SOW System specs

[Tree_UK]

Hi Oleg, with the release of SOW only 4 months away would it be possible to let us have the system specs required to run this game.

Many Thanks

[furbs]

plus...Oleg when are we going to see a SOW website?

[philip.ed]

Whilst you're at it, can I have a cup of tea too?

[Pato Salvaje]

"would it be possible to let us have the system specs required to run this game."

+1

I´m thinking about build a new pc... any idea about the specs really will help us...;)

[Chivas]

Hi Oleg, with the release of SOW only 4 months away would it be possible to let us have the system specs required to run this game.

Many Thanks

This is my only real concern with SOW. I'm sure Oleg is really having a hard time making all these new features and very complex modelling work with playable framerates. I'm sure he'll be fine tuning the code right up to the end to get every frame he can. This could be one reason he could delay announcing system spec until the last possible moment.

[fireflyerz]

Whilst you're at it, can I have a cup of tea too?

What!!! , how dare you , who do you think you are , you shoud be banned for such insults , now take all your 50 p's and GET OUT.

[Eries]

Hi Oleg, with the release of SOW only 4 months away would it be possible to let us have the system specs required to run this game.

Many Thanks

I'm pretending its my first day here too. :) ;) :)

[Qpassa]

Minimum:

i7 920
12 GB RAM
Nvidia 480

:P

[zauii]

Hi Oleg, with the release of SOW only 4 months away would it be possible to let us have the system specs required to run this game.

Many Thanks

Who says its even gonna be released by then?

We all know Oleg wants/needs to finish it more or less this year, however we've no real official confirmation besides the "maybe"-factor
and statement regarding the BoB anniversary. Unless we hear something this summer, there is no way it's coming out this fall.

A good indication would at be videos/trailers in a more (official form).

[baronWastelan]

Which is the prefered OS for running S-o'W: Windows 98 or Linux?

[AndyJWest]

Which is the prefered OS for running S-o'W: Windows 98 or Linux?

CP/M: ;)
A minimal 8-bit CP/M system would contain the following components:

* A computer terminal using the ASCII character set (very early systems used a teleprinter instead)
* An Intel 8080 (and later the 8085) or Zilog Z80 microprocessor
* At least 16 kilobytes of RAM
* A means to bootstrap the first sector of the diskette
* At least one floppy disk drive

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/M

[Skarphol]

Oh, I'm way ahead of you all!
I built a new computer with SOW:BOB in mind around christmas 2006!
I'm not kidding!

It runs Il-2 pretty well, though..

And to all you norwegians out there: Happy constitution day!

Skarphol

[Avimimus]

Hi Oleg, with the release of SOW only 4 months away would it be possible to let us have the system specs required to run this game.

Many Thanks

Tree_UK: It is a good question, but I'd assume Q1 or Q2 is more plausible.

Still... Oleg did say that he'd give us a ballpark estimate within six months to release. ;)

[philip.ed]

What!!! , how dare you , who do you think you are , you shoud be banned for such insults , now take all your 50 p's and GET OUT.

:-P Actually, some of my 50p's are in your pocket so can I have them back? Also, Oleg owes me a fiver so what can we do about that? :D

[gibxxi]

Minimum:

i7 920
12 GB RAM
Nvidia 480

:P

This is what worries me. And looking at the screen-shots that have been posted, i can see it being distinct possibility. My system meets those requirements on everything but graphics.

Currently have 2xGTX260's in SLI, but I honestly don't think it's going to be enough, especially at low altitude. Hell, WoP starts jerking slightly for me at 1280*1024 down at low altitude, so I think most people who think they can run at full detail on their current systems are in for a disappointment.

Regards.

[SG1_Gunkan]

I7 or I5? Wait to I9?

I and going to buy a new computer, and some people say that for gaming, I5 is better.

[gibxxi]

I don't know about you, but when I build a computer, i do so with longevity in mind. I usually upgrade the graphics hardware at some point in it's operational life, but the core components stay the same, barring any mishap.

It's all about price vs. performance. The Core i5 & i3 are aimed at mainstream / budget markets, and a lot of people will build systems around them because the money they save they can put toward a better graphics card, or cards.

The Core-i7 is undoubtedly a better processor than the Core-i5, both for gaming and general use. Whether it is better for YOU depends on how much of your budget is left over for the remainder of the system.

But bear this in mind, the boards for the Core series of CPU's can only take other CPU's in that series. So upgrading a core-i5 to a Core-i7 later on will mandate a replacement motherboard as well as the processor.

Replacing these parts later is a lot more difficult than the graphics card, so I'd say if gaming is not your only usage, buy a Core-i7 and get a decent graphics card when you can afford to. It may save you headaches in the long term.

Otherwise, if it's too expensive for you to consider, get the Core-i5 or even the Phenom and mate it with a powerful graphics card.

Regards.

[Flanker35M]

S!

So if SoW is running in both DirectX 9 and DirectX 11 then the minimum requirements can be pretty reasonable as most of today's computers are more than capable of running this.

The Minimum Requirements are IMO a joke as they usually present the crappiest settings that the game runs on, forget fancy smoke or lighting, high polygon count, sharp textures etc. The minimum could straight be the Recommended as it usually represents normal graphical settings that are playable and look reasonably good.

I would say any Intel/AMD dual/triple/quad/six core can run SoW, rest is up to your GPU. 8800 or greater from nVidia and from ATI 4xxx and greater will fit the playable section, of course my opinion. For those craving for the DX 11 and max details you will need crapload of memory, fastest CPU on the market and best GPU or more (SLI/XFire) to get that.

