.
I hope we see this again in BoB.

[Oleg Maddox]

FS series, and CFS series, always had wrong lighting, and strangely "plastic" like reflections, and most and foreall, way to less contrast (light vs shadow in sunlight etc). The first time I started IL2 i was struck by the higher quality of contrast.
I hope we see this again in BoB.

I new our engine all thigs are better than in Il-2.

[Qpassa]

please oleg , use some antialiasing in next screenshots

[Abbeville-Boy]

oleg, nothing for E3 to show off :grin:

[furbs]

Oleg...i know you cant say yet about release or system specs...but are we going to see a SOW website soon?

[lbuchele]

Hi, Oleg.
As time is passing , there is a rising curiosity about system specs.( at least for me:grin:)
Do you think we can have a hint anytime soon in the current stage of development?

[Oleg Maddox]

oleg, nothing for E3 to show off :grin:

In my personal opinion, except meetings with some old friends this is the most incorrect place to spend money that is better to invest in development...

[Oleg Maddox]

Hi, Oleg.
As time is passing , there is a rising curiosity about system specs.( at least for me:grin:)
Do you think we can have a hint anytime soon in the current stage of development?

earlier I told that we will say when we will be close to release.
However now I can say that as more power - more better anyway, like for any other good and looking excellent game.

[Oleg Maddox]

Oleg...i know you cant say yet about release or system specs...but are we going to see a SOW website soon?

Can say about website at the moment. It was started already several times....It isn't the work that are doing somebody in our team..

[Daniël]

More questions...
If planes are very much used in a campagne and the engine is almost broken and almost al the paint is gone, can the engine be changed and can the plane get a new coat of paint?

[Zorin]

Will check with 108th.
btw. The site with the drawings: the drawings of the engine are not compatible with the drawings of the plane itself. Just for the notice, that not all things are coming well with such drawings....

fire extinguisher system was modeled in Il-2. Why not to have it in new sim on the planes where it was?

Thanks for checking with the guy responsible for the Bf 108s.

The links were just provided for the photo references. Drawings are always a delicate issue to be handled with care.

Regarding the fire extinguisher system, I was particular about the system on the Bf 108.

EDIT: Edited for reasons of politeness.

[furbs]

Can say about website at the moment. It was started already several times....It isn't the work that are doing somebody in our team..

thanks for the reply Oleg...but does that mean somebody IS working on it?

[swiss]

In my personal opinion, except meetings with some old friends this is the most incorrect place to spend money that is better to invest in development...

LOL!
Made the same experience in our business.
Money spent on a booth will usually not return.

[Il2Pongo]

Was the 109 cockpit shot, where you can see the small planes maneuvering against the clouds in the distance. That indicates to me how they will render the planes you will be dogfighting with, and it looked stunning. That shot is my desktop now and I cannot wait to see more like it.

[bf-110]

I´m almost sure my old faithful will not stand SoW...:(

[BadAim]

Thanks for checking with the guy responsible for the Bf 108s.

The links were just provided for the photo references. Drawings are always a delicate issue to be handled with care.

Regarding the fire extinguisher system, I was particular about the system on the Bf 108. Cause it can be easily overlooked, which is somewhat indicated by such an obvious mistake like the landing light. If I may be so bold.

While I respect your body of work in regards to IL2, Zorin, you have the disposition of a badger and worse manners. Good grief man, lighten up. You'll have a much better life (and a longer one).

[Zorin]

While I respect your body of work in regards to IL2, Zorin, you have the disposition of a badger and worse manners. Good grief man, lighten up. You'll have a much better life (and a longer one).

I am sorry you feel that way. All I am trying to do is get a point across and I rather take your and other people's mockery fot it than seeing it pass unnoticed.

That has nothing to do with bad manners or a particularly negative approach towards life.

[philip.ed]

Worry about your own life mate; you'll waste your time wondering what other 'virtual' people are doing ;)

I repsect Zorin's enthusiasm.

[BadAim]

I'm not concerned at all about Zorin's life except insomuch as I care for anyone's life. I just find it annoying when someone snidely insults someone I respect, then says "I was just kidding" or 'I was only trying to inform you", or whatever the excuse of the day is. I also know that Zorin doesn't care what I or anyone else thinks of him (at least that's what he'll say).

I also reject any notion that this is something other than the "real world". The people behind the posts are just as real as anyone else and deserve the same respect.

I say what I mean, and mean what I say same here as anywhere else. What I said to Zorin was much less an insult than an observation (of several years over several sites).

There are ways to speak to people, and ways not to.

I will, however take your advice to heart Phil, and not engage in this conversation any further.

