Bangladesh 1971 Air Combat Simulator request to Oleg

[zakkandrachoff]

Bangladesh 1971 Air Combat Simulator request to Oleg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/4/40/20090601135824!Banair71a.PNG

I am requesting a 1971 Bangladesh air combat simulator. This will can be the best simulator ever made. jet fighters of the middle cold war fighting each other. Air-to-Air combats whit missiles, cannons and rockets . Naval Battles and tanks Battles like Kursk (okey, not so bigs)

India Air Force:

*MiG-21FL missile K-13 (AA-2) (poor copy of the American Sidewinders) or R-60 (AA-8 Aphid),
*Sukhoi Su-7BMKs (missile K-13???)
*HF-24 Marut (ex-Pulqui III) (whit matra magic R.530??)
*Hunter F.Mk.56s
*Hawker Siddeley Gnat F.Mk.1 " Ajeet"
*Mystere IVA
*Hawker Sea Hawk in the carrier aircraft INS Vikrant
*Canberra B (I).58s

Pakistan Air Force:
*F-104 Starfighter (AIM-9B Sidewinder missile)
*Mirage-IIIs (missile Matra R550 Magic & Matra R.530)
*Shenyang F-6 (MiG-19P Chinese copy) AIM-9 Sidewinder missile
*F-86 Sabre Mk.6s (version F whit AIM-9B Sidewinders)
*Martin B-57B Canberras Night Bombers
*Lockheed T-33As (training plane)

this could be a nice air combat simulator.
some images;
Indian MIG-21
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/iaf_mig-21m_c1603_7_sqn.jpg
http://www.limalima.com/art/mig-21.jpg
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/1334-2/MiG-21p1.jpg
Indian SU-7
www.acig.org/artman/uploads/iaf_su-7bmk_b911.jpg
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/1330-2/Sukhoi.jpg
Indian HF-24 Marut
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/iaf_hf-24_d-1121.jpg
http://img.blog.yahoo.co.kr/ybi/1/24/56/shinecommerce/folder/76/img_76_16235_9?1199800090.jpg
Indian Hunter F.Mk.56s
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/iaf_hunter_f_mk_56_ba273.jpg
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/1326-2/Hunter-Attack.jpg
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/1346-2/Hunter-Sabre2.jpg
Indian Gnat
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/iaf_gnat_f_mk_1_ie1247.jpg
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/1340-2/Ajeet4.jpg
Indian Mystere IVA
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/iaf_mystere_iva_ia1334.jpg
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/9421-1/IA1337.jpg
Indian Hawker Sea Hawk in the carrier aircraft INS Vikrant
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6969/historic24.jpg
Indian Canberra B (I).58s
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/iaf_canberra_b_i_mk_58_if976.jpg
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/1332-2/Canberra01.jpg
Pakistani F-104 Starfighter
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/paf_f-104a_56-803_001.jpg
http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/airforce/gallery/images/f104_6p.jpg
Pakistani Mirage-III
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/paf_mirage_iiiep_115.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5575/90542870he2.jpg
Pakistani Shenyang F-6 (MiG-19P)
http://aces.safarikovi.org/victories/obr1/aircraft_f-6a_paf_hatmi_raza.jpg
http://www.collectaire.com/advisor/books/mig19inaction.jpg
Pakistani F-86 Sabre
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/paf_f-86f_531076.jpg
http://www.defence.pk/gallery/data/513/medium/F-86.JPG
Pakistani Martin B-57B Canberras Night Bombers
http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/paf_b-57b_946.jpg
http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/airforce/gallery/images/b5701p.jpg
My only hope is that Oleg read this and promise that in some future he goanna work in this and not in some Vietnam, Israely or crappy modern airwar simulator.

