Need a help. Historical British buildings

[Oleg Maddox]

I need the picts and photos of the following buildings in period of BoB (modrn buildinga are modified!):


London National Gallery

London British Museum

Westminster Abbey

Dover Castle

Dover Pier


We would like to recover it in original look how it was in 1940.

If you have it, just let me know please.

Or we will have it as it is now....:(

[Mysticpuma]

Just in-case you never saw this on the SimHQ or IL2 forums, here's a copy of a post I did that I thought some of you may like:

"Firstly let me qualify the topic!

I visited the archives of the newspaper I work on in the Midlands of the UK called The Birmingham Post. Tucked away in the depths are newspapers dating back to 1881, but I was heading for the Battle of Britain period.

Unfortunately, because they are so fragile now, they are not allowed to be removed from the binders that they are in, so I set a camera up (Nikon D2H with 50mm lens) on a tripod and photographed the main news page, which detail the attacks on Britain, and also reports other war zones.

The detail is quite amazing, and I'd like to point out that as these were written 67-years-ago, we have the benefit of hind-sight so any 'historical' inaccuracies....well...er...weren't at that time!

I have done my best to keep the quality as good as I could, and every page is readable when zoomed to 100%. The .zip file contains the original size photos of the pages, un-cropped.

So if you fancy seeing what was being written through that period between the 2nd of September and 18th of September 1940, have a look at this file.

As I have said, the quality is the best I can keep it with the constraints I was given, but it was strange for me to read events, which at the time were being faced by real people, but which now is only found in History books.

Anyway, the .zip also contains some close-ups of war bond adverts of the time, and also (which I was amazed at to be honest) an aerial view of Buckingham Palace!

So at least the Germans would be able to ID it from the air then!

I have uploaded the file here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?15w2xtgfldy

This link takes you to a a download page at Mediafire, a free-hosting website.

On it you will find the link to a .zip archive which is 82mb in size.

If you download it, please take the time to reply to this post."

Cheers, MP.

[Snake_C6]

have you looked this post from Rodolphe Oleg ?
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=147117&postcount=129

it is a french user of the check six's forums and he always have a lot of good pictures ! May be he can help you ...
I will ask him to have a look on this thread

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Parliam.jpg

[KG26_Alpha]

The buildings are hardly touched structurally as they are Historical monuments.

The surrounding out buildings and service areas probably need removing from modern pics but the buildings are as they were then apart from the colour, mostly black / grey stone work due to dust / soot etc.

Roofing materials and structures should be the same as they restore the lead copper like for like to preserve original specification, see national heritage and English heritage web sites, so there should be no structural changes made.

As for Dover pier this site might help.

http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/d/dover_admiralty_pier/index.shtml

[Freycinet]

Please remember that all historical sites and buildings were SANDBAGGED in the period of BoB. Monuments were covered up or removed to prevent bomb damage. Just look at the famous Anteros statue on Piccadilly Circus:

1896:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Piccadillycircus1896.gif

WWII:
http://www.gallagher.com/ww2/images/Picadilly_Circus_World_War_II_12_69e.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piccadilly_Circus
"The Shaftesbury Memorial Fountain in Piccadilly Circus was erected in 1893 to commemorate the philanthropic works of Anthony Ashley Cooper, 7th Earl of Shaftesbury. During the Second World War, the statue atop the Shaftesbury Memorial Fountain was removed and was replaced by advertising hoardings. It was returned in 1948."

[Wolf_Rider]

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm233/JohnVaughan/sub1/Image1-36.jpg


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uh4qIzuxmrI/Sog6fA907LI/AAAAAAAAAsY/XWPH5eElZqc/s1600-h/tunnels1.jpg




http://www.antiquarian-rare-old-books.com/images/dovercastle2.jpg


http://www.antiquarian-rare-old-books.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=110&zenid=48ec3b5ffdec23fdb60c6a7a8933b4d3


http://www.antiquarian-rare-old-books.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=241



http://www.antiquarian-rare-old-books.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=199



http://www.antiquarian-rare-old-books.com/images/doverseafrontpeir.jpg






www.antiquarian-rare-old-books.com (search Dover Castle) for the images which won't appear, even though links works in browser






http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Dover/Dover_Promenade_Pier-04.jpg



http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Dover/Dover_Promenade_Pier-06_b.jpg

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Dover.html#anchor1001167

[ben_wh]

The book and the DVD (and the video extract) on this page may be relevant -

The National Gallery in Wartime
http://www.nationalgallery.co.uk/shop/product_display.asp?ProductID=300952


Cheers,

[Rodolphe]

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A tour of London in 1938.

Buckingham Palace 00:15

Constituition Hill 00:01:30

British Museum 00:02:40

Picadilly Circus 00:03:28

Trafalgar Square National Gallery, Church of St Martins, Nelson's Column 00:04:04

Whitehall 00:04:35

10 Downing Street, Neville Chamberlain 00:05:15

the Centograph 00:05:40

Scotland Yard 00:06:25

Westminster Abbey, Big Ben 00:06:40

St Paul's Cathedral 00:07:30

Bank of England 00:07:46

Tower of London 00:08:55

London Bridge 00:10:45



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnupsncpTng&NR=1



More to come next week. ; )



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[Hoverbug]

This is an excellent source of period imagery. Just start pulling up films with London in the description and 1940 in the date.

http://www.britishpathe.com/search.php

[PeterPanPan]

Just in-case you never saw this on the SimHQ or IL2 forums, here's a copy of a post I did that I thought some of you may like:

...

