Tank question!

[basola]

Hi guys! i'm tryng to understand how the land combat is working at 100% in il2.
reading the technics.ini, i've see that all armour had range 800mt.
the PzVI tiger I, was equipped with 88Flak18 adapted to this tank.
if you check the data about the 88flak18, it has setted the maximun range at 6000mt.
if you check the tiger's data, the maximun range is 800mt (with the same gun).
my question is.....all tanks range are putted to 800mt by a default setting (so it will be changed as well) or there are othr reasons (game plyability, bug, i dont know :D).

Tnk, Andrea.

[BadAim]

I believe it has to do with playability. If you actually had realistic distances for the Tiger it would be so uber as to be unstoppable. The other thing is that the maximum effective range for a given round is most often much longer than the range at which you can actually make an effective hit. For instance, while a Tiger might be able to run a Sherman through at 2000 M, actually hitting the thing at that distance would be much more problematic. Balthasar Woll might be able to make the shot in his sleep, but probably few others.

[Igo kyu]

There's a whole bunch of other stuff with tanks, they're basically as different and complicated as fighters. For one thing the barrel length of the 88 in the Tiger was shorter than the original AA gun which means the performance would be slightly less.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Tiger I's KWK 88/L43 was more than enough to penetrate Allied tanks at ranges they could only dream of hitting; speaking of early Shermans, T34's etc. King Tiger and Jagdpanther got the new KWK 88/L71 that punched thru anything Allies had to throw at them even farther out with more power. Even the 75mm KWK was a very effective gun used on later models of Panzer IV and Panther for example. A former member of LLv34 had a grandparent that was a tanker in East front and according to him the problem was not killing the Russian tanks but the amount of them rushing at you.

As of land combat in IL-2, it has a ton of flaws..with tanks having tracking speed of a modern Abrams, not being destroyed by a 500kg bomb landing next to them etc.

[Igo kyu]

S!

Tiger I's KWK 88/L43 was more than enough to penetrate Allied tanks at ranges they could only dream of hitting; speaking of early Shermans, T34's etc.
Sure, that's why I said "slightly". I just read L56.1 for that gun. Maybe the same as the Flak, I know the Flak didn't have a muzzle brake, but I don't know of anything else that's different between them.

King Tiger and Jagdpanther got the new KWK 88/L71 that punched thru anything Allies had to throw at them even farther out with more power.
Yeah, but by that time the allies were responding.

Even the 75mm KWK was a very effective gun used on later models of Panzer IV and Panther for example. A former member of LLv34 had a grandparent that was a tanker in East front and according to him the problem was not killing the Russian tanks but the amount of them rushing at you.
Hm, as I said the allies were responding, by that time the T34/85, the JS2, were coming into service, and in the west, Sherman-firefly.

As of land combat in IL-2, it has a ton of flaws..with tanks having tracking speed of a modern Abrams, not being destroyed by a 500kg bomb landing next to them etc.
I don't know about that, I don't try to work out what's going on with tanks in IL*2. Tanks are very tough by design, a bomb would have to be very close to destroy one, you could probably turn some tanks over without destroying them (if their own ammunition didn't go off from falling inside them).

[baronWastelan]

S!

Tiger I's KWK 88/L43 was more than enough to penetrate Allied tanks at ranges they could only dream of hitting; speaking of early Shermans, T34's etc. King Tiger and Jagdpanther got the new KWK 88/L71 that punched thru anything Allies had to throw at them even farther out with more power. Even the 75mm KWK was a very effective gun used on later models of Panzer IV and Panther for example. A former member of LLv34 had a grandparent that was a tanker in East front and according to him the problem was not killing the Russian tanks but the amount of them rushing at you.

As of land combat in IL-2, it has a ton of flaws..with tanks having tracking speed of a modern Abrams, not being destroyed by a 500kg bomb landing next to them etc.

I actually did manage to destroy one T34/76 with a 500kg bomb by landing it very close at the front of the tank, maybe 3 meters or so. I was surprised to see it destroyed and glad to have made the track to see how I had managed it. It was the only time I had ever killed a tank with a bf 109. I was using mods so I don't know if that had anything to do with it.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Got the early KWK 88 numbers wrong, sorry Igo ;) The 88mm penetrated ALL allied tanks, both western and eastern makes. The Germans had very good optics on their tanks, which made a difference especially in East. IMO Panther was the best tank of WW2 as it had high power main gun and wide tracks, sloped armor and good speed.

About a 500kg bomb exploding next to a tank. The blast alone would tip the tank over or damage it and shock of the blast could kill the crew or severely hurt them making the tank useless. Well, IL-2 is old and SoW for sure has a better DM for gound units :)

[Igo kyu]

About a 500kg bomb exploding next to a tank. The blast alone would tip the tank over or damage it and shock of the blast could kill the crew or severely hurt them making the tank useless. Well, IL-2 is old and SoW for sure has a better DM for gound units :)
But how near is near? It's very difficult to get a hit on a tank with a bomb, so a really near miss is unlikely too (though more likely than a hit).

3 metres as above might do it, but 10 metres? Unlikely I'd have thought.