"Battle for Europe" Competition (PS3 SIM Players) "Year: 1946"

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

LOL, the coke one is good xD

[edal86]

So what do you guys think about the Tournament so far? What problems have you encountered? What do you guys like?

By the way, today was the first time we were able to have 5vs5 matches :)
**** looks like from 12pm-4pm pacific time is the time to log in for games :) *****

[STINGERSIX78]

tournament is great !!

THX FOR YOUR WORK !!!

but... unlimited ammo ?????????

[kozzm0]

I don't know if they sent you the shots from the last one, or if they took them both, but judging from the first few results, it seems pretty much impossible for a territory capture to occur by victories unless one team wins 6-0. Since it averages about 30 deaths per match.

So that if both sides win at least one, there's not much point even bothering with the airfields anymore, since it becomes all about casualties. Kind of defeats the mode.

[haitch40]

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/2856169/CCCP+_piccolo.jpg

cocca cola is an american company they do not assosiate with your kind :D

[Steyr_amr]

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae215/steyr_amr/communism_its_a_party.jpg

Now this is the kind of socialism I can get behind.

[Spitfire23]

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae215/steyr_amr/communism_its_a_party.jpg

Now this is the kind of socialism I can get behind.

Haha thats great!

[edal86]

I don't know if they sent you the shots from the last one, or if they took them both, but judging from the first few results, it seems pretty much impossible for a territory capture to occur by victories unless one team wins 6-0. Since it averages about 30 deaths per match.

So that if both sides win at least one, there's not much point even bothering with the airfields anymore, since it becomes all about casualties. Kind of defeats the mode.

you are not looking ahead, remember this week is is different, next week many things will come into play, air superiority (%25 manpower decrease), Strategic Bombing (if successful it allows a team to only have to win 4 matches compared to the enemy having to win 6).

This is a special case because Italy started as Neutral. I think you may have to re-read the rules. Everything is explained, I spent a long time on these rules and made sure that everything had a purpose. The entire system is like a cycle, everything is codependent.

You worry to soon my friend.

*** I sent you the updated results, by late Saturday I think we will have all briefings complete, I will post your teams ranks so you guys can start organizing yourselves for next week's briefings.

[haitch40]

ok im sorry to keep bugging but i have to know
what are we doing with korsun i still have no idea

[kozzm0]

ok im sorry to keep bugging but i have to know
what are we doing with korsun i still have no idea


what are you doing in Korsun? Korsun is Soviet territory not UK territory. You are now prisoner of war.

Any other pilot wants to wander into Korsun and become prisoner?

[kozzm0]

you are not looking ahead, remember this week is is different, next week many things will come into play, air superiority (%25 manpower decrease), Strategic Bombing (if successful it allows a team to only have to win 4 matches compared to the enemy having to win 6).

This is a special case because Italy started as Neutral. I think you may have to re-read the rules. Everything is explained, I spent a long time on these rules and made sure that everything had a purpose. The entire system is like a cycle, everything is codependent.

You worry to soon my friend.

*** I sent you the updated results, by late Saturday I think we will have all briefings complete, I will post your teams ranks so you guys can start organizing yourselves for next week's briefings.

<> edit: another day of 7 VVS and no RAF players as of 1:30 pm pacific... europeans can't keep staying up so late



no, I'm just talking about this week. That deaths averaged around 30 is an unforeseen circumstance. Since neither side is the defender, it makes it pretty unlikely for either side to win by mission victories. But I guess it's too late to fix that now.

[edal86]

<> edit: another day of 7 VVS and no RAF players as of 1:30 pm pacific... europeans can't keep staying up so late



no, I'm just talking about this week. That deaths averaged around 30 is an unforeseen circumstance. Since neither side is the defender, it makes it pretty unlikely for either side to win by mission victories. But I guess it's too late to fix that now.

Dont know, but I think what you are asking can be answered on the Mission Objective Description. Send me screenshots, will update everything when I return from work.

[kozzm0]

Dont know, but I think what you are asking can be answered on the Mission Objective Description. Send me screenshots, will update everything when I return from work.

screenshots sent... I know it won't affect future weeks, more of a problem that could have happened this week but didn't

hopefully you don't have to work during the day tomorrow, team UK tends to show up at the same time as you

[edal86]

screenshots sent... I know it won't affect future weeks, more of a problem that could have happened this week but didn't

hopefully you don't have to work during the day tomorrow, team UK tends to show up at the same time as you

Got them Thanks.

Attention Both teams:

Please try to be online Saturday (1/16/10) from 12pm to 4pm (pacific Time). Lets get these Briefings over with :)

[Spitfire23]

Got them Thanks.

Attention Both teams:

Please try to be online Saturday (1/16/10) from 12pm to 4pm (pacific Time). Lets get these Briefings over with :)

Hey edal just to let you know incase you wonder where i am, i will be away for the weekend and coming back sunday.

Sorry and Good luck

[haitch40]

Got them Thanks.

Attention Both teams:

Please try to be online Saturday (1/16/10) from 12pm to 4pm (pacific Time). Lets get these Briefings over with :)

ahh man if it was 12pm to 4pm gmt id be there but pacific time its just too late
remember the time differance is so great that pearl harbour happaned 8am pacific time it was about 5pm here

[haitch40]

what are you doing in Korsun? Korsun is Soviet territory not UK territory. You are now prisoner of war.

Any other pilot wants to wander into Korsun and become prisoner?

i was meerly healping your farmers as you merged all the farms into one and made them state owned u evil people.
seriously though as a pow i will tell u nothing

[P-51]

ahh man if it was 12pm to 4pm gmt id be there but pacific time its just too late
remember the time differance is so great that pearl harbour happaned 8am pacific time it was about 5pm here

Edal, I probably won't be on as you only get on at 8 (gmt) and Finnish at midnight. I can't make it.. To be anywhere close to me making it you would need to be at least 4 hours earlier!