[zakkandrachoff]

This are some paints(sorry, not photos, this is not like vietnam or gulf war)

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/1302-2/Arul02.jpg

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/1300-2/Arul05.jpg

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/1298-2/Arul06.jpg

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/1296-2/Arul01.jpg

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/1294-2/Arul04.jpg

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/1246-2/Painting-Polly27.jpg

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/1244-2/Painting-Polly21.jpg

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/1242-2/Painting-Polly19.jpg

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/1260-2/Attock-Hunter.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mBHO1-XY1cM/Sz953Zz2VoI/AAAAAAAALNw/Kdafy4NhkPU/s1600/AW33.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mBHO1-XY1cM/Sz9529qEOUI/AAAAAAAALNg/uZPsECJsA3k/s1600/AW31B.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mBHO1-XY1cM/Sz952WMrqcI/AAAAAAAALNQ/ZgrPWLnr20M/s1600/AW30.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mBHO1-XY1cM/Sz95Wogz2FI/AAAAAAAALNI/mgROfkJ1W-w/s1600/AW38.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mBHO1-XY1cM/Sz95WU1_OmI/AAAAAAAALNA/0-F8K_AMrLw/s1600/AW37.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mBHO1-XY1cM/Sz95WDNPFFI/AAAAAAAALM4/w7V9IDmo-_s/s1600/AW36.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mBHO1-XY1cM/Sz95V9hWQZI/AAAAAAAALMw/jY4bKaN81H8/s1600/AW35.jpg

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1971War/Images/Hussaini-Painting.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Pakistan_Air_Force_B-57s.jpg

http://www.subcontinent.com/1971war/media/hunters-bombing.jpg

http://jaganpvs.tripod.com/hussaini1.jpg

http://www.combatreform.org/f86killsmig21pic.jpg

http://www.clavework-graphics.co.uk/aircraft/ee_canberra/BI8_India_1.png

http://www.warchat.org/pictures/indo-pakistani_war_1971_iaf.jpg

http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/airforce/gallery/images/f104_5p.jpg

http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/airforce/gallery/images/f6_p6.jpg



lbuchele SimHQ Member Said: "Great post zakk.
Classic jets,early missiles (you have to know how to fire them in the right envelope and pray for hit something)
I´m sure that WW2 combat fans will like to fight in fifties or sixties jets.
Those was still pure fighters relying in brute force from it´s jet engines and guns for the most of it´s kills.
Modern jet combat is not for me because BVR missiles kill (maybe not the early AIM-7) the fun and modern heat-seekers can do a kill no matter the skills of the pilots who fire them."

Tarnsman SimHQ Member Said: "Alot of WW2 jocks from all sides continued to fight into the 1960s ( in their 20s in WW2 and their 40s in the Cold War). Im totaly on board with Oleg bringing his vision to this era."


Oleg, THIS is the really FORGOTTEN BATTLES

[zakkandrachoff]

more

http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/airforce/gallery/images/f6_p3.jpg

http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/airforce/gallery/images/f6_p1.jpg

http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/airforce/gallery/images/f6_p2.jpg

http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/airforce/gallery/images/b57eject.jpg

http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/airforce/war/wargallery/images/f6_f104_mirage.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/10gfmyv.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/2j10dhz.jpg

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/1336-2/MiG-21m1.jpg

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/1324-2/MiGTiger.jpg

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/1348-2/Hunter-Sabre.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/rm1y5d.jpg

http://i39.tinypic.com/2zrnz9d.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/2py5lqp.jpg

[drafting]

Wow, that is very interesting! I didn't really know anything at all about the conflict till you just posted this, so regardless of whether you convince anyone to make a game, thanks for the history lesson! :grin:

edit. ...and that'd be a very unique plane setup!

[Romanator21]

Probably not for a few years at least. After BoB will be Korea, and Oleg has hinted at some other "forgotten" WWII theaters. If Oleg and Ilya split after BoB is done, then there is a tiny chance of seeing it after Korea.

[AndyJWest]

From Wikipedia
Bangladesh Liberation War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Liberation_War#The_air_and_naval_war):
The Indian Air Force carried out several sorties against Pakistan, and within a week, IAF aircraft dominated the skies of East Pakistan. It achieved near-total air supremacy by the end of the first week as the entire Pakistani air contingent in the east, PAF No.14 Squadron, was grounded due to Indian airstrikes

A horrific conflict, but not of any great significance in terms of air warfare. Hardly a priority for air combat simulations I'd have thought.

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Unecessary, if you ask me. And judging by the planeset, a "Strike Fighters 2: Wings Over Bangladesh" is more likely.

[Lonely Ringer]

I agree with Andy... sadly ... a whole week eh ? You cannot be serious..

[airmalik]

As someone that lived through that conflict, I'd love to see this but you have no idea what you'd be getting into :) Luft/spit whining would pale in comparison to the reaction you'd get from natives of both countries complaining about favoring one side or the other.

