Foo'bar needs help: french 040D steam engine

[Foo'bar]

Hello all,

I'm searching after some references/photos for the french SNCF Nord version of the former prussian G8.1
I already have all references for the german/prussian version. What I need is information for the coloring and the french variations and characteristics of that engine. Do we have any french railway experts here?

http://www.lrpresse.fr/trains/album_mod/upload/b2bc4c7cb3795117f9f1ce907d2ba966.jpg

[brando]

Did you check out the toy manufacturers? This link http://www.reynaulds.com/products/Marklin/37556.aspx shows the colour to be green. That's likely to be correct for passenger loco's, as the model train buffs are as "bad" about this kind of detail as any other kind of hobbyist ;)

Read the Wiki link also - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNCF_Class_040-D - which explains that the characteristics of the engines are the same bar the marking plates since they are essentially all the same locomotive. The entire class was constructed in Germany and most ended up in France as part of WW1 reparations. By comparing your picture with photos of the G8.1 (class built in 1902-13) it appears that the smokestack may have been shortened - probably due to loading-gauge differences - or even replaced. There are different fittings on the smokebox door compared to other shots I have seen, and this version seems to be without the Westinghouse brake system seen on other variants. But it was a large class of loco's, and it will have evolved during it's eleven year construction period and overhauls in the inter-war years. Lengthened chimneys, smoke deflectors, improved braking systems; these were all about efficiency of operation rather than national characteristics. And please, please note - the "paint job" is not a national thing either. Some shade of green usually denotes a passenger loco, and black a freight loco - throughout Europe - and I hope we won't get stuck with the idea that prevailed in IL-2; that Russian locos are all apple green and German locos are black.

I also hope that the British loco's are portrayed correctly. The big difference is that the majority of the steam pipes( that so clutter the continental designs) are hidden within the boiler casings and superstructure of the UK designs. It's a very pronounced difference.

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[KG26_Alpha]

Green

http://www.reynaulds.com/images/Marklin/37556.jpg

Also in Grey for freight :)

http://www.rocousa.com/trix/new2001/22747.jpg

http://www.rocousa.com/trix/new2001/2001%20Trix%20HO%20New%20Items.asp

[brando]

Also worth noting is that most loco's and rolling stock ended up the same, uniform colour after a while - dirty black - as the cleaners were recruited or conscripted into the armed forces!

On the railway theme, can I repeat a question that I raised when this forum first started?

In the first half of the twentieth century in the UK there were very few single track railway lines. Most of the main routes were in fact made up of four separate tracks, two for express trains, up and down, and two for slow trains either freight or slow passenger. The number often expanded to as many as six where the lines came closer to London, sometimes more. It would be good, essential even, to see this modelled in BoB. Railways were an essential navigation tool for aircraft of both sides.

Continuing on the theme - these huge lines were incapable of being camouflaged, especially at night in good weather. Railway tracks in regular use literally gleam in moonlight, and are visible as high as twenty thousand feet. The Luftwaffe used them as a visual aid for finding & bombing London. I hope this has been considered.


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[Zorin]

This might help in the process of collecting references:

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/roland.arzul/

[Foo'bar]

Does anyone know where I can find a Hi Res NORD emblem and a SNCF emblem either?

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/5412/040d10.jpg

[JVM]

Would this help?

[Foo'bar]

Excellent! That logo I was searching for. Thank you for helping, mate :)

[Foo'bar]

JVM, on the back side of that logo is your name ;) thanks again!

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5281/040dsncf.jpg

[Avimimus]

As always, brilliant work.

Quick question: How complex are the damage models going to be for these?
Also, are there any obstacles to adding a cockpit to these (ie. obstacles in the model, obviousaly. Oleg's tools and implementation of railways are a completely different issue).

[Foo'bar]

As Oleg would say: too early to say now ;)
Railway will follow ground damage model rules.

AFAIK even a locomotive can have a "cockpit" in SoW, but I may be wrong.

[JVM]

Thanks! I am much honoured...

I think you could probably use the "Nord" plate as well (true also for 230 and 231 for instance) as it means the ex-"Nord" company network to become the NORD SNCF network, which is the one of interest for SoW BoB.
It is perfectly possible that not all the loco got the "SNCF" logo plate in time for some reason.

I also believe that the registration shown "040 D 245" designated an ex G8.1 loco belonging to the EST SNCF network.
The NORD network got also G8.1 but SNCF-registered as "2-040 D 1 (to 212)" and 501 to 555.

On the front marking the region designator ("2" here) is usually missing.

Amically

JV

PS What kind of combat flight simulation is this where we exchange about the finer points of loco registration?

[Foo'bar]

What kind of combat flight simulation is this where we exchange about the finer points of loco registration?

That's what I do for the last five years now, however first time for a non-german loco ;)
Thanks for your answers!

[ElAurens]

I know this is going even farther into the world of railways than some here would care to see, but I have been a fan of my own country's (US) railroads since I was very small and saw some of the last steam locos in service in my part of the US.

I am always amazed that so many freight types without leading trucks made it into passenger service in Europe. Leading trucks (bogey wheels) are necessary for high speed stability and ability to negotiate curves at the speeds typical of passenger (or high speed freight) operation.