[jimhaze4evr]

test

[trk29]

I want to say I apologize for not being able to play in this tourny yet. I don't know how much I will be able to fly. Here lately I have been very busy at work and the lack of posts on the forum are evidence to that. Hopefully I will be able to play soon. If not Edal let me know I will withdraw if need be.

[kozzm0]

I want to say I apologize for not being able to play in this tourny yet. I don't know how much I will be able to fly. Here lately I have been very busy at work and the lack of posts on the forum are evidence to that. Hopefully I will be able to play soon. If not Edal let me know I will withdraw if need be.

don't worry about it, team ussr has had to rotate players in most of the matches.

hey, you got any graphic arts skill? We need a banner for the Red Devils flight.

[trk29]

don't worry about it, team ussr has had to rotate players in most of the matches.

hey, you got any graphic arts skill? We need a banner for the Red Devils flight.

I did have to leave a match the other day because it wasn't even and I didn't have a problem with that.

I thought I read somewhere that the guy that made the other one would be willing to do ours as well? I don't think I could make one as good as the other flight.

[P-51]

I did have to leave a match the other day because it wasn't even and I didn't have a problem with that.

I thought I read somewhere that the guy that made the other one would be willing to do ours as well? I don't think I could make one as good as the other flight.

It's got to be better than the attempts I made so far!

[winny]

I did have to leave a match the other day because it wasn't even and I didn't have a problem with that.

I thought I read somewhere that the guy that made the other one would be willing to do ours as well? I don't think I could make one as good as the other flight.


It was me and I'll do one if you want.. I just need to know what aircraft you'd like on it, what the squadron name is and the PSN ID's of the players..

I'll do it later today.

[trk29]

It was me and I'll do one if you want.. I just need to know what aircraft you'd like on it, what the squadron name is and the PSN ID's of the players..

I'll do it later today.

Spitfire for me ofcourse :grin: I can't speak on behalf of the others though.

Thanks.

[P-51]

It was me and I'll do one if you want.. I just need to know what aircraft you'd like on it, what the squadron name is and the PSN ID's of the players..

I'll do it later today.

Ooh wouldn't mind a BF109 F4 :D but I'll check with others!

[winny]

Ok, I've just been doing one Sig per flight anyway so I'll do you a spit one.

I'll look at the list to see who's in there with you, I'll post when it's done. (I'm going to use the same spit that's in your sig).

[winny]

I've just realised you're russians! You sure you want a Spit on there?

I've done one for Seyr_amr (a personal one) and I've also done the russian LA7 one..

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz147/winistrone/Sigs/steyrcopy.jpg

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz147/winistrone/RRsquadron.jpg

See what you guys think.

[P-51]

I've just realised you're russians! You sure you want a Spit on there?

I've done one for Seyr_amr (a personal one) and I've also done the russian LA7 one..

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz147/winistrone/Sigs/steyrcopy.jpg

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz147/winistrone/RRsquadron.jpg

See what you guys think.

I like the text, if it's possable to use that in the format of the La7 one then that would be great! I can't remember if we came up with a name so I'll check.

[irrelevant]

I want to say I apologize for not being able to play in this tourny yet. I don't know how much I will be able to fly. Here lately I have been very busy at work and the lack of posts on the forum are evidence to that. Hopefully I will be able to play soon. If not Edal let me know I will withdraw if need be.

i'm in the same boat as trk29 lately. i'm really sorry guys, but life has taken priority lately. work is insanely busy, not to mention a load of plans outside of work. i'm slightly worried that i won't offer much of a contribution to this tournament. i simply don't have the time.

hopefully things turn around and i'll be able to join you in the skies.

[haitch40]

right now im pissed
just about to start tourny match and i dissconect from psn
of all the times it could of happend
then when i logged back in they had started

[edal86]

Thanks for all those who participated this Inauguration Week. Thanks for helping me celebrate my B-day, even though, I cant think of a worst scenario to put my self (P-51s vs BF109s, with P51s outnumbered lol). Any how, it was great fun.

Alright guys, well this week is almost over. So far it seems like UK will win the Air Superiority Mission over Sicily, but the USSR will capture its territory (unless a miracle happens lol)

Good Games, please post any problems that you think need attention.

Problems noticed: CTA matches need to be played on 2 airfields. UK players need to login in more often :)

[STINGERSIX78]

russia captured italy?

[P-51]

Thanks for all those who participated this Inauguration Week. Thanks for helping me celebrate my B-day, even though, I cant think of a worst scenario to put my self (P-51s vs BF109s, with P51s outnumbered lol). Any how, it was great fun.

Alright guys, well this week is almost over. So far it seems like UK will win the Air Superiority Mission over Sicily, but the USSR will capture its territory (unless a miracle happens lol)

Good Games, please post any problems that you think need attention.

Problems noticed: CTA matches need to be played on 2 airfields. UK players need to login in more often :)

great first week! I'm not sure how you can take a ground target without air superiority but hey!
There deffinately needs to be more uk players on! All o have seen is you, Gaz, amr, haitch and errr that's it I think?

[kozzm0]

Alright guys, well this week is almost over. So far it seems like UK will win the Air Superiority Mission over Sicily, but the USSR will capture its territory (unless a miracle happens lol)

Problems noticed: CTA matches need to be played on 2 airfields. UK players need to login in more often :)

Airfield matches should always be played on 2 fields, yes. Otherwise the airfield disappears in a haze of smoke.

What happens if neither side reaches the 200-point goal before the week ends? We're within striking distance in air superiority, but with airfields we just need to run out the clock basically. Since we have been ready for matches most of the time, it wouldn't be right for either mode to work against us by not being completed.

let's complete the missions before starting week 2.

btw we're online at time of this post, if you want to finish this up.

[trk29]

Ok, I've just been doing one Sig per flight anyway so I'll do you a spit one.

I'll look at the list to see who's in there with you, I'll post when it's done. (I'm going to use the same spit that's in your sig).