There's hardly an unbiased source of information about any of the conflicts between the two countries. Even wikipedia articles read like propaganda pieces.

The 1971 conflict would be interesting with the preemptive strikes by the PAF but more interesting would be the 1964 conflict which was fought on the west front and produced exciting events like the (disputed) 5 Hawker Hunter kills by a PAF pilot in under a minute:

Great reading even if it might partially be fictional :)

http://www.defencejournal.com/2001/september/alam.htm

Alam had lost sight of the other Hunters, but with ample fuel he was prepared to fly some distance to catch up with them. Soon after crossing the Chenab River, his wingman Akhtar called out, “Contact, Hunters one o’clock.” They were flying at 100-200 feet and around 480 knots. As Alam closed into gunfire range, the Hunters did a half-hearted defensive turn which did nothing to spoil his aim; rather, it set them up in line astern for easy shooting in a row. Alam fired at the last Hunter against the glow of the rising sun and saw fuel spew out of the drop tanks, which had taken hits from the Sabre’s six guns. In a hurry to score fast, Alam shifted his aim ahead onto the next aircraft and fired another short burst. The Hunters seemed to fly across Alam’s gunsight like a gaggle of geese, and he obliged repeatedly, four times in all.

This conflict, like the later 1971 one, was very short lived with epic tank and air battles. I think the shortness of the conflict might actually make for a good sim scenario. Both sides were limited by resources but more so the smaller country of Pakistan and a proper campaign engine with resource mgmt would make this quite interesting.

Some air combat stats (again, disputed) about the 1971 conflict:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_warfare_in_1965_India_Pakistan_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Air_Force#1965_India-Pakistan_War

During the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 the PAF was out-numbered 5:1 against the Indian Air Force and, initially, both sides claimed to have downed around 100 aircraft of the opposition during the 23 day war. The PAF fleet at the time consisted of 12 F-104 Starfighters, some 120 F-86 Sabres and around 20 B-57 Canberra bombers.[8] The Indian claim of 100 PAF aircraft downed was proven to be highly exaggerated when 86 F-86 Sabres, 10 F-104 Starfighters and 20 B-57 Canberra bombers were flown in a parade after the war.

The best reason, however, for a sim based on this conflict might be the opportunity to dogfight in the Himalayas! I don't think current technology would do that landscape justice though.

[airmalik]

Some pictures of Sabres and Hunters I took last year at Oshkosh:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4002/4351231417_5ff4cfcabf_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4071/4351980322_dc1e544515_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4034/4351969946_9cd67a0e3e_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4038/4351971604_386bf6748b_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4041/4351971816_573ca3105a_o.jpg

More pics from Oshkosh 2009 including some awesome shots of polished Mustangs:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/malik/sets/72157623421425070/

[Igo kyu]

Some pictures of Sabres and Hunters I took last year at Oshkosh:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4034/4351969946_9cd67a0e3e_o.jpg

I don't know what those are, but they're not Hawker Hunters, this is a (dual control?) Hunter.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Hawker_hunter_t7_blue_diamond_in_planform_arp.jpg/800px-Hawker_hunter_t7_blue_diamond_in_planform_arp.jpg

The noses may look somewhat similar, but the tails are different and the wings aren't swept. They could be some sort of conversion trainer version, but it's not a fighter variant.

Nice photos, no offence intended, it's just those don't look like typical Hunters to me.

[Qpassa]

I would prefer Spanish Civil War (1936-1939)

[Lonely Ringer]

airmalik those are Dragon Flys, T-37 built by Cessna as a light trainer flown by VNAF in Nam.... side by side seating , had one land in Phu Bai when I was there and walked around it counting the number of holes in the tail section ( over 40) the VNAF pilots had nearly run out of fuel , they refuled and took off .... holes and all . So one cannot believe anything you have to say if you cannot do your home work any better than that ....
They made great ground support AC with straight wings could run tree top level 100 mph slower than conventional jets. mini guns in the nose and rockets and could loiter longer .... hence the one landing at Phu Bai was shot to swiss cheese ... those guys were tryin really hard to support their ground troops whose basic training graduation was not on some manicured parade field but a hump in the bush for real ..... if you look on the tail at the yellow and red stripes .... yep VN combat braggin rights... these two earned em flying in Nam....