I have uploaded the file here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?15w2xtgfldy

Cheers, MP.

Wow - fantastic post and was new to me. Thanks so much for taking these pics and sharing. Simply fascinating - not just the contents but how different newspapers were 70 years ago. Where's the TV listings page?!

Cheers

PPanPan

[Asheshouse]

Dover Harbour

I have travelled through the harbour many times and on one occasion had a detailed visit to the Western Harbour to view the quayside when I was involved with a project to build a new cruise liner quay.

Historically most of the foot and vehicle traffic would have gone out through the quays on the eastern harbour. There was facilities here to lift vehicles into ships by crane. No roll on roll off at that time. The western harbour was the train ferry terminal. The terminal building which was a large glazed roof train shed was still there in 1995. There was a roll-on facility for railway rolling stock which may have been pre war -- not sure
Anyway you should think in terms of a lot of rail related scenery on the west side.

The rear part of the harbour has a small enclosed dock (now a marina) where the smaller boats and fishing craft would be docked.

I found this site which has illustrations of the central breakwater
http://www.undergroundkent.co.uk/dover_harbour_breakwater.htm

Some superb stuff on the Western Docks here including 1920's photo of the train ferry terminal and ww2 bomb damage shot.
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/d/dover_western_docks/index.shtml

More on here - Really good stuff
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/stations/d/dover_admiralty_pier/index.shtml
Note the wooden staithes built out from the inside face of the breakwater to create moorings for ferries.
Breakwater is concrete with a granite facing on the seaward face and on the high wave wall on the seaward side.
1912 map on this site.

Train Ferry Terminal - Western Dock
http://www.dover-kent.co.uk/transport/train_ferry_dock.htm

The roll on train ferry came into operation in 1933.
There are aerial photos of the dock on this site.

The Eastern Docks - The Camber -- This was the Naval Harbour in WWII
Good photo of the Eastern Docks, or the Camber as it was then known, on this site.
http://www.dover-kent.co.uk/transport/eastern_docks.htm

After the Admiralty’s withdrawal a private ship-breaking business started up in the Camber. In 1930 the Tilmanstone Aerial Ropeway was opened, bringing coal from Tilmanstone Colliery to a bunker for loading ships at the end of the Eastern Arm. The Southern Railway also had a coaling hopper, opened in 1932 and supplied by coal wagons worked along the Promenade Railway to the Eastern Docks. From the late 1920s Captain Townsend started to operate his car ferry service from the Camber, thus starting the trade which was to build the Eastern Docks into what it is today.

In the Second World War the Camber became home to motor torpedo and motor gunboats of the Royal Navy. Torpedoes and mines were stored in specially excavated tunnels in the cliffs. A number of cavernous fuel storage tanks had also been built into the cliffs to supplement the existing Admiralty fuel depot.

So there is a fuel depot here somewhere?
and underground fuel storage in the cliffs behind.

Good WW1 shot of the Camber in this
http://www.dover-kent.co.uk/history/ww1a_dover_patrol.htm
Taken from the Eastern breakwater looking inland towards the cliffs. Note how the cliffs rise steeply immediately behind the quayside.
The MTB's moorings off small pontoons are probably similar to a WW2 scene.

Part view of 6in gun turret on pier - 1939
http://www.dover-kent.co.uk/history/world_war_2.htm

Various old photos - difficult to view.
http://www.doverpages.co.uk/dover/piers/harbour_piers.htm

Prince of Wales Pier - the middle one
unlike the western and eastern quays this was an iron structure during WW2 -- it was rebuilt in concrete in the 1970's
http://www.dover-kent.co.uk/transport/pow_pier.htm
web cam here -- http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/panoramas/dover_07_prince_wales_pier_01_360.shtml

Fortifications above the Western Dock
The Dover fortifications extend beyond the castle.
This cover the other major part called Western Heights
Lots of plans and photos in here.

http://www.doverwesternheights.org/

http://www.bobleroi.co.uk/ScrapBook/BoatMove/BoatMove_05_2.html
Worth looking at for the photo captioned Dover Jetty Lighthouse, Ferry Berths & the Radar Tower

This is the view coming in the entrance looking towards The Camber (Eastern Docks) with the WW2 radar masts on the hill.
Good shot of the lighthouse.

Eastern Dock 1949 Photo
http://www.austinworks.com/africa.html
You can see the leg of a gantry crane in the background, rail mounted crane. Should be able to find a picture of a complete one somewhere to populate the quayside.

Harbour Plan
http://www.theotherside.co.uk/tm-heritage/background/ferries.htm

This plan actually dates from pre WW1 but it looks pretty much like the WW2 photos.
Quays at the Camber are shown, Admiralty Pier, Prince of Wales Pier plus little short pier to the east of PoW which is a Pedestrian Promenade Pier.

