Just wondering --2010

[bhunter2112]

I don't want to be attacked. If you have nothing to add of value... then don't. I was hoping for a 2010 BOB release date. Now here we are in mid March. No site. Biweekly requests for buildings, bridges, medals, h@ly Sh@t events etc...

I am starting to feel that a 2010 release date is slipping away. I know that it's done when its done and you would rather have a "finished" game etc.... I have been very happy with IL2 and have been playing since day one. I am confident that Oleg will release a new milestone in flight simming and I will drop IL2 like a hot potato.

Here we are in mid March- Is this game comming out his year?

[Jg2001_Rasputin]

Propably, yes. Oleg stated the game has to be released in 2010 and the aim is the 70th anniversary of the Battle of Britain which is either 10th July or 24th August. Correct me please, if I´m wrong.

[bhunter2112]

yes I have heard that (and am or course hoping it's true) But four months away is that possible? with continuing requests for objects.

[Baron]

Even though i would be suprised if it was released in july im trying to look at it in a differant way, i doubt they would start moddeling medals before all the major features where done or almost done.

[maclean525]

Since they are requesting models and texture art it seems logical to assume that the engine is done and now they are painting the pretty pictures. My fingers are crossed for a summer/fall release.

[AndyJWest]

yes I have heard that (and am or course hoping it's true) But four months away is that possible? with continuing requests for objects.

I'd think that would depend on the type of objects being requested. He's asking about the fine details of buildings, not the fundamentals of aircraft. Perhaps the 'object modelling' already scheduled for the sim is largely finished, and he's decided to add a few extras with the spare capacity. Who knows?

It's worth remembering that there will be different specialist teams working on different parts of the application, so adding extra ground objects may have no significant effect on release timing.

[nearmiss]

I don't want to be attacked. If you have nothing to add of value... then don't. I was hoping for a 2010 BOB release date. Now here we are in mid March. No site. Biweekly requests for buildings, bridges, medals, h@ly Sh@t events etc...

I am starting to feel that a 2010 release date is slipping away. I know that it's done when its done and you would rather have a "finished" game etc.... I have been very happy with IL2 and have been playing since day one. I am confident that Oleg will release a new milestone in flight simming and I will drop IL2 like a hot potato.

Here we are in mid March- Is this game comming out his year?

Sorry, without raggin' on you. No one knows, but like everyone else is speculating... "It should be released this year".

Pick up on a copy of IL2 1946- and update with the TD addons. You'll be able to do online and enjoy some very awesome improvements.

There is so much stuff available for IL2 you won't be bored, and you won't run out of things to do.

Most of us have taken the IL2 route, and we are anxious for the new 4.10 release of TD patch to IL2 1946.

[philip.ed]

Yep, as nearmiss said:

Most of us are enjoying the latest TD patches
Or there are other ways to enjoy the game.
Dunno if I can really write it here.
Still....:D

[proton45]

March...God the years is almost over (lol)...

But seriously...Oleg said something about more video updates (or was it final map textures) in August (updates), so I'm guessing that a July release is "out".

[BadAim]

Oleg has said that the lions share of the work is in the engine, which is in fine tuning stages. It appears that the planes are mostly done, which would logically be most of the rest of the work. Missions, buildings and game play issues are the last thing to do, which is what is going on now.
On top of all that Oleg as much as admitted that the Game HAS to be released this year. Given smooth sailing (no major problems or cock ups) then a 2010 release is not so hard to believe.
That's my $.02 worth any way, and it don't mean a thing.

[csThor]

Maddox Games doesn't work like other software companies. Their style is kinda idiosynchratic and looks more like "work on a puzzle group style" than normal software developing. They're only bringing the pieces together very late in the process so that there won't be any flashy in-game vids for quite some time.

[virre89]

I think it was rumored that the release would happen before October 2010.
If this still is the case remaind to be seen, but it can't be far away now.