The 0-8-0 type was first built in the US in 1844 and was relegated to slow freight work only. In the latter part of the 20th. century this type was mostly used as a switcher (shunter) for yard work.

Sorry for "derailing" the conversation.

:grin:

Great work you are doing Foo'bar.

[Foo'bar]

In Germany many of the G8/G8.1 later got a leading truck because of that and beeing renamed to BR 56.
The SNCF loco I'm currently building had a max speed of 60 km/h. It came to France because of reparation from Germany after WW1 by some hundreds. When SoW once will face eastern front I plan to make a german BR 55 loco from it. In WW2 it is one of the most german built steamers ever.

[ElAurens]

Wow, that's only 37mph. Quite slow. No need for a leading truck then.

Very interesting.

[Foo'bar]

60 km/h max is fast enough for freight trains because most of freight cars weren't allowed to drive faster than that. Of course for a passenger train it is too slow. But you have to keep in mind that the prussian G8 is a very old lady. It was built first in 1902 and 60 km/h was quite fast then ;)

[Foo'bar]

At least a small update from here, the french steamer LOD0 has almost been finished. Some small parts still have to be added.

All still WIP, but you can imagine how she will be looking like:

http://foorum.mexxoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=14

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8177/040d29.th.jpg (http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8177/040d29.jpg)

[TheGrunch]

At least a small update from here, the french steamer LOD0 has almost been finished. Some small parts still have to be added.

All still WIP, but you can imagine how she will be looking like:

Can't wait to shoot some holes in that. :)

[ElAurens]

I just hope that the visual damage model actually shows steam escaping from bullet holes in the boiler, as it should.

[Skarphol]

Fantastic models, Foo'bar!
Reminds me of my Märklin model railway I built all over my sisters room when she moved out of my parents home when I was 12. Built a huge scenery wich my parents let be up for allmost a year.

Has Oleg come up with a deadline for when he needs this models finished from you?

Skarphol

[Foo'bar]

Has Oleg come up with a deadline for when he needs this models finished from you?

Yes. The G8 has to be finished early february latest. But not all of my models will go into initial release. Most of them will come later.

[Foo'bar]

The 040.D locomotive with 16.C tender has almost been finished thanks to the help af many community members :) Looking forward to perforate this one, a second version with full black skin will follow:

http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/040D_44.jpg

[Zappatime]

Awesome looking model, youre putting Railworks to shame.:eek: Will UK trains be in SOW's initial release, can you say?

[Foo'bar]

Awesome looking model, youre putting Railworks to shame.:eek: Will UK trains be in SOW's initial release, can you say?

There have several UK train screenshots been published by Maddox in the past. Please check my blog to see them:
http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/category/computerspiele/storm-of-war-computerspiele/screenshots/page/3/

[Skarphol]

Your collection of official pictures are realy nice to browse through, Foo'bar!
Looking at 5 years of development I'm really amazed by the diversity in both planes, vehichles, trains and objects that has been produced for this game. I'm really looking forward to more screenshots of these things coming together, interacting with eachother and the landscape and the elements... it's going to be fantastic.

Skarphol

[Skoshi Tiger]

Yes. The G8 has to be finished early february latest. But not all of my models will go into initial release. Most of them will come later.

I must have missed this post. I hope I'm not reading too much into it.

But if content from a third party, need to be in by February It sort of shows that BoB is at a stage where things are comming together.

Reading your post has sent a wave of excitement through me like few other updates.

The level detail that you have put into your models is fantastic and shows skill and dedication.

Thankyou.

[major_setback]

Just out of interest - is it totally completed including the damage model and different levels of detail?

[Foo'bar]

DM and LODs comes as next.

[major_setback]

DM and LODs comes as next.

Thanks for the reply!

It looks remarkable. I like the very high standard of your models.

I always look forward to seeing your own updates. For a long time they were all we got to see of any type of game development.



Keep up the good work :-)

:-)

[ElAurens]

I know it's totally out of context for the war in Europe but I'd love to see your modeling of the 1936 New York Central 20th. Century Limited J3A Hudson, and it's train set.

That's how impressed I am with your work sir.

http://http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/57/nyc20thcenturyltd800.jpg

These locos regulaly ran at 100+ mph across Northern Ohio on their way from New York City to Chicago.

[Aviar]

Wouldn't it be cool if we could add our own custom train car skins just like we can now with plane skins?

Aviar

[Foo'bar]

Wouldn't it be cool if we could add our own custom train car skins just like we can now with plane skins?

Aviar

Will be afiak.

[Foo'bar]

I know it's totally out of context for the war in Europe but I'd love to see your modeling of the 1936 New York Central 20th. Century Limited J3A Hudson, and it's train set.

That's how impressed I am with your work sir.

http://http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/57/nyc20thcenturyltd800.jpg

These locos regulaly ran at 100+ mph across Northern Ohio on their way from New York City to Chicago.

One steamer, a tender and several different coach cars means about one year work for me. In my next life I will be glad to fulfill your desire ;) In addition I have the problem that I know almost nothing about U.S. trains compared to german ones.

Thank you for the warm words, mate :)