New HOTAS!!

[335th_GRSwaty]

Take a look to the banner at Thrustmaster Web site

http://www.thrustmaster.com/

All we can see is the weight (6 kg)!!And of a part of the HOTAS!

Has anyone more to share?

G940 ,X65 and now this one!!!

PS.I found this but are totally different products.
http://www.ch-hangar.com/SiteFiles/Images/product_images/CHProd_IITSEC_2.jpg

[fuzzychickens]

The cylinder on top of the warthog makes me think it is force sensing because it doesn't look like there is room for gimbals based on where the pivot point is.

So, like the x65, this won't be useful for most prop simmers unless they make the stick move a reasonable amount.

Looks like the CH fighterstick is still the best option on the market until CH gets their civilian warthog stick out.

[l88bastard]

The cylinder on top of the warthog makes me think it is force sensing because it doesn't look like there is room for gimbals based on where the pivot point is.

So, like the x65, this won't be useful for most prop simmers unless they make the stick move a reasonable amount.

Looks like the CH fighterstick is still the best option on the market until CH gets their civilian warthog stick out.

Seriously, the CH fighterstick is a piece of crap compared to the logitec G940. The G940 force feedback is simply amazing in IL2.

[Feuerfalke]

The cylinder on top of the warthog makes me think it is force sensing because it doesn't look like there is room for gimbals based on where the pivot point is.

So, like the x65, this won't be useful for most prop simmers unless they make the stick move a reasonable amount.

Looks like the CH fighterstick is still the best option on the market until CH gets their civilian warthog stick out.

I recommend checking out the DCS-Forums. Considering their upcoming simulation is about the A-10C, there is a huge interest in a realistic joystick and also to provide some data.

The TM stick uses HALL-Sensors for all main axis, so the stick is NOT force-sensing like the X65F. Besides that, the TM Warthog's Throttle models not only the split-throttle like CH does, but also the switches located on the throttle-panel and even the complete panel just behind that.

[ECV56_Lancelot]

Does the wathog throttle have a hat that can be used like a mouse like the one to control the radar on the F16 throttle?

[BadAim]

Looks like EVERYONE is getting in on the action. Seems like the flight sim genre is not so dead after all? For my money, my x52 is fairly new and still works, I'm going to wait till SOW is out or nearly out and see how the playing field fleshes out.

Unless a rich uncle that I didn't know about dies and leaves me several million dollars that is, then all bets are off.

Several million aught to cover a House, a Car, a HOTAS, and a year or two's living expenses for full time SOW playing.

[fuzzychickens]

I recommend checking out the DCS-Forums. Considering their upcoming simulation is about the A-10C, there is a huge interest in a realistic joystick and also to provide some data.

The TM stick uses HALL-Sensors for all main axis, so the stick is NOT force-sensing like the X65F. Besides that, the TM Warthog's Throttle models not only the split-throttle like CH does, but also the switches located on the throttle-panel and even the complete panel just behind that.

I haven't seen thrustmaster state what is in the warthog as far a sensors go.

Nothing more than flash ads so far.

[fuzzychickens]

Seriously, the CH fighterstick is a piece of crap compared to the logitec G940. The G940 force feedback is simply amazing in IL2.

It is nice for FFB and nothing else in my experience. I spent an entire week trying to get the 940 working well enough before returning it, but the dead floppy stick in the center means that I lost accuracy esp when properly trimming out my plane - trying to aim around the center screws everything up.

No matter what FFB setting used on the 940, the CH fighter stick is better where it counts for me, getting bullets into your enemy instead of the other way around.

You can knock the fighter stick for not being fancy, but at least it does what I expect with regards to control inputs. That's better then making a nice buring hole in the ground with fancy FFB effects.

[l88bastard]

It is nice for FFB and nothing else in my experience. I spent an entire week trying to get the 940 working well enough before returning it, but the dead floppy stick in the center means that I lost accuracy esp when properly trimming out my plane - trying to aim around the center screws everything up.

No matter what FFB setting used on the 940, the CH fighter stick is better where it counts for me, getting bullets into your enemy instead of the other way around.

You can knock the fighter stick for not being fancy, but at least it does what I expect with regards to control inputs. That's better then making a nice buring hole in the ground with fancy FFB effects.

Funny, I am 10x more precise with the G940 and I had a year with the CH fighterstick. I dont' know what deadzone you are talking about, but the center of my G940 is very small and I can make all kinds of precise micro adjustments before any kind of FFB gets in the way (just like a real plane).

The CH stick is loose, sloppy and very toylike. It gave me no aid in putting holes in the enemy and it could care less if I was about to stall, because it never gave me any kind of heads up.