You are right, my favorite russian plane would be the Yak-3 so that would work. Thanks

[InfiniteStates]

There deffinately needs to be more uk players on! All o have seen is you, Gaz, amr, haitch and errr that's it I think?
I doubt I speak for others, but personally I'm not having much fun so far with this. I just don't feel the balance is there - the USSR team are obviously all really keen, and really good, and they have LAs.

It gets quite tedious being shot down for the umpteenth time trying to get angles on one by another that flew past you in the opposite direction 2 seconds ago.

Or trying to land my Spitfire at 200 whatever units I have, only to have it spin round and roll onto a wing or tip onto its nose. That is if it doesn't get insta-killed first.

It seems that every single game I've been in ends with double or triple UK deaths to the USSR. It would be fine now and then but wears thin quickly. I did actually come on to retire from the tournament, but don't think I want to go quite that far just yet... But maybe that's why the UK team are somewhat less keen than the USSR...?



(Disclaimer: getting made redundant on Friday probably isn't helping my state of mind towards getting hammered over and over. Sorry)

[kozzm0]

I doubt I speak for others, but personally I'm not having much fun so far with this. I just don't feel the balance is there - the USSR team are obviously all really keen, and really good, and they have LAs.

It gets quite tedious being shot down for the umpteenth time trying to get angles on one by another that flew past you in the opposite direction 2 seconds ago.

Or trying to land my Spitfire at 200 whatever units I have, only to have it spin round and roll onto a wing or tip onto its nose. That is if it doesn't get insta-killed first.

It seems that every single game I've been in ends with double or triple UK deaths to the USSR. It would be fine now and then but wears thin quickly. I did actually come on to retire from the tournament, but don't think I want to go quite that far just yet... But maybe that's why the UK team are somewhat less keen than the USSR...?



(Disclaimer: getting made redundant on Friday probably isn't helping my state of mind towards getting hammered over and over. Sorry)

you guys do have 3 of the semifinalists from the AoA tournament, most of your matches have involved at least 2 of the 3. Your team is loaded with talent, don't give up plz

screenshots pending edal... we played a few more but I don't think it's all gonna be finished by tomorrow, it's already 2am in Europe. 3-day weekend here but idn if they have mlk-day there.

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

I think some kind of schedule should be agreed on when specific matches will be played to ensure numbers turn up. atm, the USSR just sits around waiting for 2/3 UK players to turn up.

[edal86]

To all players,

I always say this about all the competitions that I have created and I will repeat it. MY MAIN INTENTION FOR THIS TOURNAMENT IS SO THAT WE CAN ALL HAVE FUN!!

Yes, the objective is to win but not at the cost of discriminating players for their lack of skills. Teams are meant to be leaderless, I am not dictator of UK team, Kozzmo is not dictator of USSR team. Dont see us that way, we can not tell you "you cant play, or you can". What makes us "special" is that we are the first to have access to updated information about the tournament's status and we draft new players, that is it.

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Inauguration Week is Officially over

** Updated report is now on first page, post # 1&2 (Rules were changed to post #3)

[edal86]

Based on participation and other factors observed from this inauguration week I am thinking of changing a few things:

1. First team to submit attack plans are not forced to reveal what Hangar they will choose before 6pm, however, they must submit this info by 11:59pm of the same day. All other information will still follow the rules. Also, minimum % of manpower sent to attack or defend Territory Capture will now be at least 40% instead of 50%.

2. Two Airfields for all CTA matches, if territory is UK's then matches will be in British Map. Same goes for USSR.

3. Number of CTA wins will change to 3 (for attacker if the territory has been successfully bombed), 4 wins (for defenders to win mission), 5 wins (for attackers that have not successfully bombed the territory)

4. Number of ground targets that need to be destroyed for Strategic Bombing success will now be 4 (each ground target destroyed will equal 125 resources from territory's income)

5. A team may surrender a mission if they think necessary so that they can spare loss of manpower. This must be posted on the tournament's thread for everyone to see, and also submitted to me, or to you in case we are the ones to surrender a Mission.

6. Each bomber death will = 3 deaths instead of 5.

7. A reported ramming of a bomber by a fighter plane will result in the player being demoted 1 rank and suspended for 1 day. If reported as accidental, the player will be suspended the rest of that day only.

8. All officers may host or accept any mission (it will be too confusing I now realize, to follow my original idea for this)

[fangface666]

I doubt I speak for others, but personally I'm not having much fun so far with this. I just don't feel the balance is there - the USSR team are obviously all really keen, and really good, and they have LAs.

It gets quite tedious being shot down for the umpteenth time trying to get angles on one by another that flew past you in the opposite direction 2 seconds ago.

Or trying to land my Spitfire at 200 whatever units I have, only to have it spin round and roll onto a wing or tip onto its nose. That is if it doesn't get insta-killed first.

It seems that every single game I've been in ends with double or triple UK deaths to the USSR. It would be fine now and then but wears thin quickly. I did actually come on to retire from the tournament, but don't think I want to go quite that far just yet... But maybe that's why the UK team are somewhat less keen than the USSR...?



(Disclaimer: getting made redundant on Friday probably isn't helping my state of mind towards getting hammered over and over. Sorry)

I feel your pain buddy, I'm the same.

I haven't played a single game yet for team USSR as I'm so shite my kill/death ratio would let the side down big time, and theres no point playing if your not having fun and spend the entire game just running away from everything, Monty python anyone?.... "run away!"

The really annoying part about it is that there is no consistency, one night last week I actually had fun with Varcus, Olife, Macademic and another french player.

I even managed to get a few kills, and all this with a wafty control setup (turned on another controller so the throttle remapped itself over the top of my rudder, pc joystick setup) so the following night I had high hopes I may have improved slighty combined with a properly setup controller, but when I entered a random team battle game against my fellow USSR teamates I soon came crashing back to earth...both literally and mentally.....14 deaths to 1 kill, only cos someone flew through my stream of bullets as I was fruitlessly wasting ammo trying to hit someone else!!