[BG-09]

Pilots, just start to save and collect money for the new PC...a lot of money...

[Igo kyu]

8800 or greater from nVidia and from ATI 4xxx and greater will fit the playable section
For nVidia you're probably right, but Ati make all sorts of things in the HD 4xxx range, things less than the GF 8600 that you (rightly, in my view) exclude.

The system with Ati (for desktop systems only, they seem to be going berzerk with the laptop card numbering system) seems to be yxxx where y is year/generation number, yzxx where z is a range number, such that for any given year/generation more z = more capability, then yzwx where for any y and z, a higher w is stronger, then we have yzws, where 's' is pretty much always '0'.

So, HD 2600 is four generations ago, and it's less than HD 2900, but from there on with the 2x00 series you are stuck with suffixes to find out what else is happening. Then you get the HD 3zw0 series, they drop the suffixes (hooray), the HD 3870 is better than the HD3850 (which is pretty close to the GF 8800), the HD 3850 is better than the HD 3670 is better than the HD 3650 and so on. It doesn't follow that the 3850 is less than the 2900, though it might be, I don't know about that. The HD 4870 is less than the later HD 4890, the HD 3850 is less than the HD 4850, but when it comes to the HD 3850 you can't be sure just from the numbers that it's less than the HD 4830, though I think in fact it probably is.

There are HD 4550 cards, which are definitely less powerful than the GF 8600.

[MudMarine]

I7 or I5? Wait to I9?

I and going to buy a new computer, and some people say that for gaming, I5 is better.

They don't say I5 is better. They say that it is cheaper for roughly the same performance on "todays" games. Big difference...

Of course, I just built an I7-860 @ 3.6.

[AndyJWest]

4 months out is looking less bright on the horizon. later will be more details on such release plans. We have more funding soon in which to continue to get just perfect the engine, im sure you will like much when you hear new features added.


not possible at this time, im sure not even highest system now can max run the game. But you must have constant internet access it was made the decision as for the pirates.


yes he shalled be punished bring forth mine hammer
Ha Ha, very funny 'Olge_Maddox! Now go away and spam elsewhere.

Moron.

[AA_Absolute]

4 months out is looking less bright on the horizon. later will be more details on such release plans. We have more funding soon in which to continue to get just perfect the engine, im sure you will like much when you hear new features added.


not possible at this time, im sure not even highest system now can max run the game. But you must have constant internet access it was made the decision as for the pirates.


yes he shalled be punished bring forth mine hammer

Admin, pls kill the troll.

[ECV56_Lancelot]

Guys, the original post its an elegant kind of sarcastic way of trolling.
Tree has been around here for quite some time and knows very well that we will not have the system specs now, and also want to show, in his way, that the sim will not be released this year.

[Tree_UK]

Who says it wont be released this year?? It needs to be this year, right?

[ECV56_Lancelot]

Who says it wont be released this year?? It needs to be this year, right?

LOL! :lol:

[Ctrl E]

yeah - fun and games aside. any thoughts from the hard core tech heads how this rig would run?

i7 930

Corsair H50

ASUS P6T

RAM : 6GB DDR3 1333

HD : 1TB

GPU : 2xATI 5870

[janpitor]

yeah - fun and games aside. any thoughts from the hard core tech heads how this rig would run?

i7 930

Corsair H50

ASUS P6T

RAM : 6GB DDR3 1333

HD : 1TB

GPU : 2xATI 5870

I would wait for system spec with crossfire setup. Some sims dont like or dont use multiple graphic cards. Else I think with good overclock it will be great system. For example, FSX userrs see good fluent results at about 4GHz or more overclock with i5/i7. But FSX is poorly coded.

[Eries]

Who says it wont be released this year?? It needs to be this year, right?

I can't even imagine the scene when your mommy brings your breakfast down to the basement late.......:mad:


Dont worry everyone , he'll eventually tire himself out and fall asleep . :grin:

-Eries

[Tree_UK]

Breakfast in the basement?????? you on drugs?
Anyhow, as it happens I think it will be released this year Im only asking if there are any system specs, oh and stop coming up with <edited> analogy's ....

[philip.ed]

yes. it will be this year.

[Ctrl E]

Breakfast in the basement?????? you on drugs?
Anyhow, as it happens I think it will be released this year Im only asking if there are any system specs, oh and stop coming up with <edited> analogy's ....

bring out the gimp

[Chivas]

yes. it will be this year.

Hopefully we will see SOW this year, although I haven't seen enough to be convinced yet. By the end of Sept we should have seen another four months of Friday updates. Maybe these will reveal the possiblility of a release this year. :)

[nearmiss]

I've been doing the BOB II WOV for several years. A new patch has just released.

The reason I mention is because the Battle of Britain only lasted a few months over one map area, and almost all combat was air combat. There was a limited number of aircraft as well.

What I'm saying is the SOW has been in the works for over 5 years. I think it is very reasonable to expect a release this year. If BOB SOW was stretched over a huge war front with many maps, a multitude of objects and aircraft models I'd say different.

Oleg is a perfectionist, so we're all just going to have to be patient. We will all be very pleased to purchase such a quality application when it is released. In fact, I'd go far enough to say we will be fortunate to buy something so well done, nothing like all the fast release games we are acquainted.

There is plenty going on with IL2, which is definitely not unworthy either.