Don't even get me started on the throttle and pedals. IMHO the CH sticks are the most over rated piece of hardware periphal that I have ever used and saying that they are the best because of their build quality is like praising a for pinto that is guaranteed to last for 20 years of driving:rolleyes:

[AdMan]

vowed never to buy a thrustmaster product again after purchasing one of their gamepads. My Saitek works just fine and has HOTAS and great force feedback

[Chivas]

I never liked the CH flight sticks much because of the clunky gimbals made accurate shooting while maneuvering difficult. Well the G940 is 10X worse. G940 electric centering ,forcefeeback, and very week tension around the center makes the CH stick feel smooth. Your constantly having to change input force drastically, making accurate shooting very difficult. Hopefully a patch will be able smooth out the rough edges of the G940, but I have my doubts that a software change will be able to do that.

I hate having going back to my MSFF2, Cougar Throttle, and Saitek pedals after investing so much money in the G940, so I will tough it out awhile longer, hoping things will get better. At the moment the The MSFF2 > G940 stick, Cougar throttle > G940, and the Saitek Pro Rudders > G940 rudders. I decided to buy a new Hotas because Windows 7 doesn't load the MSFF2 programming software.

[Tvrdi]

I never liked the CH flight sticks much because of the clunky gimbals made accurate shooting while maneuvering difficult. Well the G940 is 10X worse. G940 electric centering ,forcefeeback, and very week tension around the center makes the CH stick feel smooth. Your constantly having to change input force drastically, making accurate shooting very difficult. Hopefully a patch will be able smooth out the rough edges of the G940, but I have my doubts that a software change will be able to do that.

I hate having going back to my MSFF2, Cougar Throttle, and Saitek pedals after investing so much money in the G940, so I will tough it out awhile longer, hoping things will get better. At the moment the The MSFF2 > G940 stick, Cougar throttle > G940, and the Saitek Pro Rudders > G940 rudders. I decided to buy a new Hotas because Windows 7 doesn't load the MSFF2 programming software.

I trashed my completely new X52 PRO stick and now Im on MS SW Precision pro + X52 PRO throttle

I think ill buy 2 MS SW FF2 PRO joysticks to have them in reserve.....Tried CH stuff, Aviator, Evo......CH is durable yes....but thats all what is good there.......all those sticks are crap crap crap when it comes to precision and theyr all uncomfortable.....except MS SW

[Chivas]

I trashed my completely new X52 PRO stick and now Im on MS SW Precision pro + X52 PRO throttle

I think ill buy 2 MS SW FF2 PRO joysticks to have them in reserve.....Tried CH stuff, Aviator, Evo......CH is durable yes....but thats all what is good there.......all those sticks are crap crap crap when it comes to precision and theyr all uncomfortable.....except MS SW

Hehe...I took my X52 for a ride, it never returned.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Still using the dreaded TM Cougar :D Clunky and all, spikes at times but works most of the time :) Can't wait to get that A-10 stick though, but might cost quite a heap of moolah :-P

[VF-51_Dart]

First preview from SimHQ!

http://www.simhq.com/_commentary/all_101b.html

[VA_Deacon]

http://www.gamingshogun.com/Article/7014/Thrustmaster_HOTAS_Warthog_E3_Preview_Event.html


" In the new Warthog, this older system has been replaced by a H.E.A.R.T (HallEffect AccuRate Technology) sensor. This new sensor uses magnetic fields to detect accurate stick location. In fact, the new sensor is so accurate that it has a resolution of 65,536 x 65,536 different locations! "

[VA_Deacon]

http://www.gamingshogun.com/Article/7014/Thrustmaster_HOTAS_Warthog_E3_Preview_Event.html


"In the new Warthog, this older system has been replaced by a H.E.A.R.T (HallEffect AccuRate Technology) sensor. This new sensor uses magnetic fields to detect accurate stick location. In fact, the new sensor is so accurate that it has a resolution of 65,536 x 65,536 different locations! "

[Flanker35M]

S!

If you read SimHQ, there is a hands-on article of TM Warthog stating it uses Hall sensors. A HOTAS I will buy for sure. Only downside is that it lacks the port to attach pedals so need to buy USB pedals as well.

[335th_GRSwaty]

S!
Only downside is that it lacks the port to attach pedals so need to buy USB pedals as well.

Or you can keep Cougar on your desk!I got Modded Cougar and Simpeds and I don't feel good thinking all these in a closet!
Also,I think using T.A.R.G.E.T. you can manage all these devices with on piece of software.

@VA_Deacon: H.E.A.R.T is in use on T.16000M.
http://www.hotas.gr/content/view/77/1/lang,en/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnRFDepi3uI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPW-gLXbQJA

[Chivas]

The Warthog is looking more interesting all the time. I like everything I've seen so far. BUT...One of the most important aspects of a stick beside precision is being able to adjust the return to center tension to suit. It will be interesting to see if the Warthog uses springs or some other form. I think the only sticks with adjustable return to center tension are the G940 and MSFF2 which are adjusted electrically, thru the forcefeedback circuitry.