Hope you get another job soon bud.:grin:

[kozzm0]

Those are good changes, but the biggest problem is still that the rules are so Byzantine that only their author can bear them all in mind at once. Even the briefings constantly have to be referred back to.

There needs to be some kind of team penalty for failing to play enough matches. Why would a team need to surrender a mission objective when all it has to do is stop showing up?

It's also pretty unrealistic to expect the ranks listed to see this thread, figure out the rules, form a strategy and PSN it to you, all within 12 hours. There's just not that much activity on this site. Most of the players are far too laid-back for that.

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

Really sorry for being inactive guys... REal life has kinda taken over. I go to school 4 days a week, and have had many unexpected things pop up... I'll be active ASAP, but I'm worried that I'll make obligations for a match, only to find out 5 minutes before it starts that I can't be there...

[trueshotcaller]

Hey my fellow comrades,

I regret to inform you that I won't be able to play in the tourney... please replace me with someone else in my squad. I was really looking forward to flying with you guys, but it will have to wait until sometime in the future, if that's okay....

[edal86]

Follow the Briefings, write them down if needed (kozzmo, you seem to be managing USSR team, so why not decide the missions for them already. Mirgervin never vistis this forum). Between you and the other USSR players that do participate figure this out.

I manage to do all this organization and keep on schedule, why cant you guys if all you need to do is read what to do 1 time per week????

* I have changed what ranks work for because it would be too "confusing" for you guys to follow my original idea. Dont know what else to do to make this simple.

* All you guys need to do is look at the Briefings 1 time per week, and at the end of a week, get together with your team to set the plans for the next Briefing.

*** Too many people are not enjoying this because it is becoming a "WIN, WIN!!!" focus on the part of USSR team, let players participate kozzmo, why only send your best? Macademic was online last time and reaper1526 and they never participated in those Air SUperiority Matches (only you, Mirgervin, tagemandbagem). However, you take on 2 of my beginner players and then you guys mock them for not wanting to play more? Many times I asked you to play me and someone else a 2vs2 Air Superiority match, you preferred the Y-29 mission. So, it is not our fault you did not have enough time to beat us.

** To all, follow the BRIEFING RULES. I am not interested in continuing this tournament if people are not having fun or are not given the opportunity to do so.

(sorry if this offends any one, but I am spending a considerable amount of time on this and I am beginning to think it is not worth it)

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I will cancel this Tournament if necessary, otherwise, ready up for week 1!
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[edal86]

Thanks Kozzmo,
(just read your plans)
We are now working on the defense. I will post week1 Briefings before tuesday, as soon as you guys see them posted you may begin the matches.

The objective to capture Italy was to either kill all sent manpower or reach 6 wins (since it was inaguration week and the Territory started neutral, the team with the most amount of wins or least amount of deaths would win)

So, USSR owns Italy's Territory.

[kozzm0]

Macademic was online last time and reaper1526 and they never participated in those Air SUperiority Matches (only you, Mirgervin, tagemandbagem). However, you take on 2 of my beginner players and then you guys mock them for not wanting to play more?



Last time Mac was on, he had just moved from Moscow to Malta and forgot to bring his game disc with him, so he couldn't play, otherwise he would have.

Reaper did play in the earlier matches. He would have been in the last air sup matches but he logged off. So we rotated who we had on hand.

USSR players who played last week:

me
reaper
mirg
macademic
tagemandbagem
stingersix
varcus
olife

every one of us played more than once.

since this is about fun, stop and take notice which team is having fun, don't blame us for being competitive. It's a game, but it's a WAR game.

only one I can think of offhand who was available at a match time but didn't make it in was philabong, and I am keeping that in mind for next time he shows up.

Many times I asked you to play me and someone else a 2vs2 Air Superiority match, you preferred the Y-29 mission. So, it is not our fault you did not have enough time to beat us.

This happened once, when there was still plenty of time left, and I had 4 people online and ready. Or did you not really mean that about letting everyone play in matches? You had only time for a 10 min match, then you were off to work.

as for jimhaze and winny, they fought bravely and did well. Nobody's mocking them. It's just a shame there weren't enough matches to see each mission to a decisive objective-complete, and would be in the future too.

this is all last week though, the only reason to mention any of it is to improve the upcoming week.

[edal86]

New Briefings Ready!

Good luck to all

[STINGERSIX78]

briefing.

there should be exist a little story.

week 1, attacker ussr decided to get the a.s. over italy and bombing the ardennes for future operations...
something like that ^^

[edal86]

* I will not dedicate as much time to this Tournament as before. I will still keep on schedule with everything, I will update your signatures now 1 or 2 times per week only. I will still be recording everything and posting new briefings.

* I will not abandon it what so ever, but I just wont be as dedicated to it as I have been. If you have any questions I am sure kozzmo and others will be able to answer them.

* If you see me online I will be happy to accept any mission challenge still so dont worry.

* Dont let this be a let down RAF airmen, we will win!

[STINGERSIX78]

keep on fighting !! to defend italy would be hard for us.
to get the air superiority also...

[Rhah]

keep on fighting !! to defend italy would be hard for us.
to get the air superiority also...

I'm hoping that some of you VVS guys will be online Wednesday around 10pm GMT. I haven't flown a match yet, and I can't challenge because I'm not an officer :(

[kozzm0]

I'm hoping that some of you VVS guys will be online Wednesday around 10pm GMT. I haven't flown a match yet, and I can't challenge because I'm not an officer :(

saw you online a couple times, I think we either sent you invites or maybe you logged off before we could

edal was the air sup score 162-160 as you reported before... I had counted 161-158. Is that the typo you were talking about in that PM?

team VVS: plz unlock the b-17 before starting any bombing missions. We have to destroy the targets, not just damage them and win the rounds.

[Rhah]

saw you online a couple times, I think we either sent you invites or maybe you logged off before we could

edal was the air sup score 162-160 as you reported before... I had counted 161-158. Is that the typo you were talking about in that PM?

team VVS: plz unlock the b-17 before starting any bombing missions. We have to destroy the targets, not just damage them and win the rounds.