[AKA_Tenn]

I'd rather the game take another year or two to come out and succeed than come out in another few months and fail...

first impressions will be everything with this game, since its only a fraction of what the game will be once all the expantions come out...

its probly best to think of SoW BoB just to be a small demonstration of the games potential, and because of that it needs to leave a lasting impression that makes people want to keep buying it as expantions are released.

so in my opinion the only "reasonable" time for it to be released is when its good and ready.

[nearmiss]

Five years of development costs ... that's going to take alot of sales to offset all the paydays Oleg has had to make.

I don't have a crystal ball, but I'd say you'll be flying the early spits or 109e before Christmas.

[Hunden]

Hey everyone, I just picked up on il2 by chance at the end of 2009 I guess im one of the lucky ones. After reading the forums and looking at the dates i realize you are all diehards. IM just happy I didnt have to wait that long.:cool:

[Skoshi Tiger]

Hey everyone, I just picked up on il2 by chance at the end of 2009 I guess im one of the lucky ones. After reading the forums and looking at the dates i realize you are all diehards. IM just happy I didnt have to wait that long.:cool:

The first couple of years were the worst.....Then again the next two were fairly bad as well.... after that time started to loose any meaning for most of us.....I seem to rember having a full set of hair and good eyesight when I started looking forward to BoB!

[WTE_Galway]

The first couple of years were the worst.....Then again the next two were fairly bad as well.... after that time started to loose any meaning for most of us.....I seem to rember having a full set of hair and good eyesight when I started looking forward to BoB!

haha ... i feel sorry for the people that ran off to buy a "SOW ready" PC back in what was is 2004/2005 ?

It will be ready when its ready ... be sure :D

[Flanker35M]

S!

I remember when Oleg mentioned SoW ages ago, as it feels now, that sure he can make a simulation surpassing IL-2. But he also stated that if we want more fidelity, complexity, realism we have to pay for it with increased hardware requirements. Gone will be the days of IL-2 that runs on an ancient machine.

So so far we know SoW runs at least on DirectX versions 9 and 11. This makes assumptions and guesses a tad bit easier concerning the system specs. I would guess that for DirectX 9 that is supposed to be the "worse renderer" you can run it on a nVidia 8xxx/9xxx/2xx-series ATI 4xxx series and above, some 2-4Gb RAM, 2GHz+ CPU and 10Gb+ HDD space. This also means it can be run in WinXP minimum.

For the DirectX 11 and with all the bells and whistles: best visibility distance, best effects and lighting, most DM/FM on etc. In short: max settings. Then you would need the best of the crop out there: nVidia 4xx/ATI 5xxx series in SLI/XFire, Intel i7/i5 CPU, 8Gb RAM etc. And even then I would not expect screaming FPS in certain situations like with lot of fire, explosions, smoke and tracers, lot of NPC etc. around.

We asked for more and we get more but do not expect it to run with a crappy computer. Days of IL-2 are gone with SoW.

[Robotic Pope]

The game very serious because of its risk

huh?? :confused:

[lbuchele]

S!

I remember when Oleg mentioned SoW ages ago, as it feels now, that sure he can make a simulation surpassing IL-2. But he also stated that if we want more fidelity, complexity, realism we have to pay for it with increased hardware requirements. Gone will be the days of IL-2 that runs on an ancient machine.

So so far we know SoW runs at least on DirectX versions 9 and 11. This makes assumptions and guesses a tad bit easier concerning the system specs. I would guess that for DirectX 9 that is supposed to be the "worse renderer" you can run it on a nVidia 8xxx/9xxx/2xx-series ATI 4xxx series and above, some 2-4Gb RAM, 2GHz+ CPU and 10Gb+ HDD space. This also means it can be run in WinXP minimum.

For the DirectX 11 and with all the bells and whistles: best visibility distance, best effects and lighting, most DM/FM on etc. In short: max settings. Then you would need the best of the crop out there: nVidia 4xx/ATI 5xxx series in SLI/XFire, Intel i7/i5 CPU, 8Gb RAM etc. And even then I would not expect screaming FPS in certain situations like with lot of fire, explosions, smoke and tracers, lot of NPC etc. around.

We asked for more and we get more but do not expect it to run with a crappy computer. Days of IL-2 are gone with SoW.

You are right that's for sure.
I have a concern about memory in SOW.
If you have to build a new system , do you think is better a 8 Gb dual channel setup as I am seeing a lot of offers in newegg or a 6 Gb triple channel?(please don't answer a 12 Gb triple channel...:sad:)

[swiss]

In fact I'be happy just to know whether SoW engine will favor Nvidia cards or not.
Think of Crysis for instance.

That's the point that pisses my of the most, since, unless oleg reveals some of those infos, I cannot build or even project my new system.

[Bobb4]

In fact I'be happy just to know whether SoW engine will favor Nvidia cards or not.
Think of Crysis for instance.

That's the point that pisses my of the most, since, unless oleg reveals some of those infos, I cannot build or even project my new system.

Oleg will announce the system specs "two weeks" after you buy the wrong graphics card :grin:
Seriously though, looking at the screenshots he is posting any current "good" graphic card should do.
He has already said it will use directX 9/10/11. It will not use OpenGL.

[swiss]

Oleg will announce the system specs "two weeks" after you buy the wrong graphics card :grin:
Seriously though, looking at the screenshots he is posting any current "good" graphic card should do.
He has already said it will use directX 9/10/11. It will not use OpenGL.

Crysis was directX, still it favored nvidia cards - a lot.

Unless you show my a Xfire and SLI compatible motherboard, I'll stay annoyed.