Happy Trails
Lonely Ringer
John 3:16

[zakkandrachoff]

As someone that lived through that conflict, I'd love to see this but you have no idea what you'd be getting into :) Luft/spit whining would pale in comparison to the reaction you'd get from natives of both countries complaining about favoring one side or the other.

There's hardly an unbiased source of information about any of the conflicts between the two countries. Even wikipedia articles read like propaganda pieces.

The 1971 conflict would be interesting with the preemptive strikes by the PAF but more interesting would be the 1964 conflict which was fought on the west front and produced exciting events like the (disputed) 5 Hawker Hunter kills by a PAF pilot in under a minute:

Great reading even if it might partially be fictional :)

http://www.defencejournal.com/2001/september/alam.htm

Alam had lost sight of the other Hunters, but with ample fuel he was prepared to fly some distance to catch up with them. Soon after crossing the Chenab River, his wingman Akhtar called out, “Contact, Hunters one o’clock.” They were flying at 100-200 feet and around 480 knots. As Alam closed into gunfire range, the Hunters did a half-hearted defensive turn which did nothing to spoil his aim; rather, it set them up in line astern for easy shooting in a row. Alam fired at the last Hunter against the glow of the rising sun and saw fuel spew out of the drop tanks, which had taken hits from the Sabre’s six guns. In a hurry to score fast, Alam shifted his aim ahead onto the next aircraft and fired another short burst. The Hunters seemed to fly across Alam’s gunsight like a gaggle of geese, and he obliged repeatedly, four times in all.

This conflict, like the later 1971 one, was very short lived with epic tank and air battles. I think the shortness of the conflict might actually make for a good sim scenario. Both sides were limited by resources but more so the smaller country of Pakistan and a proper campaign engine with resource mgmt would make this quite interesting.

Some air combat stats (again, disputed) about the 1971 conflict:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_warfare_in_1965_India_Pakistan_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Air_Force#1965_India-Pakistan_War

During the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 the PAF was out-numbered 5:1 against the Indian Air Force and, initially, both sides claimed to have downed around 100 aircraft of the opposition during the 23 day war. The PAF fleet at the time consisted of 12 F-104 Starfighters, some 120 F-86 Sabres and around 20 B-57 Canberra bombers.[8] The Indian claim of 100 PAF aircraft downed was proven to be highly exaggerated when 86 F-86 Sabres, 10 F-104 Starfighters and 20 B-57 Canberra bombers were flown in a parade after the war.

The best reason, however, for a sim based on this conflict might be the opportunity to dogfight in the Himalayas! I don't think current technology would do that landscape justice though.


I know , 1965 war in the west or 1971 in the west too. I was saying Bangladesh to get all in only one small scenario without big city's like are India and Pakistan in the west Front. Bangladesh is not so big. For me, is the perfect for a Dogfight and big operations like I do in LOMAC. I not understand what Lonely Ringer said about that " is only 1 to 2 weeks only of combat". what about it!?. Storm Of War Battle of Britain only goanna takes 3months. I like more India Pakistan Air combat that Korean War in were North Korea only have Mig-15 and a ww2 fighter. And Allies have more than 10 jet planes whit radar, ground attack and more. Don't like. And I am tired of Israeli conflict. I think is a good chance to get a really good air combat whit medley could war jets. AAA, of course, nobody like the idea because this is orient conflict. No USAF, no RAF, no Luftwaffe, No Jewish, of course, of course. I don't care so much that, only equal air forces.
MIG-21 shooting down F-104
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1971War/Images/Soni-Painting.jpg

here is a link of air victories and losses.
http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/airforce/war/airloses.html

If somebody know about another similar conflict, but similar, not Vietnam, please write about it.

[airmalik]

I don't know what those are, but they're not Hawker Hunters, this is a (dual control?) Hunter.

You're right. They're not Hawker Hunters as Lonely Ringer has also pointed out. I'm not familiar with Dragonflys in fact, until now I never associated Cessna with military aircraft.

cheers

[zakkandrachoff]

You're right. They're not Hawker Hunters as Lonely Ringer has also pointed out. I'm not familiar with Dragonflys in fact, until now I never associated Cessna with military aircraft.

cheers

The DragonFly is very famous in Southamerica, here in Argentina no: we have the crappy Pucara, Pampa and Mohawk for Ground Attack role: But in the other country operate the DragonFly

Chile air force

http://lh5.ggpht.com/daretamalr/SL1Xn05QN4I/AAAAAAAAEWw/fAEkcw0lrBs/s800/A-37B%20Dragonfly%20%23605%20Chile.jpg

[Lucas_From_Hell]

The DragonFly is very famous in Southamerica, here in Argentina no: we have the crappy Pucara, Pampa and Mohawk for Ground Attack role: But in the other country operate the DragonFly

No, right now the "other countries" either operate or are planning to acquire Super Tucanos.

