Need a help: Italian aviation awards system during BoB.

[Oleg Maddox]

Please help us who knows well.

We would like to create more or less precise system for all sides in BoB, as well as for future - flexible in tunes system of awards in a sim.

[Schallmoser]

Hi Oleg,

Take a look at this site it seems to be fairly interesting...

http://www.ww2militaria.biz/en/italian-militaria-medals.html

hope this helps.

keep up your excellent work :grin:

Schallmoser

[Schallmoser]

Here is another link I just found.

http://www.ww2awards.com/award.asp?id=30

best wishes and good luck!
Schallmoser

[Freycinet]

Hi Oleg,

In Italy they have the "Medaglia al Valore Aeronautico". It was instituted by royal decree in 1927, finalized 1932. It comes in three versions, gold, silver and bronze.

http://www.quirinale.it/qrnw/statico/onorificenze/cennistorici/valoreaeronautico.htm
(Click on medal for large size image)

On the uniform this badge is worn (nastrino della medaglia d'oro al valor aeronautico):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medal_of_Military_Valor

Gold, silver, bronze:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Valor_aeronautico_gold_medal_BAR.svg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Valor_aeronautico_silver_medal_BAR.svg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Valor_aeronautico_bronze_medal_BAR.svg

I speak Italian, lived there for four years, but am no expert on Italian medals. Hopefully an Italian forum memeber can help more.

[caprera]

I think i could help you a little bit more, but Maraz is italian as well and more into historical italian wings than me...

I'll let you know ;)

[Freycinet]

Well, then.... - Are the Italians stepping up with help and info?

I know I'd be exstatic if my country would be as well-represented as Italy in SoW-BoB...

[the_soupdragon]

Are there no museums in Italythat 1C can contact? surely ther must be one that has the relevent information?

SD

[first-things-first]

Are there no museums in Italythat 1C can contact? surely ther must be one that has the relevent information?

SD

Hi

I would suggest Oleg contacts the Italian Air Force museum (Museo Storico dell' Aeronautica Militare Italiana) near Rome. I have visited twice and it is a wonderful museum - full of unique artifact's and I'm sure they will have details of the awards for the Italian air force.

They certainly have clothing, etc. from what I remember.

www.aeronautica.difesa.it/museostorico

aeromuseo@aeronautica.difesa.it
musam@aeronautica.difesa.it

Phone: +390 699887509
Fax: +39 0699887445

Aeroporto Vigna di Valle
00062 - Bracciano (Roma)

Regards

Andrew

[Insuber]

The Italian Wiki has it right, afaik.

Bye,
Insuber

[nibbio]

http://cronologia.leonardo.it/2005/foto09.jpg

FWIW this is a good image of the "medaglia al valore aeronautico", the gold version, before 1943.

Ciao,
Nibbio

[Pursuivant]

Please help us who knows well.

We would like to create more or less precise system for all sides in BoB, as well as for future - flexible in tunes system of awards in a sim.

If you want realism there's no one simple system. A linear system where X number of points over the course of a campaign nets you Y medal doesn't work. Medals could be awarded months or years after the fact and what medal you got depended on a number of factors, from politics to who saw you do the deed.

The simplest realism fix for a "point based" medals system like that which exists in IL2 is to just say that "you've been recommended for"; [X]. That covers everything from Japan (where decorations generally weren't given to living airmen) to the U.S. where low-level decorations were routinely awarded for certain actions (i.e., the 8th AF generally handed out an air medal for each aerial victory and every 25-50 bombing sorties).

If you want something a more realistic, consider 3 systems:

Linear: Like the Nazi German system, where you were awarded successively higher ranks of the Knight's Cross for cumulative success over time. This is identical to the current IL2 system.

"Threshold-based": The game tracks mission performance and overall performance, factoring in things like the odds against you, whether you were wounded, and whether you were flying over friendly territory. If you hit a certain "threshold" you are recommended for a certain type of decoration, with some percentage chance that you'll actually get it at a later date. You can get subsequent awards of the same medal, and you might go your entire career without ever winning the higher level decorations, even if you shoot down a huge number of planes. This is realistic for the US, UK, USSR Italy and most other nations.

Nothing: No awards. At most, you get a recommendation for an award using the threshold-based or linear systems. This is realistic for Japan for much of WW2, as well as for pilots flying for the AVG (although they got $500 per plane shot down, which is its own reward, and they were later given decorations by the Chinese Nationalist government).

[322Sqn_Dusty]

Try the EAF51.

http://www.europeanaf.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=7