[Tree_UK]

Well the game is 3 months away from release so I imagine system specs to be within the next week or so.

[AndyJWest]

Well the game is 3 months away from release so I imagine system specs to be within the next week or so.
Ah yes, two things you can rely on in this forum. Oleg's strange sense of time, and Tree's 'imagination'. ;)

The specs will be released when they are. And so will the game.

[philip.ed]

Actually, Tree just says the things that remain un-said. He is right in a way, we should see system specs by now ;)

[Tbag]

lol

[BadAim]

Here's the real deal guys, be sure. Oleg is not going to release the specs one second before they are carved in stone, because otherwise if he is off the slightest bit on anything, all of the blowhards will have have a field day. Granted they will blow just as hard nonetheless, but why feed them real ammunition when their imagination so soooooo sufficient?

[Tree_UK]

Actually, Tree just says the things that remain un-said. He is right in a way, we should see system specs by now ;)
Thank you Philip, some recognition at last for all my efforts :grin::grin:

[AndyJWest]

It would be nice to have system specs, but there are several reasons that come to mind as to why Oleg & co haven't released them yet:

(a) The game isn't as finished as Oleg hoped it would be, so it is too soon to even guess.
(b) The game is still undergoing beta-testing, which will determine the minimum practical specs.
(c) Oleg knows what the specs are, but can't release them for contractual reasons.
(d) Oleg knows what the specs are, but wants to hold them back until more details about the sim can be released, for maximum impact.
(e) Oleg knows what the specs are, but doesn't want any potential competition to know them yet.

I'm sure there are other possibilities...

[Chivas]

I'm sure at this point in development the developer has a pretty good idea and its probably high, especially as feature rich as this game engine is. I would imagine any developer would want to widdle that figure down as much as possible with game engine optimizations, before giving that information out. The lower he can optimize the more possible game sales.

Giving out a high system specs announcement at this time would be counter productive. He can't ring out every frame rate until the sims is basicly done with all features working together.

[Eries]

Thank you Philip, some recognition at last for all my efforts :grin::grin:



Hardly.
For anyone to state what we "should" or "should not" be seeing from the developer is the same level of trollism as represented in the original post of this thread.
Oleg is the only one who is the authority to say what "should" be going on.
The majority of us are patient and happy , knowing full well what great things 1C has delivered to us in the past and we feel no reason to moan on incessantly like spoiled children about what we havent recieved.
I see the seemingly popular "inate sense of entitlement" knows no boundaries....


Eries

[Tree_UK]

Hardly.
For anyone to state what we "should" or "should not" be seeing from the developer is the same level of trollism as represented in the original post of this thread.
Oleg is the only one who is the authority to say what "should" be going on.
The majority of us are patient and happy , knowing full well what great things 1C has delivered to us in the past and we feel no reason to moan on incessantly like spoiled children about what we havent recieved.
I see the seemingly popular "inate sense of entitlement" knows no boundaries....


Eries

Is it just me or does anyone else think this guy needs a holiday. Deeeeep breath now ...... and relax.

[nearmiss]

There may be several distributors of the BOB SOW. The distributors are going to want to have their say on the system specs. Oleg will make a recommendation to the distributors, and the distributors will agree on the final specification. Oleg will not be ignored, but there will be a meeting of the minds from all parties.

The distributor will want the door to swing as wide as possible to enourage the largest number of purchasers.

If you ever get a response on this type of request it will probably be answered with vague and non-committal explanations.

[AKA_Tenn]

the funny thing is... how people say IL2 ran on really slow computers, with super low end specs... well yes, to TODAYS standards they are really low end specs, but in their day, they were standard home computers... this new SOW will have to run on what would be considered TODAYS standard home computer, not 5 years ago, not 9 years ago... (like maybe less than a 1000$ pre-made jobby from walmart type dealy) that being said... if you need to worry about specs, its only because your living in the past.

and i love to put emphasis on present tense type words :P

[Tree_UK]

I suppose one of the problems today is that big monitors that run at high resolutions are now relatively cheap, obviously you need some serious kit to run a game maxed at high res, Im enquiring about the system spec's because I build custom gaming rigs for a living, its my own business and I have had many phone calls enquiring about rigs that will run SOW maxed out. Yes i know that we should all wait and see until after release but some people want to have everything ready on the day of release.

[KG26_Alpha]

i suppose one of the problems today is that big monitors that run at high resolutions are now relatively cheap, obviously you need some serious kit to run a game maxed at high res, im enquiring about the system spec's because i build custom gaming rigs for a living, its my own business and i have had many phone calls enquiring about rigs that will run sow maxed out. Yes i know that we should all wait and see until after release but some people want to have everything ready on the day of release.

lol

:rolleyes:

[Ctrl E]

hey tree. as a dude in the biz - what ya reckon about this:

i7 930

Corsair H50

ASUS P6T

RAM : 6GB DDR3 1333

HD : 1TB

GPU : 2xATI 5870

[zauii]

hey tree. as a dude in the biz - what ya reckon about this:

i7 930

Corsair H50

ASUS P6T

RAM : 6GB DDR3 1333

HD : 1TB

GPU : 2xATI 5870

Why even bother?
It's like asking if your Ferrari Enzo will be enough.. lewl.

[BadAim]

I know your question was for Tree, but I'll chime in here. You or anyone else looking at a higher end Intel rig might just want to wait for the less expensive versions of the 6 core chips to come out over the next few months, hell you can get a $1000 one now. Even if SOW is "only" optimized for 4 cores, then great you got two left over for the OS and peripherals. The story is even better with AMD for those on a budget their six core chips are in the $200-$300 range and work with most existing boards! (granted their performance is not up to Intel par yet).