I don't remember receiving any invites, so I must have gone off line before you could send them. I'll be on tomorrow night about 10pm GMT, but I can't accept missions, so please contact one of the RAF brass if they are online and hopefully I'll be able to get in to a game that way.

I'll look forward to shooting up those B17's you mentioned :grin:

[STINGERSIX78]

i think, we should have a fixed time for the tournament. i spent today 6h in standby. train, play a couple of fun matches, wait. an now im so tired, i wouldnt hit a zeppelin. ^^
if we have a fixed time, i could sleep a few hours before and after a tournament match.

http://ohwhatthehell.com/Military/Images/planesleeping.jpg

[kozzm0]

I don't remember receiving any invites, so I must have gone off line before you could send them. I'll be on tomorrow night about 10pm GMT, but I can't accept missions, so please contact one of the RAF brass if they are online and hopefully I'll be able to get in to a game that way.

I'll look forward to shooting up those B17's you mentioned :grin:

You better shoot fast, cause it doesn't take long to cross the Ardennes map, and once 2 of them make it across, the targets are history

It is also rain maps this week, you may need x-ray vision to aim.

I will be starting earlier these next few days, around 4pm gmt, I have to work at 10pm gmt but there are usually plenty of us on at the time. In fact, that's usually around when Mirgervin shows up, though he was there earlier today, so don't count on a Mirgervin-less enemy if you sign in before 10. Reaper also tends to show up earlier, and macademic, and there will probably be some of us on till 1 or 2 am. That's why I'm trying to start earlier

[Rhah]

You better shoot fast, cause it doesn't take long to cross the Ardennes map, and once 2 of them make it across, the targets are history

It is also rain maps this week, you may need x-ray vision to aim.

I will be starting earlier these next few days, around 4pm gmt, I have to work at 10pm gmt but there are usually plenty of us on at the time. In fact, that's usually around when Mirgervin shows up, though he was there earlier today, so don't count on a Mirgervin-less enemy if you sign in before 10. Reaper also tends to show up earlier, and macademic, and there will probably be some of us on till 1 or 2 am. That's why I'm trying to start earlier

Damn, I was actually really hoping for a Mirgervin-less enemy!! Maybe he'll choose to fly one of your B17 shaped rocket magnets? :-P
Mirgervin or no Mirgervin, I'll look forward to it. I'll be on straight after watching Spurs hammer Liverpool, so more or less 10pm exactly.
Shame you can't make it though. 4pm Gmt is far too early for me, as I don't finish work till 6pm.

[rommhan]

wow! this setup is very impressive! another reason for me to buy this game :grin:

i just hope you guys are still around to when i get used to the game!

[MACADEMIC]

* I will not dedicate as much time to this Tournament as before.

Hi Edal,

I hope your decision is not based on the fact that there has been some critisicm over the rules, which are complex but make sense from my point of view. Of course, a few things need to be finetuned, but in general I find the whole storyline and gameplay a very impressive piece of work.

On the other hand, I'd understand if you'd pull back a little since it must have been a huge effort to create all this.

Respect and Thanks!

Best,

MACADEMIC

[STINGERSIX78]

+1

[rommhan]

well after reading almost all 50 something pages of this thread, i cant wait to buy the game, spend some time on single player and get right into this battle for europe.

edal, dont give up just yet. it just sounds like you got a false start at the gates. tighten up the ship a bit, drop the inactive players, modify the rules a bit and tweak whatever needs tweaking and off to the races.

question though: when are you guys mostly on? i'm gmt +4 so i'm kind of worried that i wont catch most of you on the psn.

if you're still thinking about hanging on to this idea, just consider me as reserves until i get my wings. :) shouldnt be long though.


my wife is going to kill me

[Rhah]

well after reading almost all 50 something pages of this thread, i cant wait to buy the game, spend some time on single player and get right into this battle for europe.

edal, dont give up just yet. it just sounds like you got a false start at the gates. tighten up the ship a bit, drop the inactive players, modify the rules a bit and tweak whatever needs tweaking and off to the races.

question though: when are you guys mostly on? i'm gmt +4 so i'm kind of worried that i wont catch most of you on the psn.

if you're still thinking about hanging on to this idea, just consider me as reserves until i get my wings. :) shouldnt be long though.


my wife is going to kill me

Dont worry about your timezone.. our community is worldwide (although there does seem to be an abundance of Brits for some reason).
GMT+4 is the US East coast right? There are loads of North American players here, so you'll be able to hook up with them easy enough. Plus, a lot of us Brits and Europeans play till quite late, so you'll probably run into us too. Just remember to add as many players from here to your friends list as you can, when you get a copy of the game.

And good luck with the wife. I bought my missus a Nintendo DS for Christmas, and thats kept her quite happy. buying one for your wife could be a good investment!

Anyway, hopefully this tournament will carry on, as its what we need to galvanise the online community. I guess we'll see what happens this week!

[STINGERSIX78]

sims 2 for ps2 works also...

[STINGERSIX78]

good fights last night. very funny.

[edal86]

Guys, like I said. As long as you guys keep participating, I will keep on schedule. However, I cant dedicate as much time as before (work, and school wont permit) but I will dedicate the necessary amount of time needed to keep this running. Keep playing, and keep sending those screenshots.

* To the new participant, as soon as you get the game and want to join just let us know by posting.


************************************************** **********************
About Strike Mode:

I read that the ground targets are easier to destroy then what I expected.
* I tested this with a B-17G some time ago, and since I was able to destroy only 2 targets with about 4 loads of bombs (all bombs were direct hit), that is why I decided that destroying 4 targets would be fair. However, I read that with a single B-17 pass the USSR was able to destroy 5 ground targets??
* can anyone confirm this??? I may need to change these settings.