Old Dover Photos
http://www.doverpast.co.uk/

The photo view across The Camber is interesting.
The Roll-on Roll-off faclity in the foreground is post war but at the far side of The Camber Dock are submarine pens in covered berths.
Dover was a submarine base in WW1. They may date from then.

The Promenade Pier was demolished in 1927 it says -- so no need to include that.
Various prominent buildings and hotels on the sea front are shown in the photos.

Submarine Pens - Eastern Docks
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Dover.html#anchor174960

Good selection of shots of the submarine pens from different angles.
The roll -on facility and reclaimed land on the right is not WW2 vintage but you can see the line of the WW2 quayside on the left (east) on some of the photos.

Old Inner Harbour area
http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Dover.html#anchor160141

Good shots of the old inner harbour area - probably turn of the century but much the same in WW2 I expect.

Admiralty Pier - drawing
http://www.doverturret.co.uk/

This is all about the fortified turret half way along the pier (originally it was at the end but the pier was extended)
There are a set of drawings linked which give good cross sections of the curved wave wall on the seaward side of the pier and the elevated walkway along the top of the sea wall. Cast Iron railings shown --- not sure how much detail you need.

I would think the cross sections given here could be applied around the rest of the harbour walls.

Fortifications above Eastern Docks - not the castle
http://www.undergroundkent.co.uk/langdon_battery.htm
These were an important part of the WW2 defences and housed three 6in guns.
The guns were aligned to cover the approaches to Dover and Folkestone.

One of the images showed a sentry on the Breakwater with the shield of a 6in Gun just in view.
It looks like a deck mounting from WW1 warships. It is likely that these would be available for installation.

The drawings of a deck mounted 6in gun are in Anatomy of the Ship Series - Battleship Warspite Similar guns would be mounted on the Langston Battery and Western Heights

Lots of Dover Castle information
http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-content/Dover1.gif -- -aerial view from ms virtual earth 3d

http://johnsmilitaryhistory.com/dover.html --- good general stuff with lots of images

http://www.uk-photos.co.uk/aerial_kent.htm --- good aerial shot
http://www.kented.org.uk/ngfl/subjects/geography/sammy/book2-ks1.html --- another aerial different angle
http://www.lastrefuge.co.uk/images/html/aerials_UK_historical_sites/castles/pages/AWDS_castle009.htm --- another aerial

http://www.castlexplorer.co.uk/england/dover/dover_photos.php#main --- wall close up shots

http://www.electric-image.co.uk/Castles/Dover/dover.html --- excellent set of close ups, possible good source for preparing textures.

http://www.ecs.umass.edu/ece/pozar/dover.jpg --- view from the castle keep. The ruined tower to the right of the church is a Roman Lighthouse (Pharos) more here http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/03/03/01B/049.htm

http://www.dover-kent.co.uk/defence/castle_index.htm --- more views

The Admiralty Lookout -- An important observation post on top of the cliffs above eastern docks -- not very big above ground though.
http://dover-castle-friends.org/tour/admiralty_lookout/

Hope this is useful info.

Ashe

[bhunter2112]

no more buildings- release the game!!!!!!!! add it later if you must.

[KG26_Alpha]

no more buildings- release the game!!!!!!!! add it later if you must.

Now take your surf board and ........................................

[Avimimus]

"The Shaftesbury Memorial Fountain in Piccadilly Circus was erected in 1893 to commemorate the philanthropic works of Anthony Ashley Cooper, 7th Earl of Shaftesbury. During the Second World War, the statue atop the Shaftesbury Memorial Fountain was removed and was replaced by advertising hoardings. It was returned in 1948."

My question is: Where was it moved? It had to be somewhere. Somewhere potentially vulnerable to bombing...

[Asheshouse]

A lot of priceless art treasures were taken from London and stored in underground vaults near Aberystwyth in Mid Wales. Don't know where Eros went to but somewhere similar I would guess.

[major_setback]

Oleg:
Look for old postcards, they are easy to find!!!!!!!!!


Picadilly Circus 1940 (staue removed):

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3258/3251619948_066cb8b322.jpg


Dover Pier (Admiralty pier). I sent this link to Jutocsa over a year ago:

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Dover/Admiralty_Pier-10.jpg

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Dover/Admiralty_Pier-01-nxnfm.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Dover.html&usg=__1pVUuOiwd_Ee-rGAU6ujs2Ub4r0=&h=292&w=450&sz=39&hl=sv&start=3&sig2=DC1etDUnQEFmpqmVRIVHxA&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=hzPd-R7rLXVoVM:&tbnh=82&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpostcard%2Bdover%2Bpier%26um%3D1%26hl %3Dsv%26sa%3DN%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=EsKWS8CzOJnI-Qay-ZCADA

here is another, unknown date:

http://www.dover.freeuk.com/imgs/jpeg/adpier1918.jpg

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dover.freeuk.com/imgs/jpeg/adpier1918.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dover.freeuk.com/port/admiralty_pier.htm&usg=__1KHOFTbIPU1coNLwc56cJKxRbWA=&h=401&w=645&sz=47&hl=sv&start=9&sig2=xK7JJSYqs0eKQNZd8Xy8ww&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=fKoh6bb4PLvWAM:&tbnh=85&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpostcard%2Bdover%2Bpier%26um%3D1%26hl %3Dsv%26sa%3DN%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=EsKWS8CzOJnI-Qay-ZCADA

http://www.reminiscene.co.uk/postcards/0471.jpg

Dover - Prince of Wales pier , unknown date:

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Dover/PofWalesPier-01_900.jpg

Prince of Wales pier:

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/2HAPAG-Vintage/Deutschland-01-Dover_900.jpg

Promenad Pier Dover, early 1940's: [Edit - Removed on request. It was demolished before 1940].