For my money, I'm going to hold off as long as possible, not only to wait for specs, but also for prices to come down. I'm not worried about new tech yet as I think SOW will be out before too much happens, but who knows?

[Eries]

I suppose one of the problems today is that big monitors that run at high resolutions are now relatively cheap, obviously you need some serious kit to run a game maxed at high res, Im enquiring about the system spec's because I build custom gaming rigs for a living, its my own business and I have had many phone calls enquiring about rigs that will run SOW maxed out. Yes i know that we should all wait and see until after release but some people want to have everything ready on the day of release.


I've had many phone calls .......ROFL !!!!!!

And having everything ready on the day of release is Olegs problem ??? Not !!

Super Duper ROFL !!!

Eries

[Tree_UK]

I've had many phone calls .......ROFL !!!!!!

And having everything ready on the day of release is Olegs problem ??? Not !!

Super Duper ROFL !!!

Eries



I fail to see why you think this is funny or odd, I have made hundreds of high end systems for gamers and clan members/virtual pilots over the years, with the release of SOW being so close many people have asked If I know what spec will be required or what upgrade may be needed.

[Tree_UK]

hey tree. as a dude in the biz - what ya reckon about this:

i7 930

Corsair H50

ASUS P6T

RAM : 6GB DDR3 1333

HD : 1TB

GPU : 2xATI 5870

Very nice system mate, I am currently running an i7 930 overclocked to 4.2Ghz and it is rock solid, I would look into getting higher speed memory if you are consideering an overclock though.

How it will run SOW is anyones guess at the moment though.

[addman]

Hmm....if Oleg and team are interested in making lots of money then they should definitely make the game as scalable as possible since -believe it or not- the vaste majority of PC gamers are NOT sitting on high-end rigs. "We", the hardcore simmers are a very small piece of the PC gaming cake. Personally I think that the game will run ok on even modest setups given that there aren't 500 aircraft in the air at the same time and with the graphics maxed out. My 2,5 öre :)

[nearmiss]

Hmm....if Oleg and team are interested in making lots of money then they should definitely make the game as scalable as possible since -believe it or not- the vaste majority of PC gamers are NOT sitting on high-end rigs. "We", the hardcore simmers are a very small piece of the PC gaming cake. Personally I think that the game will run ok on even modest setups given that there aren't 500 aircraft in the air at the same time and with the graphics maxed out. My 2,5 öre :)

I don't know about the making money bit with Oleg. He marches to his own drum, and I don't honestly think he is all about becoming a billionaire.
He has enormous energy to make his applications the best, and that doesn't agree with fast game production to get products to the shelf like a Microsoft, EA, etc.

The distributors are going to want as low minimum specs as possible.

It has been a while, but as I recall reading the computers Oleg was using to develop SOW weren't top of line specs.

Not to say he didn't bump the systems to accomodate better graphics. Graphics quality is a biggy with Oleg, however as you recall from IL2 the "Perfect" settings are still not playable on a lot of better systems even today.

I would suspect there will be an entry level spec only, and Oleg will include the ability to really bump up the graphic quality levels. He may have several settings, i.e., perfect landscape, perfect effects, simultaneous number of objects, simulaneous number of aircraft, etc.

Most don't realize the enormous amount of calculations a system has to make with increased numbers of objects. Each bullet that comes from the guns has a trajectory that has to be plotted, the hits by bullets calculated, the flight paths of all the aircraft, etc., etc. I mean an aircombat simulator with all that is going on simultaneously requires enormous mathmatical capability... and that doesn' include the massive requirements of high quality pixelated graphics.

So, I think we'll be able to play the SOW with less features on lower spec machines. Yet all the programming will be included to accomodate future specifications and developments in systems software and hardware.

It's taken along time for Oleg to put all this together, and you mark my words... this sim is going to blow your socks off regardless of your system specs.

[philip.ed]

Hardly.
For anyone to state what we "should" or "should not" be seeing from the developer is the same level of trollism as represented in the original post of this thread.
Oleg is the only one who is the authority to say what "should" be going on.
The majority of us are patient and happy , knowing full well what great things 1C has delivered to us in the past and we feel no reason to moan on incessantly like spoiled children about what we havent recieved.
I see the seemingly popular "inate sense of entitlement" knows no boundaries....


Eries


I said 'should' because Oleg said previously that we'd see system specs in May. I don't care that we didn't, but we should have seen them if we are to always believe Oleg. I have always had faith in Oleg; it's hard for the team to keep-up with releasing such a great product when the technologies are always changing, and from what we've seen we're doing a pretty good-job.

But for some, the false-promises can get annoying.

[Chivas]

Promises....that is the problem for some....there were never any promises. Anyone with a modicum of common sense would know promises are impossible in such a complicated project. There are only hoped for time frames, unless you have a publisher demanding time frames be met no matter what state the project is in. Luckily we seem to have a developer who has some control and sticks to his guns.

[philip.ed]

Promises....that is the problem for some....there were never any promises. Anyone with a modicum of common sense would know promises are impossible in such a complicated project. There are only hoped for time frames, unless you have a publisher demanding time frames be met no matter what state the project is in. Luckily we seem to have a developer who has some control and sticks to his guns.

Exactly, that's why it's best not to say anything unless you are 100% sure ;)

[nearmiss]

Exactly, that's why it's best not to say anything unless you are 100% sure ;)

That's funny... you get this crew to keep quiet you'll be a miracle worker.