[Foo'bar]

Maddox Games doesn't work like other software companies.

Thank god.

[Foo'bar]

I think it was rumored that the release would happen before October 2010.
If this still is the case remaind to be seen, but it can't be far away now.

Somewhere here in forum he stated something about "before end of summer 2010". That's 20th of september then.

[Feuerfalke]

I think it was rumored that the release would happen before October 2010.
If this still is the case remaind to be seen, but it can't be far away now.

IIRC it was stated that by October 2010 many, many people would be playing SoW already. I guess we waited so long, 6 or 8 months won't make the difference.

[Skarphol]

It seems to me like the game is pretty much up and running, and they are finetuning all the features.
But then again; there are no dedicated site, no publisher, no advertizing. One should think that these activities should be present by now in order to spread the word among a wider audience than the frustrated/happy (choose what fits) fellows that lurk around this board. Oleg probably needs a huge sale of copies to fund 5-6 years of development.

I don't remember how this was done when IL-2 was released, I for myself saw an ad in Flypast magazine that my father had bought. If it had not been for that one, I would probably never have started playing IL-2 at all, because I've never seen any advertisement for it elsewhere, and none of my friends are playing flightsims.

But with the level of detail Oleg obviously is putting into this game, I'm starting to worry for a release within christmas 2010.

Skarphol

[Blackdog_kt]

I'd rather wait and have a complete game out of the box, than a bug-riddled frustrating experience that needs major patches, overhauls and community mods to function well, just because there is no money and the investor/publisher holds the developer team by the balls and screams "get it out of the door now".

Look at some recent examples, Silent Hunter 5 is one (actually SH3, SH4 and SH5 are all similar in the regard), Rise of Flight is another. Both had some very good things going for them, but RoF is just now starting to be what it should have been on release and SH5 still has a long way to go. That's not the developer's fault as much as it is the publisher's fault.

In the end, if the initial release product is lacking then the release date doesn't mean that much. I can play a half-finished game or a buggy game and wait 6 months before it's patched to an acceptable state, or i can wait those 6 months and get a game that functions as it should and has the required content right out of the box. In any case i'll have to wait 6 months to play the complete game, the only thing that changes is that with an early release i can whine on the forums about it being incomplete :lol:

That doesn't mean people are not entitled to their opinion, as some prefer the early release/gradual updating route just to get their hands on the game faster and i'm not saying everyone who doesn't agree with me is a whiner. To the contrary in fact, they have as much right to say what's good and agreeable for them. Similarly, this is my personal opinion because i find the wait for a complete game less agonizing than the wait for updating an incomplete one. This ties in with certain publisher's habits, who force the devs to rush the game out the door and then refuse to support them to completion. For example, in the Silent Hunter series (again), i think it was SH4, the community had to really pressure the publisher before they agreed to provide the final patch. It's harder to convince someone to fund the development of game patches when they already have your money, than it is to request features during the develoment when they still have to take your requests into account because they haven't got your money yet.

By that i don't mean Oleg's team, i mean the publishers, and if the delay is any indication of lack of publisher pressure on the dev team then we can maybe have hope that SoW will be published by 1C directly or various smaller/independent publishers. Just my 2c as usual ;)

[BadAim]

+1 (on the whole page)

[tagTaken2]

That doesn't mean people are not entitled to their opinion, as some prefer the early release/gradual updating route just to get their hands on the game faster and i'm not saying everyone who doesn't agree with me is a whiner

I'm one of those who's happy to test an open beta, and I'd rather have a dodgy copy now than wait 6... 8... 12... etc months for the 'perfect' one, which will usually require a patch or two anyway.

[Il2Pongo]

Strange thread, they are showing such excellent progress.