The Pucará is far from being crappy - its ageing, true, but it's not crappy at all.

Pampa is just a trainer, so you can't really compare.

About the Mohawk, didn't know they still operated that. Man, that's old...

[Lonely Ringer]

Mohawk..sister MI unit flew them , Officer pilot in left seat and enlisted TO in the right seat operating the FLIR.. if the pilot got hit the enlisted would have to fly it so they got the training but not the rank ... funny looking AC for sure flown by 73rd Avn Co Vung Tau and the 131st MI Co out of Phu Bai....
see here [URL="http://www.ov-1.com/"]

There were a lot of different AC used in SEA , shame Oleg does not have time or inclination but do not blame him ((( and thirdwire did no justice at all to this period of aviation ))) ... helo's,jets,turbo fan's, recips, covering a 12 year time period, 5 ( not including communist) nations and would be awsome challenge indeed.

[K_Freddie]

If we're going to understand world conflict.. it would be educational to the Westerners (like myself - I've vaguely heard of this) to understand the significance of this, just as Oleg has made the Eastern Front a reality.

After all didn't the Indian Air Force kick US butt in a simulated conflict(edt- this doesn't take much - no insult to the indians).
This is not to undermine the Pakistani defences, who are by no means inferior in the local context.

It'll be great to hear from local people in these areas
:cool:

[76.IAP-Blackbird]

Try Strike Fighters 2 all planes are covered and Terrain is WIP

[zakkandrachoff]

About the Mohawk, didn't know they still operated that. Man, that's old...

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9576/OV-1D_jpg.jpg

to cannibalize is the word?

[Lonely Ringer]

Thanks for sharing .... butughlyyyyyy is the word........ no offence to the brave souls that flew 'em...especally anyone from the 131st MI Company. But they were fast...

[MikkOwl]

This conflict, like the later 1971 one, was very short lived with epic tank and air battles. I think the shortness of the conflict might actually make for a good sim scenario. Both sides were limited by resources but more so the smaller country of Pakistan and a proper campaign engine with resource mgmt would make this quite interesting.
I have never gotten my hands on a short conflict sim before, and you have a point there. Bad side might be that it would be 'too easy' if knowing where to go and what to do (i.e. some randomization inside a realistic envelope would make it the same conflict but impossible to read the future).

I suppose that the concept of fighting a battle (inside an operation) is the closest to it when speaking of the more vast wars.

The main thing speaking against this is that it is not well known in Europe and North America, and that none of those countries were combatants.

I love modern machinery but I hate self guiding missiles. :(

[Oleg Maddox]

We don't plan move in the 1970th.
Our main area - WWII and nearest around time. There we are still specialistis of Hi End class.

[airmalik]

We don't plan move in the 1970th.
Our main area - WWII and nearest around time. There we are still specialistis of Hi End class.

Hi Oleg,

That wasn't a surprising response. I guess the limited market appeal means if it ever gets developed it'll be by a third party.

I love modern machinery but I hate self guiding missiles.

I'm with you on this. Unpredictable missiles, fast airplanes and low level gun fights for me!

[zakkandrachoff]

We don't plan move in the 1970th.
Our main area - WWII and nearest around time. There we are still specialistis of Hi End class.

buu

i will ask DCS people, maybe they will get some interest.

I hate strike fighters 2. Only f#### judies planes can be flyable. And graphics are crappy. Very arcade sim.

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Don't even try it.

DCS tries to push it as modern as military contracts can.

There is virtually no interest in making another simulator brand, apparently. They're working in military-grade simulators, Lock On (2.0, just to finish it) and, the most expected, future DCS titles (currently DCS: A-10C).

As well as Maddox Games area is around the middle of 20th century, Eagle Dynamics plays it right in late 90's and specially 21st century air warfare, mainly without a fixed scenario, only proposed situations. This gives more possibilities if your creative.