It's all about the anticipation and speculation, along with some argument and whines.

Heck, that is the substance of a good poem. :roll:

Maybe someone could write us a poem of anticipation, speculation, argument and whines.

[Flanker35M]

S!


From whells of despair to the fountains of joy.
Deepest of passion and jealousy, suspicion beyond reason.

Harsh words, slashing looks at the spur of a moment.
Anticipation shaking foundations, turmoil of thoughts.

To feel your plastic skin, the first snap of opening.
Trembling, the scent of new print.

How much has one awaited, oh for this moment!
Now show me your treasures, beloved box of SoW.

[nearmiss]

S!


From whells of despair to the fountains of joy.
Deepest of passion and jealousy, suspicion beyond reason.

Harsh words, slashing looks at the spur of a moment.
Anticipation shaking foundations, turmoil of thoughts.

To feel your plastic skin, the first snap of opening.
Trembling, the scent of new print.

How much has one awaited, oh for this moment!
Now show me your treasures, beloved box of SoW.


Good stuff Flanker, just what we need. Thoughtful verbal substance to sustain us.

[Tree_UK]

but it doesn't rhyme...:(

[nearmiss]

All poems don't have to rhyme.

They are more fun if they do.

[Tree_UK]

I thought a poem that didn't rhyme was a story?

[philip.ed]

You can have a story within a poem.

[KG26_Alpha]

I thought a poem that didn't rhyme was a story?

Just for you

There is a forum user called Tree

Who moans and whines constantly

Every week with a shout

"Is SoW coming out"

Well when it does I want it for free.

[Eries]

Just for you

There is a forum user called Tree

Who moans and whines constantly

Every week with a shout

"Is SoW coming out"

Well when it does I want it for free.


I'm always moved by indisputable literary talent. Well done.:)

[Tree_UK]

Just for you

There is a forum user called Tree

Who moans and whines constantly

Every week with a shout

"Is SoW coming out"

Well when it does I want it for free.

Excellent work Alpha, your daft mate Eries certainly is impressed, but what about this....


There is a forum user called Tree

who asks questions to those at 1C

but before Oleg can answer

a little brown nosed chancer

does his best to get a beta copy


I think I have clearly won the talent competition.

[furbs]

1-0 Tree i think :) :)

[Ctrl E]

what about a haiku?

Wake and scroll 1c site
Oleg on holiday
Nude chicks on his other site

[Flanker35M]

S!

Hey now, do not sling mud on eachother. A poem does not need to rhyme, it is those images and feelings they awake. Rhyming poetry is classical :) Anyways..relax and have fun :)

[julian265]

what about a haiku?

Wake and scroll 1c site
Oleg on holiday
Nude chicks on his other site

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[philip.ed]

A faithless Oleg courted me
he stole away our liberty
when our poor hopes were raised then
he came, and smiled, and stole it then

When our exceptations were down low
He gaves us screens to end our woe
When the forum felt the shame
Oleg smiled, but never came

When the summer brought no copies to sight
The forum gasped and felt the fright
When winter months did nothing prove
We wondered where we needed to move

We wish, we hope, but all in vain
If only we were naive again
And then, oh know! what can we see?
But storm of war, under the tree :D

Storm of War, coming 25 December 2010 :cool:

[Daniël]

I heard somewhere that SoW would be released in October, but maybe it's old information;)

[nearmiss]

A faithless Oleg courted me
he stole away our liberty
when our poor hopes were raised then
he came, and smiled, and stole it then

When our exceptations were down low
He gaves us screens to end our woe
When the forum felt the shame
Oleg smiled, but never came

When the summer brought no copies to sight
The forum gasped and felt the fright
When winter months did nothing prove
We wondered where we needed to move

We wish, we hope, but all in vain
If only we were naive again
And then, oh know! what can we see?
But storm of war, under the tree :D

Storm of War, coming 25 December 2010 :cool:

Phillip you are a poet

you probably didn't know it.

Now is the time for some rhyme

it's just another waste of time

We are all excited you can bet

On SOW we still fret

So have more peas and eat your corn

You won't be hungry or forlorn

-------------

An example of no content, yet it rhymes. LOL

[Tree_UK]

In Oleg's last simhq interview he said it would be released for the Battle of Britian anniversary but certainly no later than November.






http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_of_War_(computer_game)

[Eries]

To most of us
SOW is just a simple game
To whine about it..
Thats just a shame !

We come here for our updates
Having to ingore the cries from soap crates
And all the while Olegs working...
Adults here know he's not shirking...

But still his work gets panned...
By those who often get banned !!!
I wonder why they are mental...
Maybe they have some bad dental ?

Soon enough we'll be in the skies
And free from all these childish cries
Happy to be shooting down ..
what appears to be some ingrate clowns.

[furbs]

not bad...not as funny as trees though :)

[philip.ed]

Sorry guys, I nicked my poem from one called Ballad :grin:

:cool:

[nearmiss]

eries

that is good stuff

Just an observation. Carefully view the last updates.

We are no longer getting 3d cad drawings. We are getting completed aircraft in the air in combat.

The last update gave us 10 such pics.

Review the last updates carefully, lot's of planes in the air, landscape and clouds look good, large numbers of aircraft in the air that appear to be engaged in combat.

I would say this is probably a very good sign that SOW is nearing release.