Old photos Dover:

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=http://grumpystumpy.com/images/England/Kent/Dover/Entrance-Dover-Castle-Kent,England,UK-Aug-1951.jpg&imgrefurl=http://grumpystumpy.com/Pages/England/Kent/dover.html&usg=__o2StwJWhNXA287qHv908eaEY68g=&h=500&w=363&sz=39&hl=sv&start=3&sig2=rT_sdfTSFvzRXOn2XOzi7g&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=wrtkQPBTuEzv5M:&tbnh=130&tbnw=94&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddover%2Bcastle%2Bold%2Bpostcard%26um% 3D1%26hl%3Dsv%26sa%3DG%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=5MaWS6qEJdPC-Qbf6KT4Cw

[Rodolphe42]

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Piccadilly Circus

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/London.jpg












Piccadilly Circus October 1939

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/London1.jpg










This structure covers the statue of King Charles I,
Trafalgar Square and the National Gallery

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/London2.jpg












http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/London3.jpg









House of Commons see from tah crossroads of Victotia Embankment and Bridge Street


http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/London4.jpg


http://maps.google.com/maps?layer=c&cbll=51.501056,-0.124583&cbp=12,,,1,&ved=0CB4Q2wU&sa=X&ei=ltSWS4GGOtzJOJ31wO8L






London Trolley-bus

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/London5.jpg







Trafalgar Square, March 1942


http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/London6.jpg


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[major_setback]

Dover, unknown dates.

From this site

http://www.old-postcards-of-dover.co.uk/

...and...
http://www.old-postcards-of-dover.co.uk/album/8



This may be useful:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Dover2008122016410DoverShakespeare.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/DoverB20081214231838.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Dover20081214232702.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Dover20081217210757_edited.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Dover20081220164222.jpg

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[Edit :This pier was demolished/destroyed before 1939!] This shows the two 'towers' at the entrance of the pier. You can also see them in the next 2 photograph after this:



http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Dover20081224104208.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/dover20090215111622.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Dover20081231170217.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Dover20090113111008.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Dover20090115163935.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Dover20090123181009.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Dover20090123183646.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/DoverB20081214225022.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/DoverB20081214225542.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/DoverB20081214230917.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/DoverB20081214231041.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/DoverB20081214231230.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/DoverB20081214231335.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/DoverB20081214231725.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/DoverB20081214232013.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/DoverB20081214232206.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/DoverB20081214233405.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/DoverB20090305165807.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/DoverC20081214230628.jpg



DoverWesternDocks:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/DoverWesternDocks20081217210514W.jpg

[fruitbat]

the promenade pier in dover was demolished in 1927, so that photo preporting to be the promenade pier in 1940 in one of major setbacks photos, is how shall we say, somewhat inaccurate.

[major_setback]

Continued...


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/dover20081214233556.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/dover20090120110033.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/dover20090124230109.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/dover20090129143519.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/dover20090204131208.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/dover20090209145920.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/dover20090215111349.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/dover20090215114008.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/dover20090217112740.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/dover20090305162844.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/dover20090305170243.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/doverB20090305170034.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/doverC20081214230242.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/doverb20090129144219.jpg


Newer:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/doverz20090203121830.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/doverz20090203122035.jpg

[major_setback]

British Museum 1910:

http://cather.unl.edu/images/cat.0020/cat.0020.014.jpg

British Museum 1906:

http://www.victorianweb.org/photos/postcards/mendel/09.jpg

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http://www.dakotaboo.com/postcards/images%5Clondon,%20national%20gallery%20(tuck,%20h eraldic%20view).jpg

http://www.reminiscene.co.uk/postcards/0406.jpg

http://www.reminiscene.co.uk/postcards/0447.jpg

[Friendly_flyer]

British museum, 1890:

http://www.oldukphotos.com/graphics/England%20Photos/London,%20British%20Museum.jpg

[MB_Avro_UK]

I posted this thread re Dover some time ago. All pictures would relate to 1940.

BUT, the ferry harbour to the east of Dover Harbour is a recent creation and would not have been present in 1940. Also, the yacht marina did not exist in 1940 as it was used as a standard harbour.

As mentioned earlier, the Pier did not exist in 1940. All that was present were the stone breakwaters.