[STINGERSIX78]

i have destroyed all targets in less than 12min.
our british comrades weren't not able to shoot me down BEFORE i dropped the bombs.
because, im hiding in the clouds till i reached the target.
only in the landing approaches they got me. or if im standing on the ground, to make the screenshot.
damn, haitch, that was close... ^^
4 attempts later, all enemy tickets and 12 ground targets were gone.
seems to be very unfair. :(

[kozzm0]

that the b17 will destroy the targets is pretty much a foregone conclusion. It would be fair enough to set it back to 10 and make each worth 50.

RAF team it seems like you're morale is low. You're situation isn't all that bad

[STINGERSIX78]

after a training tonight, me and mirgervin will be best buddies ever ... :)
unbelievable,....
stingersix kill mirgervin
mirgervin kill stingersix
stingersix killmirgervin
mirgervin kill stingersix
etc...
epic games

http://images.truffleshuffle.co.uk/store/images/thumb_cache/kids_spongebob_best_buddies_t_shirt_spike_220_220_ 180_76.jpg

[DH1979]

after a training tonight, me and mirgervin will be best buddies ever ... :)
unbelievable,....
stingersix kill mirgervin
mirgervin kill stingersix
stingersix killmirgervin
mirgervin kill stingersix
etc...
epic games

http://images.truffleshuffle.co.uk/store/images/thumb_cache/kids_spongebob_best_buddies_t_shirt_spike_220_220_ 180_76.jpg

yes Stinger great games bro, still cant belive Mirgervin got that hatrick of kills in space of 5 seconds, true ace. You got some great kills 2, your getin quite a handfull with your BnZ tatics, well played Olife Macademic & Vacus aswell great flying.PSN Dinho28

[STINGERSIX78]

the hattrick was great...
BAMM,BAMMM,BAMMMMM....
amazing..... ^^

[STINGERSIX78]

HEY, BRITISH COMRADES....

HERE IS A TIP....

if you play together, at the same time, u will rape us...

maybe, the ussr-team haven't the best players, but we have a great moral !!

and we are talk to each other.
thats the only secret.

btw....
u are still in lead, with your airsuperiority over italy...

so, COME ON. move your ass.




or we will accept YOUR SURRENDER !! ^^http://philippine-defenders.lib.wv.us/Images/Surrender/Adm_Nimitz_surrender_jpg.jpg

[STINGERSIX78]

britain surrendering.....

http://www.bergenbelsen.co.uk/images/Content/Photos/Timeline/Surrender/Surrender_BU_005222.jpg

[STINGERSIX78]

for the facts....

after wwII,germany signed only a ceasefire.

never a peace treaty....

law de jure, (Haager Landkriegsordnung,later known as *Genfer Konventionen*), the germans are still at war !!!!

repeat....
we had never signed a peace contract.....

^^


thats real history

[Rhah]

Here's what we think of your attempt to get us to surrender! :grin:

http://www.balder.org/judea/billeder-judea/Winston-Churchill-V-Sign.jpg


Great games last night. Its a shame we couldn't have gotten a few more RAF guys online to make it an official tournament match. Then again, if we had then Mirgervin would have been on the VVS side, and it might have gone very differently...

[DH1979]

Here's what we think of your attempt to get us to surrender! :grin:

http://www.balder.org/judea/billeder-judea/Winston-Churchill-V-Sign.jpg


Great games last night. Its a shame we couldn't have gotten a few more RAF guys online to make it an official tournament match. Then again, if we had then Mirgervin would have been on the VVS side, and it might have gone very differently...

Good reply Rhah, made me lol, "we shall never surrender, we will fight in our armchairs, we will fight with sixaxis controlers & joysticks.. & we'll never give in. Nice flying last night Rhah i wont pick a german plane 2 fight against you again cos you tore me up lol.

[olife]

yes Stinger great games bro, still cant belive Mirgervin got that hatrick of kills in space of 5 seconds, true ace. You got some great kills 2, your getin quite a handfull with your BnZ tatics, well played Olife Macademic & Vacus aswell great flying.PSN Dinho28

YEEEEES!!!!!!!very nice dogfights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!really great!!!!!!!!my poor ass of french was badly damaged!!!!!u guys a withe sharks pack!!!
it was really very good to fly with u guys
thanks a lot buddies!!!
finished the night games with macademic ,we fight during 1 hour or maybe more in 1 vs 1 dogfight in cockpit view!!!!mac u are too good for me in cockpit view!!gooooood game bud!!!
good game varcus,philabong,macademic mirgervin,dinoh,stingersix,rhah and for all the others players!!!!

[STINGERSIX78]

tonight i will not able to play.
family-day ^^

cu on saturday...

[olife]

tonight i will not able to play.
family-day ^^

cu on saturday...

no probs bud,family first
have a good family day
c u saturday

[Rhah]

Lets see if we can get some tournament matches going during Saturday. Who can make it?

[kozzm0]

Saturday is the second-to-last day. We've gotta do some Friday or none of the modes will be finished by Sunday.

We've got 4 ready as of right now... always a few team USSR online. I don't have to work today either, least not until late if at all

[P-51]

Saturday is the second-to-last day. We've gotta do some Friday or none of the modes will be finished by Sunday.

We've got 4 ready as of right now... always a few team USSR online. I don't have to work today either, least not until late if at all

I'm on every night.. I'm getting a little pissed at the lack of things to shoot down...

[kozzm0]

on for 9 hours straight on friday starting 7pm gmt. A few RAF players showed up, but not more than 1 at a time, or the 2nd wouldn't or couldn't play.

Finishing either territorial capture or air superiority by sunday is gonna be nearly impossible at this rate. Only the bombing can be decided in 1 or 2 matches.

If you guys don't want to try to capture Italy, we can just go ahead and rename it И.С.С.Р. (the Italian Soviet Socialist Republic). :)

[Mage_016]

i think this tourny is a good try, but impossible to keep running smooth. It takes all the fun out of the game now because you have to wait your opponents and have to be so well organized. It doesn´t matter which side you´re on. This is my opinion at the moment. I know I´m one of the guys who have not been around. I´m quite busy with my family and with my work now. And with this big tourny I know I´m not the only one. I have lack of time to play, so I don´t want to be just waiting till if someone of our opponent´s will appear. Something or everything has to be changed to keep this tourny on. Mix whole teams maybe, reduce and simplify rules. Or something. I don´t know.