[Tree_UK]

Like Feuerfalke said we waited so long that another 6 months or a year means little, The main thing is that it is clear that work is now in progress where as this time last year we were seeing next to nothing and updates were few and far between. I cannot imagine for one instance that after all the years in development that Oleg will just throw this game out for release just to try and meet another date that he 'hopes' to release by. He surely will give it the proper marketing process that it deserves, can he do all that within the next 5 months, I very much doubt it - Im optimistically looking forward to a early 2011 release. :grin::grin:

[Baron]

In the end, if the initial release product is lacking then the release date doesn't mean that much. I can play a half-finished game or a buggy game and wait 6 months before it's patched to an acceptable state, or i can wait those 6 months and get a game that functions as it should and has the required content right out of the box. In any case i'll have to wait 6 months to play the complete game, the only thing that changes is that with an early release i can whine on the forums about it being incomplete :lol:





I prefere to wait the extra 6 months to get a finished game (wich will need paches anyways btw) rather than get a game like RoF for example.

All the bs that surrounded (and still do) RoF put me of bying the game, ever.

In fact, i get close to pissed of everytime i, against my better judgment, visit the RoF forum at SimHQ.



My personal opinion about RoF btw, to me its not even close to intresting anymore and it would be a bad thing if SoW did the same misstake since iv heard alot of people that where intrested in RoF now wont tuch it with a 10 foot pole, no matter how many improvments. Nothing against the game itselfe really, people just get put off by to much hazzle.

[Blackdog_kt]

I'm one of those who's happy to test an open beta, and I'd rather have a dodgy copy now than wait 6... 8... 12... etc months for the 'perfect' one, which will usually require a patch or two anyway.

That's fine with me too, as long as it's an open beta like you said. Beta versions tend to (or should, i'm looking at the usual suspect sim titles again) be free after all ;)

[Skoshi Tiger]

Well if it's released this year, I'll probably have make do with a graphics card upgrade and maybe a quad core processor for my LGA775 Motherboard. If it's 2011 I'll probably be able to make a whole new system! :)

[AKA_Tenn]

this game is gonna be freaking wicked... i'd rather them make the perfect sim that can be expanded, added onto and upgradable (can i be more redundant?) to keep up with new technology trends and it take a long time 6 months... 5 years... don't care how long... then have them deliver a broken game that they have to spend most of their time fixing whats already there, rather than spending that time making new stuff...

[caprera]

I can't hide my hunger for this title and i really hope for a summer release.

Btw the most important thing that makes me wait confident in their work is that no other developers works this way, talking with the community created by their quality work and improving an existing project too listening to suggestions and even asking for more help for the best possible outcome.

This is the most important thing having seen disasters like Silent Hunter series or Rainbows6 in the past.

So for me the sooner the better but respect before anything.


P.s.
sry if i peed off ;)

[Bobb4]

One must remember that when IL2 was released the internet was dial-up in moost countries and magazine marketing was the way to go...
With the advent of superfast broadband you can build the hype around the sim within weeks rather than what took months before.
I firmly believe he is still on track for a late September release.
If one looks at both ROF and Silenthunter 5, both were hyped withing a weeks. In fact the Silenthunter 5 site was created about two months before launch if not less.
I agree with one of the posters in this thread that pointed to mission building, ai and graphic tweaking as being what is left to do.
The flight models will not change much from IL2, Oleg has already said this, just a few tweaks.
A lot of what we are seeing in TD's 2.10 patch may be closet tests of the SOW ai. :grin: An ai that cannot see through clouds or will not shoot at a friendly plane... The list is endless but I have to believe the advances in ai shows a close colaberation between the SOW team and TD :grin:

[lbuchele]

It´s OK for me a Christmas release.
The later the year , more powerful CPU we will have in the market to make this baby run fine,GPU will be the same we have now,probably ( Radeon 5970 and upcoming nvidia GTX 480)

[Avimimus]

I'll just be happy when it comes out. In 2005 the release date was set for 2007 (if I recall correctly).

The dev updates are nice while we wait.