The youtube video in the link gives an interesting and brief view of Dover Harbour during a Luftwaffe attack.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=11866

[Rodolphe42]

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Dover Harbour after the raid looks like Dover Harbour before the raid ! :))


http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=25833

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=50910

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=25891

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=12885

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[major_setback]

Westminster Abbey - unknown dates:

http://www.stamps-auction.com/pics/a9084.jpg

http://www.stamps-auction.com/pics/a9338.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/98/365003899_af3ad7b666_o.jpg
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Westminster Abbey. Captioned as '100 year old postcard':

http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/red4me/london0002.JPG

Westminster Abbey. Also '100 year old':

http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/red4me/london_001.JPG

Unknown date:

http://www.dakotaboo.com/postcards/Images%5Clondon,%20westminster%20abbey,%20aerial%2 0(valentine).jpg

Unknown date:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a281/billd2626/march%2024%2008%20pcs/untitled-0089.jpg

Westminster Abbey 1914:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3466/3985287036_932f216b9a_o.jpg

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St Paul's Cathedral. '100 year old':

http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/red4me/london0001.JPG

London 1930's:

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/images/londonbigben_a_.jpg

Unknown date:

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/images/londonparliament.jpg

Unknown date:

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/images/londonparliamentsquare.jpg

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From this site (can be searched within site):

http://grumpystumpy.com/Pages/England/London/houses-of-parliament.html


Westminster Abbey 1933:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/WA01.jpg

1933:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/WA02.jpg

National Gallery:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/WNA03.jpg

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British Museum:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/WBM3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/WBM2.jpg


Houses of Parliament 1947:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/WHP06.jpg


From Wikipedia..
Plans for British Museum ...for changes to be made 1906. This might show the old roof etc.:

"The architect Sir John James Burnet was petitioned
to put forward ambitious long-term plans to extend
the building on all three sides. Most of the houses in
Montague Place were knocked down a few years
after the sale. Of this grand plan only the Edward VII
galleries in the centre of the North Front were ever
constructed, these were built 1906-14 to the design
by J.J. Burnet, and opened by King George V and
Queen Mary in 1914. They now house the Museum's
collections of Prints and Drawings and
Oriental Antiquities. There was not enough money to
put up more new buildings, and so the houses in the
other streets are nearly all still standing".

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/BM%3B_Archives_-_Impression_of_the_proposed_extension.jpg

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Postcard sent in 1945, so photo is probably taken earlier than that:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/Wlon01.jpg



British Museum. Date unknown:

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set131/card00317_fr.jpg

National Gallery. Date unknown:

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set118/card00141_fr.jpg

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set118/card00160_fr.jpg

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set131/card00217_fr.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/WNG02.jpg




British museum:

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set118/card00277_fr.jpg

http://www.cardcow.com/images/set118/card00276_fr.jpg

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St Paul's, pre war!!!

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa278/fit3xl/Victorian/aerial.jpg

Tower of London:

http://cache-media.britannica.com/eb-media/04/10204-050-D33C2E4F.jpg

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Links - The Gallery in Wartime:

http://www.nationalgallery.co.uk/shop/product_display.asp?ProductID=300952


http://www.nationalgallery.co.uk/wartime/content.html

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/upload/img_200/9-damaged-roof-P3169_001-c-third.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/paintings/history/the-gallery-in-wartime/gallery-in-wartime/*/viewPage/4&usg=__uQdR0olgdMGZ1N6AEZb0uoh3xtQ=&h=303&w=208&sz=15&hl=sv&start=53&sig2=5JUP288x--9UP8GBX1fosQ&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=70a3L7IHIV3KMM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=80&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnational%2Bgallery%2Bwartime%26start% 3D40%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dsv%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:sv-SE:official%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=BQebS-WqMoXD-Qba0aSGAg



http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/WNGb01.jpg

Watch this video:

Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CU9TjYnaq4&feature=player_embedded#

http://www.nationalgallery.co.uk/wartime/images/pg102.jpg


"The Blitz. Bombed roof. Gallery at War:
One bomb completely destroyed Room XXVI (now Room 10)On 7 September 1940, the Blitz began in earnest. The City and the East End bore the brunt of the bombing but other parts of London and the south-east were also severely affected.
The National Gallery was hit by bombs nine times between October 1940 and April 1941. The worst occasion was on 12 October 1940 – a high explosive bomb fell on the Gallery totally destroying the room where the Raphaels had hung just before the war.
On another occasion, an unexploded time bomb was discovered in the wreckage from an earlier attack. It later exploded while a lunchtime concert was being held at the other end of the building. Witnesses say that the musicians playing at the time of the explosion didn’t miss a beat."

http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/upload/img_200/9-damaged-roof-P3169_001-c-third.jpg

http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/upload/img_400/8-room-collapse-P4109_019-c-two-third.jpg



"Myra Hess and the lunchtime concerts:
Myra Hess had meant to stop playing the piano for the duration of the war. Soon after war was declared, she held a tea party for some friends. That afternoon she intended to play for one last time before locking the lid of her grand piano. The friends, some of whom were refugees recently arrived from mainland Europe, begged her not to give up playing. The idea of the National Gallery concerts was born.
Starved of entertainment, crowds flocked to the Gallery for the lunchtime concerts. These performances were an opportunity to hear the foremost musicians of the day. Many were given by Myra Hess herself. Favourites in her repertoire were Bach, Beethoven, Brahms and Schumann. The aim was to make classical music accessible to all. The entrance price was set low at one shilling.
The concerts were a huge success. Even in the darkest days of the Blitz, they were nearly always full".