[philip.ed]

Here here. We have waited for long enough, that frankly I just want Oleg to relax and work as hard as they want. This is going to be better than Il-2, and quite frankly that's all I need to know.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Philip..I think your fingers itch to make new content to SoW. ;) :D IL-2 is hard to make any better as it is due the limitations, but SoW opens new doors. :D

[philip.ed]

You're right ;) I'm rusty in Il-2 now. In the summer I need to try and make some more stuff ;)

[swiss]

eries

that is good stuff

Just an observation. Carefully view the last updates.

We are no longer getting 3d cad drawings. We are getting completed aircraft in the air in combat.

The last update gave us 10 such pics.

Review the last updates carefully, lot's of planes in the air, landscape and clouds look good, large numbers of aircraft in the air that appear to be engaged in combat.

I would say this is probably a very good sign that SOW is nearing release.


Have a closer look at shadows of the spit.

[nearmiss]

I think the time to get excited will be when Oleg starts posting videos of in game action.

That way he brings us closer to the edge, but doesn't have to reveal much about the actual application.

[AKA_Tenn]

problem with screenshots is it doesn't say anything about the physics engine, doesn't say anything about the animations, and we've yet to hear anything... I'd love to see just the start-up (showing clicking switches and stuff ) and takeoff of a 109 or spitfire from inside the cockpit with sound... even on minimum graphics settings... never mind combat.

[imaca]

Im amazed at the number of people who have high end (i7) systems.
What the heck do you do with all that cpu power?
Video encoding is the only thing that springs to mind, I can't imagine you would see any significant difference in gaming compared to a system for half the price (I guess you might need it for multi video card/display performance?).
I recently trialled a new Lenovo D20 workstation with Xeon E5650/Quadro FX1800 (we are upgrading at work) and was disappointed to see the tiny performance boost compared with my current Athlon II X2 system.
Typically, running Solidworks, I was looking at little more than 13% cpu utilization (1/2 a core).
I guess SOW will be more optimized for multicore, but I will be waiting until well after release before thinking about what to buy to play it.

[janpitor]

Overclock it to run FSX smooth :-). These chips are extremely overclockable. I personally have i5 and except I have 4GB ram instead of 6 and I will not make sli/crossfire setup because of PCI-E bandwidth it has almost the same computing power after overclock.


Im amazed at the number of people who have high end (i7) systems.
What the heck do you do with all that cpu power?
Video encoding is the only thing that springs to mind, I can't imagine you would see any significant difference in gaming compared to a system for half the price (I guess you might need it for multi video card/display performance?).
I recently trialled a new Lenovo D20 workstation with Xeon E5650/Quadro FX1800 (we are upgrading at work) and was disappointed to see the tiny performance boost compared with my current Athlon II X2 system.
Typically, running Solidworks, I was looking at little more than 13% cpu utilization (1/2 a core).
I guess SOW will be more optimized for multicore, but I will be waiting until well after release before thinking about what to buy to play it.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Well, just upgraded my system a bit again. It runs any game I throw at it at the moment very nicely at 1920:1200 resolution as I have a 16:10 24" BenQ screen. I use only 2x or 4x FSAA in any game and Anisotropic filtering is most of times application controlled as is FSAA if applicable.

System is, and it should run SoW I think, below..

AMD Phenom II X6 1090T
AMD 890FX based ASUS motherboard
4 x 2Gb A-Data DDR3 at 1333MHz dual channel
nVidia 480GTX graphics
Windows 7 64-bit

[Zorin]

S!

Well, just upgraded my system a bit again. It runs any game I throw at it at the moment very nicely at 1920:1200 resolution as I have a 16:10 24" BenQ screen. I use only 2x or 4x FSAA in any game and Anisotropic filtering is most of times application controlled as is FSAA if applicable.

System is, and it should run SoW I think, below..

AMD Phenom II X6 1090T
AMD 890FX based ASUS motherboard
4 x 2Gb A-Data DDR3 at 1333MHz dual channel
nVidia 480GTX graphics
Windows 7 64-bit

If that won't run SoW with ease, 1C will be in big trouble.

[swiss]

If that won't run SoW with ease, 1C will be in big trouble.

Nope, until we see SoW hit the shelves, there will be new cpus and gpus.

[Tree_UK]

I imagine there will be some CPU upgrades and GPU upgrades by this time next year.

[Flanker35M]

S!

ATI is planning the Southern Island refresh for their current lineup, which should boost the tesselation etc. Next year they launch the new Northern Island series with newer architecture. I bet nVidia will refresh their lineup as well and launch the 512-bit versions of their 4xx-series. IMO any current DX11 card in either SLI or XFire should be able to run SoW at acceptable FPS with decent eyecandy.

If SoW does utilize 4 cores as stated here, you will be good with any multicore CPU, be it AMD or Intel. They are overclockable so performance should really not be an issue. I think you need a lot of RAM with SoW.

[lbuchele]

I was talking to my older brother today about building a new system for SOW using a GTX 480.
He told me to think twice because the hot temperatures of this card and recommend me the ATI 5870 or 5970 (700USD!)
Well, it´s OK to me spending 700 bucks in a really fast VGA I reply to him, but Il2 always had an issue with ATI drivers, am I right?
I´m wondering if this time Oleg will do SOW Nvidia optmized too?
Because if not I´ll go the ATI road with ease.
Anyone has experience running ATI cards in Il2?

[nearmiss]

The last good ATI I had was a 9800 PRO. I bought a couple after that and gave ATI up. Someone mentioned after AMD bought ATI they just couldn't get it right.