[caprera]

The dev updates are nice while we wait.
They can even permit corrections :)

[Drool]

I was watching Avatar the other night and I thought to myself....."I have a better chance of living in that world than I do living long enough to see the release of BoB."

[Theshark888]

There is no way that this will be released in the Summer....everything would need to be much further along. You cannot ever get a game like this "perfect." Trying to do so is only chasing your tail!!! If you take too long the code is obsolete and you have to rewrite and catch up (sounds familiar). This game will definately have a patch no matter if it is releasede in the Summer of 2010 or Winter of 2011.

[caprera]

If i can say my 2 cents, (again) i don't see any final progress from screenshots.

Also the discussion about the DirectX seems at least weird to me. If i would be developing a game it would be the first thing to decide and choose\create and engine and not showing WIPs with two different DX solutions...Btw i'm not the best follower in here so maybe i'm completely wrong ;)

This given i think it will take all 2010 to finish it.

[AKA_Tenn]

The reason their showing some in two versons of dx is because the game will run in both, probably also because everything in the dx9 version plus some will be in the dx10 version, but they probly don't want to or can't show everything that'll be in the dx10 version yet...

to put it simply... the dx9 version is possibly more complete, so they have more of that to show... but as dx10 stuff gets finished, they might show more?

[caprera]

thanks

[bhunter2112]

So I am gathering that the concensus is that we all want the game to be released when it is "done" and that will be in first half of 2011.

[AndyJWest]

So I am gathering that the concensus is that we all want the game to be released when it is "done" and that will be in first half of 2011.

Errr, yes we want it released when it is done. It isn't yet, so we don't know when it will be. I'd like it to be sooner, as Oleg indicated he intended, but I'm not sure even he knows yet. There is little point in reaching a consensus on something we don't know.

Anyway IL-2 has a bit of life in it yet. What's the hurry. ;)

[Tree_UK]

I cant see it being done this year, not from what weve seen so far, I know Oleg says it 'needs' to be finished, however we all know Oleg is a wonderous marvel at creating flight sims but his release predictions generally suck. No offence of course.

[zakkandrachoff]

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anywhere, i dont care so much the release. I dont see Rise Of Flight is stores is Argentina. And i am sure that i dont gonna see Storm of War -1 year pass the release. crappy country.
I am waiting the flaming cliffs 2.0 of lomac that will come all in one, in stores in june, and A-10:cool:.

SOW: december or january. In Argentina , middle 2011, sure:(

maybe i can buy directly to Oleg, and he send me the pack whit Fedex;)

I dont like the new "buy & download". I want the Physic box in my hands:-)

[caprera]

Oleg is a wonderous marvel at creating flight sims but his release predictions generally suck. No offence of course.

This one is Lollish... :grin:

[Drool]

Anyway IL-2 has a bit of life in it yet. What's the hurry. ;)

Is BoB being purposely held back in order to milk every last possible cent out of IL-2?

[AndyJWest]

Is BoB being purposely held back in order to milk every last possible cent out of IL-2?
Frankly, I doubt this very much. At the prices IL-2 is now being sold at, any profit must be minimal. If SoW:BoB was finished, 'holding back' rather than looking for a return on investment would be economic nonsense. If anything, the continued efforts put into patching IL-2 may be seen as a good way to retain customer interest until BoB comes out (though with TD providing their work for free, 1C:Maddox's costs must be almost negligable).

Also, I'd think that 'holding back' would benefit RoF, the LOMAC series etc too...

[nearmiss]

SOW is not finished, nothing to do with anything else.

It's just not finished.

All the requests for strange aircraft is slowing it down...

http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/147080.jpg

http://zedomax.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/wow_airplane.jpg

Skin requests don't help speed things up either

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/9/0/4/1524409.jpg

[Feathered_IV]

Not this year. Don't really care anymore in all honesty. Too disinterested to explain.