http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/upload/img_400/6-queues-gallery-P4203_001-c-two-thirds.jpg



"On the night of 16 November 1940, incendiary bombs destroyed Hamptons, a department store next door to the National Gallery. The ruins were demolished after the war and the site remained vacant. For several years it served as a car park".

http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/upload/img_400/13-car-park-P4613_001-r-two-third.jpg

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British Museum:

http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2009/british_museum/oldex.jpg

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National Gallery:

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/upload/img_400/national-gallery-new-additions-c-twothird.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/paintings/history/about-the-building/about-the-building/*/viewPage/5&usg=__MGf0RYBY9aGkdzARpdAqvWZfkAI=&h=512&w=432&sz=190&hl=sv&start=108&sig2=4pCAxgG1S835JEcoRDUymQ&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=QJIQ6mPelzOllM:&tbnh=131&tbnw=111&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnational%2Bgallery%26start%3D100%26um %3D1%26hl%3Dsv%26sa%3DN%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=K4qbS4juLZfg-Qa2pYnYBw

Year 1910:

http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/upload/img_400/national-gallery-new-additions-c-twothird.jpg

"There was a lot of public criticism of the National Gallery's building and in 1868 the architect E.M. Barry was asked to submit designs for rebuilding the entire Gallery at Trafalgar Square.
After much discussion, it was decided that the existing building should remain, and a new wing should be added. This was completed in 1876, and added seven new exhibition rooms at the east end, including the impressive dome."

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The Sainsbury Wing should NOT be included in the model!! ..and not the Northern Extension either (I'm trying to find out more about this):

"The Gallery today -The new wing opens

A site next to the Gallery had been vacant since the Second World War, when a furniture shop was destroyed by bombing. The new Sainsbury Wing was opened in 1991, to display the entire early Renaissance collection.
This followed on from the Northern Extension, which opened in 1975, providing considerable extra exhibition space: nine large rooms and three smaller 'cabinet' rooms. These new galleries made use of natural lighting as far as possible.
The Gallery today - Following the completion of the Sainsbury Wing, the Gallery has a total floor area of 46,396 metres squared"

This is the Sainsbury Wing, to the left:

http://nationalgallery.org.uk/visiting/floorplans/level-2/

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Project a few years ago to change the National Gallery. This story is from 2002. I don't know what has been done to the building since this time. The new steps seem to be the most obvious change.:

http://www.hughpearman.com/articles4/natgall.html

http://www.hughpearman.com/illustrations4/natgallgraphic1a.jpg

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The British Museum. The old roof!! :-)
Bomb damage.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/WZ03.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/WZ02.jpg




It looks like they kept the old exterior structures. They added a roof over the courtyard, put in stairs to the tower and pulled down some structures:

http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&site=carpelondinium.wordpress.com&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcarpelondinium.files.wordpress.co m%2F2008%2F07%2F775561.jpg

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British Museum. More pictures of the old roof:

During construction:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/WZ04.jpg

Complete:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/WZ05.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/WZ01.jpg

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British Museum..Windows from inner courtyard 1930's:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/WZ07.jpg

Part of the rear of the Museum:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/album%202/WBM07b.jpg

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National Gallery:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3099/2281482735_7a3ff7d5ca_b.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/WNG03.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/WNG06.jpg

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The back of the British Museum:

http://www.yourlocalweb.co.uk/images/pictures/16/92/the-back-of-the-british-museum-166760.jpg

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I couldn't find the thread with the request for Tower Bridge information/photos, so I'll post this here:

1930's :

http://www.oldukphotos.com/graphics/England%20Photos/London,%20The%20Pool%20of%20the%20Bridges%201930%2 7s.jpg


Very large picture of the bridge:

http://www.histografica.com/pictures/original/o_4etys4lw.jpg

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Roof of National Gallery (I'm unsure if it is that):

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/WNG07.jpg


BIG PICTURES - The following are from this excellent site with lots of VERY LARGE pictures. You can use the map function to show photos from all England (and other counties too)!!!!! All of these hand coloured photos are from year 1890-1900:

http://www.histografica.com/search.aspx#lat=51.5087&lng=-0.1285529&z=11&from=-1000000&to=2000&page=1

or

http://images.google.se/imgres?imgurl=http://www.histografica.com/pictures/original/o_6fovt51x.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.histografica.com/view.aspx%3Fp%3D6fovt51x&usg=__jUEAPY32_qLuk0O_AfrUKMkWb2s=&h=3470&w=2527&sz=1784&hl=sv&start=490&sig2=wyqEo8Ehs7slqeFAaqjf5A&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=k3Xd-arguLFd3M:&tbnh=150&tbnw=109&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtrafalgar%2Bsquare%2Bold%2Bphotos%26s tart%3D480%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dsv%26sa%3DN%26ndsp%3D20 %26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=fAKcS6H-CJCl-AaErtn2AQ