[MACADEMIC]

Finishing either territorial capture or air superiority by sunday is gonna be nearly impossible at this rate. Only the bombing can be decided in 1 or 2 matches.


The way I see it, if the British side doesn't defend its air superiority, CCCP will win it. If they're not getting out of their chairs to capture Italy, CCCP will keep it...

Nothing in the rules about it, but it would be unfair to consider our attempt to get air superiority as failed if we couldn't fight due to a lack of enemy participation.

[STINGERSIX78]

lets PLAY next week.
we have time... ^^

[edal86]

UK players: we had air superiority for all missions, this was supposed to be a walk in the park. However, the lack of participation will be our defeat. I already mentioned that I was not going to be able to play or check this forum as much as I have in the past. I had not been online for 4 days and that is why I could not participate, but for the rest of you that log in to PSN regularly, why are you not playing? If you guys prefer to play a different game is ok, but please let me know so I can cancel this tournament.

*** I will update the information I have and post it. Everything continues as scheduled. The team that performed the best on any given mission will win that mission.

mage,
Yes, I know. I feel that this tournament wont work unless I participate. I can no longer be after you guys so you will play. Take for instance, the Ace of Aces Tournament. That tournament has not ended yet :S.

************************************************** *****************
Sorry USSR guys, if you like you can re-organize teams and edit the rules a little to make them more simple for all to follow. I believe the rules are not the problem, though, because many did not even read them.

* This tournament can work only if the participants want it to work but the truth is that many dont care or cant play.
************************************************** ******************

Guys,
Please do me a favor and let me know, at least, if you wont participate anymore so I dont have to be spending my time in vain. Also, so USSR guys and others that do want to continue this can make decisions about the future of this tournament.
(Is there anyone who can take on the responsibility to manage this tournament? Having a leader on both teams is helpful to keep a team participating and informed.)

- copy my rules, you guys dont need all the visuals that I had to make this tournament enjoyable. (this does not mean that I am leaving the tournament. As I said before, if you guys keep playing I will keep it running, but if I keep getting the few results that I got today, then I would prefer to cancel it, someone else can pick this tournament on and start from scratch using my rules or what ever we already have)

***************************************
TO ALL THAT HAVE PARTICIPATED, THANK YOU!!
***************************************

[STINGERSIX78]

i think, the only problem is the lack off players.
maybe 2 people want to desert? ^^

[edal86]

* Sorry, I just went over the results. Since I saw, about 10 new messages with attachments I did not remember that that really meant 5 matches only (2 screenshots per game). Worst, 2 screenshots were repeats, so there was really a total of 4 matches played.

* I am posting now to announce that "Battle for Europe" is cancelled.
* If you guys wish to save this tournament please feel free to copy the rules and the participants that have played, and start a new thread. (I will be eliminating all photobucket images so please hurry.)

I want to thank the Following for Participating:

kozzmo (27 kills), Macademic (2 kills, 6 sorties), philabong2 (5 kills, 1 sortie), varcus (21 kills), olife (15 kills, 5 sorties), Mirgervin (69 kills), stingersix (25 kills), reaper1526 (23 kills), tagemandbagem (63 kills), mage_016 (4 kills, 1 sortie)

infinitestates (23 kills), haitch40 (3 kills, 2 sorties), hrok81 (3 kills, 2 sorties), subarugaz (42 kills), rhah (0 kills, 2 sorties), ezee63 (0 kills, 1 sorties), dihno28, (32 kills), winny1973 (2 kills, 4 sorties), whiterhino (4 kills, 1 sortie), steyr_amr (23 kills), jimhaze4ver (24 kills), docgonzo (1 kill, 3 sorties), edal (64 kills).

*** CLAIM YOUR PARTICIPATION PRIZE ***
* How? -
- First 4, that have been mentioned above for participating, to post that they want their prize will get the P-47 and the add-on missions (plus bonus).
- Please, if you already have the P-47 post this if you are interested in collecting your prize please post also.
- Prize Claim deadline is Thursday, January 28.

[STINGERSIX78]

STOP !
NO CHANCELING !!

pls wait for a day.

[edal86]

STOP !
NO CHANCELING !!

pls wait for a day.

sorry,
I know you were a loyal supporter my friend. You guys can pick new teams and start again, hopefully, you are more lucky then me. If I wait, I will only be waiting for a USSR victory due to a forfeit.

This week results:
Air Superiority: USSR won (13 deaths) UK (24 deaths) 3 matches played
Strategic Bombing: 1 match only (12 targets destroyed)
Territory Capture: zero matches???
Why continue? I am not mad about this, I just feel that this is pointless now.

* Decision is Final, I am sorry. To wait 1 day, or to wait 1 week, this wont make a difference. The solution is to start from scratch with new teams but I leave that decision to you guys now.

[STINGERSIX78]

stop moaning !!
keep fighting !!!

maybe the uk will get eager support till the evening...

[edal86]

stop moaning !!
keep fighting !!!

maybe the uk will get eager support till the evening...

You clearly dont understand what it takes to organize this and manage it. From a participant's perspective it is simple because all you need to do is play (this is why I was a little disappointed). However, it is difficult when you depend on others to be able to do what you have to. I have no more time for promises (undestand that I have dealt with them since the First Tournament that I created "Ace of Aces").

* Since the very beginning I asked for commitment. I knew this tournament would mean work for me, but I was willing to do this anyway, all I asked for was participation. No participation from you guys = no commitment from me. Why bother doing all this work for 4 matches? You all knew what to do. The first week had better results because I was constantly posting and contacting players to participate. I cant do this anymore, sorry.