I was with ATI for several years when nVidia was in a slump (or I thought so).

I use 8800 GTX 512 OC version now nVidia. Not too much heat and is only one card. I will stay with one card as long as I can. I remember back years ago when I had a 110V powered fan running into the side of my computer to keep it cool. That fan roared enough you needed a headset.

If you are a IL2 enthusiast you might want to hold off a bit longer. If you have other games and can justify the expense... do your best, eh.

[AKA_Tenn]

I was talking to my older brother today about building a new system for SOW using a GTX 480.
He told me to think twice because the hot temperatures of this card and recommend me the ATI 5870 or 5970 (700USD!)
Well, it´s OK to me spending 700 bucks in a really fast VGA I reply to him, but Il2 always had an issue with ATI drivers, am I right?
I´m wondering if this time Oleg will do SOW Nvidia optmized too?
Because if not I´ll go the ATI road with ease.
Anyone has experience running ATI cards in Il2?

don't build a machine around IL2 anymore, the game is too old, if your going to build a machine within the next few months, do it because you play more games than just IL2 and want a machine that'll run the new directx10/11 stuff... otherwise wait for storm of war, (from the state of the screens/dev updates) looks like it'll be ready within a year or so.

ATI you get about 15% more performance per dollar, but the drivers aren't very good with openGL... pretty much any new game coming out will use directX, so thats perfectly fine... but IL2 uses openGL, so ATI cards have a few issues...

so basically... go with Nvidia if you play games that use physX hardware, or have money to blow on getting one of the cards that are faster than any of ATI's lineup... and go with ATI cause of way more performance for your dollar, and a lot quieter and runs cooler.

[lbuchele]

Humm.I finally understood the ATI problem with Il2 was a OpenGL issue?
If this was the problem,I can feel safe in buying a ATI 5970 to run SOW?

[Flanker35M]

S!

SoW will be DirectX 9/10/11 so either ATI or nVidia will work just fine on it. I use at the moment MSI 480GTX and temperature after hours of IL-2 is around 74-76'C so not that hot in my opinion. Sure some degrees more than ATI 5870HD I had but still manageable. Will buy a new VGA cooler for the 480GTX soon. Also updating to the latest BIOS from card vendor dropped temperatures nearly 10'C under load.

[janpitor]

I think temperatures arent such an issue, but noise can be if the case is not well ventilated. I have thermaltake element S with several fans (also two big, one blowing directly onto the VGA, another upper output). In 3D mark vantage I didnt hear my card.

ALso another problem. I wouldnt buy ATI 5970 until SOW is out, because there can be a problem with multipleVGA such as rise fo flight or FSX have, and the ń you would get only half the graphics power, as 5970 is essentially two cards connected by crossfire on single PCB.


S!

SoW will be DirectX 9/10/11 so either ATI or nVidia will work just fine on it. I use at the moment MSI 480GTX and temperature after hours of IL-2 is around 74-76'C so not that hot in my opinion. Sure some degrees more than ATI 5870HD I had but still manageable. Will buy a new VGA cooler for the 480GTX soon. Also updating to the latest BIOS from card vendor dropped temperatures nearly 10'C under load.

[genbrien]

I wouldnt buy ATI 5970 until SOW is out, because there can be a problem with multipleVGA such as rise fo flight or FSX have, and the ń you would get only half the graphics power, as 5970 is essentially two cards connected by crossfire on single PCB.

Anyway, there should be the new ATI's card by the end of summer..... better wait:rolleyes:

But I think Oleg said SoW will use multiple CPU cores and multiple GPU....

[brando]

AFAIK the issues with ATI and OpenGL were pretty well sorted out with the 10.5 Catalysts. My friends with 5xxx cards have all reported that FB runs very smoothly now that the 9.10 atioglxx.dll fix is no longer needed.

Hopefully the SoW:BoB team will be making the business of computer specs as flexible as they were with IL2. That's not to say I expect BoB to function well on the Abit KT7A-Raid mobo with a 1.2ghz Tbird Athlon processor and 512mb pc133 RAM that I used ten years ago, but I think the spectrum of recent PCs should function well with the game, just so long as the owner recognises that his game will work better if his/her machine is optimised for fast response.

Personally I always preferred the sensation of experiencing how much better FB played and looked with every upgrade that I made; but my wallet was much happier to avoid the constant life at the bleeding-edge of computer technology. So my upgrades were always made when the prices dropped back towards sanity. I don't regret that ;)

B

[lbuchele]

I recently saw excelent reviews about the new Nvidia GTX 465 in SLI setup.
Lots of power with acceptable efficiency.
Maybe a good choice for SOW?

[Oldschool61]

They don't say I5 is better. They say that it is cheaper for roughly the same performance on "todays" games. Big difference...

Of course, I just built an I7-860 @ 3.6.

You could have built a hi end AMD Phenom II Quad or hex core for less and have better performance. And used the money you saved to put towards a better video card.

[Flanker35M]

S!

I rigged to a new AMD Phenom II 1090T Black Edition accompanied with the 890FX chipset motherboard from ASRock. Smooth ride with the 480GTX and 8Gb DDR3. Will wait for the refreshes of both ATI and nVidia to see how they fare.

[WTE_Galway]

I recently saw excelent reviews about the new Nvidia GTX 465 in SLI setup.
Lots of power with acceptable efficiency.
Maybe a good choice for SOW?

Don't go SLI with an i5 based setup though, 8x8 lanes is not enough for serious SLI. By the way i5's do not currently support triple channel DDR3 either.