Very big picture, Trafalgar Square and the National gallery:

http://www.histografica.com/pictures/original/o_6fovt51x.jpg






Another big picture from Trafalgar Square:

http://www.histografica.com/pictures/large/l_qq1kjq07.jpg

Extremely large version:

http://www.histografica.com/pictures/original/o_qq1kjq07.jpg

Picadilly Circus:

http://www.histografica.com/pictures/large/l_jbjh16dz.jpg

Extremely larger version:

http://www.histografica.com/pictures/original/o_jbjh16dz.jpg




Horse guards Whitehall:

http://www.histografica.com/pictures/large/l_tiabvg95.jpg

Extremely large version:

http://www.histografica.com/pictures/original/o_tiabvg95.jpg



http://www.histografica.com/pictures/large/l_u9jqgrmi.jpg

Extremely large version:

http://www.histografica.com/pictures/original/o_u9jqgrmi.jpg

http://www.histografica.com/pictures/large/l_073gzuc.jpg

NOTE: Extremely large version of this photograph!!:

http://www.histografica.com/pictures/original/o_073gzuc.jpg


http://www.histografica.com/pictures/large/l_x1eaoo7n.jpg

Extremely large version:

http://www.histografica.com/pictures/original/o_x1eaoo7n.jpg

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Etremely large Dover pictures:

http://www.histografica.com/pictures/large/l_gp3qwzg1.jpg

Extremely large version:

http://www.histografica.com/pictures/original/o_gp3qwzg1.jpg


http://www.histografica.com/pictures/large/l_sf0pujc.jpg

Extremely large version:

http://www.histografica.com/pictures/original/o_sf0pujc.jpg


http://www.histografica.com/pictures/large/l_qvilacua.jpg

Extremely large:

http://www.histografica.com/pictures/original/o_qvilacua.jpg


http://www.histografica.com/pictures/large/l_6wig9dv8.jpg

Extremely large:

http://www.histografica.com/pictures/original/o_6wig9dv8.jpg

[Freycinet]

Thanks for your research Major!

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Thanks for your research Major!

:-)

Well, We all need a hobby! ;-)

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Tower Bridge 30th May 1939:

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/3312815.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=45B0EB3381F7834D75C713DA677A6E622AF0BA9620F44AE5 CA52222F25EC092C

Tower Bridge 1 January 1939:

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/50608697.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=E41C9FE5C4AA0A1404C66AA40D5E14CC5B5ED8620271ECB3 E1F0B80E094F8088E30A760B0D811297

Tower Bridge 1 January 1939:

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/50444579.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=E41C9FE5C4AA0A14BD14A56A658F5C5069B8AB543E7EA7AD DD5619CC73EC1A1EE30A760B0D811297




Piccadilly Circus 1939:

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/3274534.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=45B0EB3381F7834DC766DA19C3B6F250C4B7DD3D3C461989 E23FEF406871B787

Piccadilly Circus 1 Jan 190, according to the site caption:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/W1january19403310559.jpg







NOTE: The dates I've given are the ones shown on the site. These may not be correct. Some of these photos look like they may be from later dates (from the Blitz).

Bomb damage near London/St. Paul's:



Colour 1 January1940:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/WS1January19403430994.jpg

1 January1940:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/WS011January1940.jpg

30dec1940:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/WS0230dec1940.jpg

No date:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Ws3271401.jpg



http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/W1940.jpg





Maybe of interest:

"1939: Three men operating a height finder in Kent, at the first permanent battery site for 4.5 anti-aircraft guns":

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/w3379149.jpg

Similar height finder August 1939:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Waug19393242120.jpg

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Some images of Tower Bridge didn't link, so I added them to these others from the bridge:


Tower Bridge 1937:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/wt19373333402.jpg


1939-40:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/wt79044065.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/wt50608697.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/wt50444579.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/wt3366805.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/wt3312815.jpg



1943:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/wt194350624072.jpg




1944 or 1945:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/wt194450626693.jpg


1945:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/wt19453069281.jpg


1946:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/wt19463068845.jpg


1948:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/wt19483429432.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/wt19483361182.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/wt19483318374.jpg


1950:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/wt195078962713.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/wt19503328812.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/wt19503307828.jpg

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German recon photo 1944:

"21st September 1944: A Nazi photograph of Dover harbour, taken with a long range camera. The entrance to the harbour, a patrol ship and its barrage balloon are clearly marked on the image."

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/wd19443324948.jpg



Churchill 1946 Dover Castle:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Wd71107940.jpg

[leggit]

I meant to post on this thread last week but i just didn't have the time...I wanted to point out that during most of the 20th Century London was a really dirty city with respect to air pollution. This had a profound affect on a lot of londons bulidings covering them in a layer of a soot type material.

http://en.wikivisual.com/images/b/b3/StPaulsCathedralSouth.jpg

this is just one example of St Paul's (1970's in colour) to illustrate the point its difficult to do in b/w photos. London suffered from "smog" during the first half of the 20th Century due to sulphur gas being realised from coal. I personally remember seeing historic buildings being cleaned up during the 1980's and they were black with soot. hope it helps.:)

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1993 Westminster Abbey was cleaned (the outside):

Article:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1876&dat=19930314&id=IS8fAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Fc8EAAAAIBAJ&pg=6649,3882705

[MikkOwl]

Discovered fascinating historical 'monument' that was present in London during BoB. A Bf 110 was shot down, belly landed, crew captured, and the plane was put on display in London in August 1940. It was the same plane visible in photos in the LIFE magazine article as it arrived in USA, and which then all the analysis/tests were performed by the Americans.