Asking them to develop a whole new sim on the 70's is just non-sense. Bangladesh just isn't a very interesting war in terms of air combat, or at least not as interesting as having modern NATO & Russian military equipment put against each other. Maybe (and just maybe) if it involved a modern engagement of those countries, things would get more interesting, and it would involve many planes seen in DCS & Lock On.

This would simulate quite an interesting conflict, something really worth a simulator (still, there are still many things to come before a new scenario in DCS).

Pakistan has, in active service: F-16 (A/B, AM/BM & C/D being delivered), Mirage III & 5, F-7s, A-5s and Erieyes (plus transports, trainers and transport helicopters).

Seeing these aircraft meeting India's MiG-21 Bisons, MiG-27UPG, MiG-29S/SMT, Su-20MKI, Mirage 2000H, Jaguars, A-50s and Mi-25/35 (and transports & trainers) would be some fun, for sure.

But still, it's always better to simulate NATO vs. Russia, specially because all (or at least most) of the equipment India & Pakistan has was bought from either a NATO member or Russia (except for a few, these being either Chinese, home-built or imported from non-NATO countries).

[lbuchele]

buu

i will ask DCS people, maybe they will get some interest.

I hate strike fighters 2. Only f#### judies planes can be flyable. And graphics are crappy. Very arcade sim.

And I hate to see anti-semitic people even here at a flight simulator forum...
Really a shame.

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Ibuchele, chill out.

He doesn't hate Israel, only the fact that Strike Fighters isn't really fair, as it only gives you NATO & Israeli planes.

I agree with him, if Strike Fighters had some MiGs and etc. built in, it would make me happier. I don't own the game, but I'd surely buy it if it had some Russian planes as well.

(Por sinal, vi "Location" agora. Resumindo, o 'hermano' não falou nada demais, só que não gostava de Strike Fighters porque só tem avião israelense. "Judie" é tão ofensivo quanto chamar o cara de "japa", nem esquenta :mrgreen:)

[lbuchele]

Ibuchele, chill out.

He doesn't hate Israel, only the fact that Strike Fighters isn't really fair, as it only gives you NATO & Israeli planes.

I agree with him, if Strike Fighters had some MiGs and etc. built in, it would make me happier. I don't own the game, but I'd surely buy it if it had some Russian planes as well.

(Por sinal, vi "Location" agora. Resumindo, o 'hermano' não falou nada demais, só que não gostava de Strike Fighters porque só tem avião israelense. "Judie" é tão ofensivo quanto chamar o cara de "japa", nem esquenta :mrgreen:)

Ok,Lucas , I need to apologize with the guy if I misunderstood.
I´m not jewish but don´t like any kind of religious or racial hate.
Speaking of Strike fighters, it´s a great game in fact if you really try it ,dogfight can be much more challenging than Il2.
I use to fly for the red side ( simple mod ,easy to find in the forums) and Israelis Mirages are easy meat to Mig 17 and the uber fighter Mig 19.
Mig 21 are fast but had poor handling and weapons.
in the Six Days war you can wipe out everything Israel throw on you easily.
Yom Kippur:fly low to avoid radar aquisition by F4 and you will be no touched by sparrows.
Lebanon war: forget it you will be dead just going inside the cockpit of a Mig or Su-7. F15A eagle rules the skyes,no match for it, only SAMs.
Bom ver um brazuca aqui no banana forum.Grande abraço.

[zakkandrachoff]

Ibuchele, chill out.

He doesn't hate Israel, only the fact that Strike Fighters isn't really fair, as it only gives you NATO & Israeli planes.

I agree with him, if Strike Fighters had some MiGs and etc. built in, it would make me happier. I don't own the game, but I'd surely buy it if it had some Russian planes as well.

(Por sinal, vi "Location" agora. Resumindo, o 'hermano' não falou nada demais, só que não gostava de Strike Fighters porque só tem avião israelense. "Judie" é tão ofensivo quanto chamar o cara de "japa", nem esquenta :mrgreen:)

thanks buddy :cool:

i don't know anything about a mod.

i will search

will be very nice that oleg do a sim of middle could war.
in korea is only mig15. maybe He can put the MiG-9, La-176, Yak-15, Yak-17, Yack-17UTI, Su-11, Yak-30, La-15. or something like that.