[mark@1C]

For me, I really don't care about the date when BoB/SoW may release, because Daidalos Team has been doing their interesting and free IL2 updates for me(I also believe it has far-reaching implications for the future/release of BoB/SoW),
and I can come back to this forum anytime if I want to get some new informaion on the coming BoB. Seeing the new screenshots and videos, reading the news and comments, it gives me a feel like that the BoB/SoW is growing up with me. I would cite, "Enjoy the whole process far more than the proceeds."
The most important thing I think is that, dear BOSS and all his staff can live well, working in their best form and have a good mood everyday.
Take care of yourself, all the team.

[caprera]

Merits of Daidalos team are out of question. I think the problem for me in IL-2 is graphics. Awesome simulator that kept me in front of the screen for years, now i take into account that for a while, until SOW is released, image quality brought me to look for something else.

To be precise: i'm not eye candy fan. Btw graphic importance can't be put aside all the times. In particular considering IL2 wasn't choosen at his release for graphic innovations as well...

[hiro]

We're not all Duke Nukem Fans . . .

[whatnot]

I don't think there has been any title I would have been so eager to get my hands on. And after the five or so years waiting I've hyped my self to such extremes that I'm afraid whatever they'll deliver might be a disappointment.

Bollocks! It'll be fantastic!

[zapatista]

IIRC it was stated that by October 2010 many, many people would be playing SoW already. I guess we waited so long, 6 or 8 months won't make the difference.

almost right

what oleg said (late 2009 ?) is that by the anniversary of battle of britain in 2010 he expected that many 1000's of people would already be playing it

he also stated around the same period in late 2009 that because of financial pressures and previous delays (old release date was 2007), he had no choice but releasing it in 2010

about this "yet another thread with people whining about a specific release date" : with the recent 6 months of regular updates, and the way oleg produces his sims (each element worked on by a different group, and putting the finished elements together into a working game at the final stage), i believe he is very much on track for it being finished by september 2010 (which is the latest possible month for a specific BoB anniversary date)

keep in mind oleg himself still doesnt know a specific date for release either, and with him indicating they are creating a mark-II version of the "integrated game" in the last week or 2, i suspect he will soon have a better idea himself.

[Tiger27]

Not this year. Don't really care anymore in all honesty. Too disinterested to explain.

Odd then that you would still be interested enough to post how disinterested you are ;)

[virre89]

We'll see, the summer leading up to the launch should be decisive enough. The small community updates we have now is more a generous offer from Oleg than any official marketing strategy.
Would be nice to see it released this year , he is doing some really astonishing work, however it is after all a flight sim and that's where the engine,focus is centered around.

It's all about narrowing it down, he can't make the most advanced game ever made.. that being a flight sim , sea sim , infantry sim , car sim , tank sim all in one is just unrealistic to believe both Engine-wise,
Gameplay wise, Work-wise, Fun-Wise? Bug-Wise? etc it's insane to even comprehend how much work that would mean if even attempted seriously... and would it work out gameplay wise.. probably not...

Just cause the engine supports people walking around / driving doesn't mean it's gonna be equivalent to an FPS like Red Orchestra or Armed Assault, it's not.
Red Orchestra 2 Heroes of Stalingrad will be released sometime this Fall as well and should compensate BOB really well with it's infantry combat, can't wait for that either.

All in all some folks seem to have insane expectations, for a flight-sim sure that's why we are all here and it's justified, but beyond that don't expect anything amazing.. Oleg isn't a magician with unlimited resources.

[BobTuck]

When Oleg said SOW hoped to be released for the Battle of Britain anniversary, I automatically assumed he was talking about Battle of Britain day, which is September 15th (the make or break day during the battle, which was the Luftwaffes largest assault upon London itself. It was countered by 11 Groups 'Big Wings' of multiple squadrons, which had a severe effect upon Luftwaffe morale).

This date is also quite close to October, which makes it more likely as a target release date for Oleg.

I personally can't wait for it!! :grin:

BobTuck.