I have the LIFE magazine article with photos, and the analysis report. But no pics found so far on how it appeared when displayed in London.

Some details, from John Vasco (Bf 110 historian & writer)



Bf 110 D-0/B
S9+CK
W. Nr. 3341
2. Staffel, Erprobungsgruppe 210
Pilot: Oberleutnant Alfred Habisch (PoW)
Bordfunker: Unteroffizier Ernst Elfner (PoW)
Shot down following early evening raid on Croydon on 15th August 1940 by the unit.
Belly-landed at Hawkhurst, Kent.
Put on street and park display in London towards the end of August 1940
Shipped to the USA aboard SS Montanan in April 1941.
Evaluated by Vultee Aircraft Corporation.
Ultimate fate of the airframe not known.

Seems like a fun little thing, having a damaged Bf 110 positioned in a park or wherever they put it :) Definitely visible from the air, too.

__________________

EDIT: additional info and pics

Photo of where it ditched successfully:
http://www.asisbiz.com/IL2/Bf-110/Bf-110-EG210.2-%28S9+CK%29-Habisch/images/1-Bf-110D-EG210.2-%28S9+CK%29-Alfred-Habisch-damaged-July-15-1940-01.jpg

Photo of it being put on display in London:
http://www.asisbiz.com/IL2/Bf-110/Bf-110-EG210.2-%28S9+CK%29-Habisch/images/1-Bf-110D-EG210.2-%28S9+CK%29-Alfred-Habisch-WNr3341-shot-down-15-1940-01.jpg
"..came down at Hawkhurst following the Croydon raid of 15 August 1940, seen here being put on display in Hendon Park. The crew of Oblt. Alfred Habisch, pilot, and Uffz. Ernst Elfner, Bordfunker, survived into captivity. Messerschmitt Bf-110D-0/B, S9+CK, was probably the most photographed aircraft of the Luftwaffe. Shot down in the early evening of 15 August 1940, it was subsequently put on display in the second half of August in a London street, and later at the end of the month in Hendon Park."

[Rodolphe42]

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Your first link is Bf110 D-0/B S9+CK, JAGUAR ! crash-landed in France on July 21th, after being damaged during a shipping strike. Check the 70/71 fuselage camo.

http://www.asisbiz.com/IL2/Bf-110/Bf-110-EG210.2-%28S9+CK%29-Habisch/images/1-Bf-110D-EG210.2-%28S9+CK%29-Alfred-Habisch-damaged-July-15-1940-01.jpg




I have the LIFE magazine article with photos, and the analysis report. But no pics found so far on how it appeared when displayed in London.




http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/S9CK2.jpg


http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/S9CK1.jpg


In front and below the nose the bombenaufhängung ETC 500/IX b


http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/S9CK.jpg



The AEC Regent bus line "19" and Tram "33" ? could help to find the place where this One ten was parked.

http://www.busesatwork.co.uk/Routes/019.htm


1C Got the AEC Regent DD bus, with missing frames on some windows !!! ; )

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/AECRegentII.jpghttp://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/AECRegentI.jpg






The LIFE magazine article, April 21, 1941, see pages 34 - 35


http://books.google.com/books?id=pEwEAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_hp#v=onepage&q=&f=false



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[MikkOwl]

Rodolphe42 (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/member.php?u=19233), you are right. Will edit post.

I managed to find another photo of the display of it in London. Haven't figured out the address yet.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/29/article-1223767-0701DAF8000005DC-249_468x352.jpg

[Rodolphe42]

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http://www.londontramways.net/search/location.php

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[KG26_Alpha]

Rodolphe42 (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/member.php?u=19233), you are right. Will edit post.

I managed to find another photo of the display of it in London. Haven't figured out the address yet.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/29/article-1223767-0701DAF8000005DC-249_468x352.jpg

Hi

It was put on display in various parks and streets around the London area, it might be tricky finding exact locations, then eventually was shipped to the USA for evaluation.

http://www.kbobm.org/IMAGES/bf110pt2.jpg

[scrope]

Hi Oleg, Having lived in Dover during the BoB and up to 1998 i see your best reference so far of the castle and poW pier is the pictures submitted by Major Setback. the aerial shot of Dover Castle is ideal for the SOW as most pictures
don't really show the whole layout. I know the piers well as i have fished off of all
of them. The Prince of Wales is as it was with the exception of the cafe at the dumphead end[lighthouse]. Oleg i'm coming up to 78 yrs old, will i be SOW lucky?

[Xilon_x]

DEAR 1C COMPANY this is TOWER AND AIRPORT BUILDING loock this....


http://www.controltowers.co.uk/new_2006.htm


http://worldwar2airfields.fotopic.net/

[Viking]

Maybe already posted but anyway here it is

http://sepiatown.com/

Hope it can be of some help.

Viking

[major_setback]

Maybe already posted but anyway here it is

http://sepiatown.com/

Hope it can be of some help.

Viking

A very nice site. No it hasn't been already posted here..

[Tree_UK]

Myself and Furbs, sent you a load of pictures back in 2004 when you requested some, i'm not sure if I still have them but I'll check.