[philip.ed]

Back to SoW lads :P ;)

[ECV56_Lancelot]

Clouds: Don't worry with our clouds. You didn't see then all :)

Excellent news, i have to admit that clouds was something that got me a little worried too. Not because the ones showed had anything wrong, but because they were all the same changing only the number of clouds present on the screenshots. And i was asking myself too if there would the more dense clouds present on a overcast day but without rain, where you have good visibility below the gray thick cloud layer that covers all the sky (the distance you can see i mean). Like in Black Shark or Lock on.

Keep it up! :)

[jocko417]

This is off topic a bit but I only thought of it as I was falling asleep last night.

Oleg, would it be possible to include the ability to view skins in a viewer program of sorts, like the object viewer, and have the ability to refresh the textures on the 3D model?

One of the biggest delays for skinners is to have to go in and out of the game each time they want to check the progress of the skin they are working on. Having to shut down and restart the game to load the new textures each time takes a lot of time.

Aces High 2 has a skin viewer program that can be run separately from the game and only requires you to hit a refresh button to reload the texture on the model so you can check your work a lot faster with this program running in the background. I'm not asking for a separate program, but if an object viewer is to be included in SoW:BoB, could we have the ability to view different skins and refresh these textures on each model with a button click? Would save a lot of time for skinning :-)

[Oleg Maddox]

This is off topic a bit but I only thought of it as I was falling asleep last night.

Oleg, would it be possible to include the ability to view skins in a viewer program of sorts, like the object viewer, and have the ability to refresh the textures on the 3D model?

One of the biggest delays for skinners is to have to go in and out of the game each time they want to check the progress of the skin they are working on. Having to shut down and restart the game to load the new textures each time takes a lot of time.

Aces High 2 has a skin viewer program that can be run separately from the game and only requires you to hit a refresh button to reload the texture on the model so you can check your work a lot faster with this program running in the background. I'm not asking for a separate program, but if an object viewer is to be included in SoW:BoB, could we have the ability to view different skins and refresh these textures on each model with a button click? Would save a lot of time for skinning :-)


If we plan the tools for third party, then we plan viewr of models...
However i don't know at the moment if we will have also viewer for all models that to look just textures.

[jocko417]

Thanks for your very quick reply :)

[AdMan]

Clouds: Don't worry with our clouds. You didn't see then all :)

yesss!!

I thought maybe the weather model was getting in the way of having more types. great news!

[major_setback]

Oleg - All attention (on the English speaking forums) is on English objects/buildings etc.
Will French towns/villages be modelled in SoW:BoB too?

[Oleg Maddox]

Oleg - All attention (on the English speaking forums) is on English objects/buildings etc.
Will French towns/villages be modelled in SoW:BoB too?

The map is. Then the objects on the map also.

[Omphalos]

Oleg I know its not my business but as far as finances$ go- are you guys doing better than you were 6-12 months ago?

[genbrien]

Hi Oleg.
Nice update as always :)

I was wondering if you can tell us more about how the single player(campagn) will work:

-If the plane conserve the damage it received from mission to mission, will we have the ability to chose what to repair? (like hydrolics line would be 1st priority compare to small bullet holes)

-Will the pilot keep injuries from previous battles ?

Thank you for your time

[proton45]

Oleg I know its not my business but as far as finances$ go- are you guys doing better than you were 6-12 months ago?

You gonna "help them out"? lol... ;)

[Tree_UK]

Hi Oleg, in a recent interview you claimed that thousands of people would be playing SOW by October 2010, is this still realistic?

[Omphalos]

You gonna "help them out"? lol... ;)

lol i would if i was rich, no I just wanna know how the economy is treating them now, since its still pretty much in the crapper. :-x

[Skoshi Tiger]

Hi Oleg, in a recent interview you claimed that thousands of people would be playing SOW by October 2010, is this still realistic?

A lot can be done in four months, but of course he might have been talking about an extensive beta testing program... in Russia ... with people he likes!

But unless it's released online, I probably won't be able to buy it over here in Australia till about a month after it's been released in more civilised place of the the world. :{

Cheers!

Isn't it time for a new friday update?

[easytarget3]

A lot can be done in four months, but of course he might have been talking about an extensive beta testing program... in Russia ... with people he likes!

But unless it's released online, I probably won't be able to buy it over here in Australia till about a month after it's been released in more civilised place of the the world. :{

Cheers!

Isn't it time for a new friday update?
yep,iam refreshing page every 5 minutes :-)))

[Schallmoser]

yep,iam refreshing page every 5 minutes :-)))

+1 :grin:
cheers
Schallmoser

[BadAim]

I made an unfortunately ill considered post (two actually) earlier in this post regarding Zorin, and I would like to publicly say I'm sorry. I'll try to contain myself in the future.