* I recommend that you continue this tournament with new teams, and maybe you will see what I mean. I hope that you get better results if you do this by the way.

[MACADEMIC]

Edal,

I am very sorry it had to come to this, and I share your disappointment. You have put a huge effort into this tournament, and the idea behind it is still brilliant. Once again a big thanks to you.

It's very generous of you to even hand out prices, of course I'd love to have a P-47 but cannot access the store in Malta.

On a more happy note, I have spoken to the publishers about the sponsoring of a future tournament, and they said yes. They obviously have realized the momentum your tournaments have created for their product.

There is a future for tournaments here on IL-2 Birds of Prey, and I hope we can work together to create another one some time.

Best,

MACADEMIC

[haitch40]

1. its a shame it didnt work out i was quite enjoying it

2. i already have the p47 although its nice to offer prizes

3. DONT LEAVE THE FORUM PLEASE

[P-51]

Pitty to see you leave mate. I would love the P-47 and bonus but there is no need to offer prizes though mate (not saying i wouldnt mind it!)! Your stay here is prize enough!

If there is an official torny - like MACADEMIC said - would you please concider rejoining the site?

Anyway, sorry to see you leave dude. youll be missed! :(

Chris (P-51/reaper1526)

[philabong2]

no need to hand out prizes mate - and its a shame it had to end like this - but all in all u did one hell of a job organizing these tourneys. It really gave this game and community the push it needed to stay alive.

I kno I havent played alot of match in this tournament (never was enough raf pilots or i was too drunk to fly when the timing was right) but it gave us the chance to meet and get some really nice flights with our fellow ussr pilots - and it also filled the games lobbys so any newbe that tried this game online for the first time would actually find some games and get to meet some great peeps.

again great job my friend, all this wasnt done in vain
Cheers

[kozzm0]

This is what I expected, as team USSR was on continuously from 6pm to 1am gmt on wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday, and sunday - 5 days in a row - and not once did team UK accept a match, even during the rare times when enough of them including an officer were online.

There's a word in war for refusing to fight: surrender. Even in a game, it's still called quitting. Team USSR showed up to fight and team UK did not, and that's victory by forfeit.

Thanks team VVS for all the hard work and tactical preparation. You all were amazingly motivated.

Now for a competition that will work. I'm partial to a ladder-type system with 3 or 4 player teams.

[P-51]

This is what I expected, as team USSR was on continuously from 6pm to 1am gmt on wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday, and sunday - 5 days in a row - and not once did team UK accept a match, even during the rare times when enough of them including an officer were online.

There's a word in war for refusing to fight: surrender. Even in a game, it's still called quitting. Team USSR showed up to fight and team UK did not, and that's victory by forfeit.

Thanks team VVS for all the hard work and tactical preparation. You all were amazingly motivated.

Now for a competition that will work. I'm partial to a ladder-type system with 3 or 4 player teams.

Want help to set it up?
To be honest i think that this failed because there were no set times for battles meaning people were to laid back.. If only that could be changed!

[Spitfire23]

Want help to set it up?
To be honest i think that this failed because there were no set times for battles meaning people were to laid back.. If only that could be changed!

Yup, thats exactly what killed it

[irrelevant]

For the record, I spend about 50-60 hours per week in the office for my job, not to mention additional time during nights and weekends. 6pm - 1am GMT is 12pm to 7pm in my time zone... I don't even get home from work until 7pm.

As I stated in a previous post, life has been exceptionally busy as of late. I simply did not have the time to keep up with this. In fact, I think I only managed to play BoP twice in the past few weeks (once being disconnected due to my internet connection taking a poo on me).

Edal, I'm sorry man. Looking back, I shouldn't have signed up for this one. I'll accept responsibility for not being present on behalf of the UK team. More important things took priority over the past month. Sometimes, it's just the way it works.

See ya around guys.

edit: if you saw me playing Beatles Rock Band, well, it the only game my GF likes. ;)

[MACADEMIC]

...that all of a sudden plenty of new motivated sim players are showing up every evening. I would not be surprised if some of them got more interested in flying sim because of the tournament.

If only Edal would have kept it going a little longer...

MACADEMIC

[Mage_016]

I think it would be better if there are voted officers for each side and they set schedules and strategies for the fights.

[kozzm0]

I've started a whole new thread about starting a new tournament, go throw in your 2 cents cause it's important to get the design right.

We could have done scheduled matches, but it takes days for that many people to post on this forum. Team USSR could have formed its own RAF faction and done plenty of matches with no scheduling.

I'll accept responsibility for not being present on behalf of the UK team.

You were there for quite a while on the last day, along with white rhino, but neither of you were officers. The ones who played last week were the absent ones.

[trk29]

I'm going to unsticky this thread now since the tournament has been canceled.

[InfiniteStates]

To be honest i think that this failed because there were no set times for battles meaning people were to laid back.. If only that could be changed!
Kudos to Edal for trying this...but I think it's failing was the game's inherent unbalance towards Russian planes. At the start there were a lot of matches going on, but I think the UK players, whether they realised it or not, just got fed up of being owned by superior LAs. And of course newer game releases give the perfect excuse.

Just my $0.02, to help any future tourneys avoid a similar fate...

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

Kudos to Edal for trying this...but I think it's failing was the game's inherent unbalance towards Russian planes. At the start there were a lot of matches going on, but I think the UK players, whether they realised it or not, just got fed up of being owned by superior LAs. And of course newer game releases give the perfect excuse.

Just my $0.02, to help any future tourneys avoid a similar fate...

If the LA is superior why was the Ace of Aces final two Spitfires?

[STINGERSIX78]

+1

and the uk-team had a biiiig advantage on cta with their p47.
they won the airsuperiority over italy with their spits too...

[InfiniteStates]

If the LA is superior why was the Ace of Aces final two Spitfires?
Mirgervin used an LA5 (I think - could have been a 7) all the way up to the semi-finals. And pretty much every match I played was against an LA. Spitfire vs LA is manageable, just, in 1v1, but when it's more, the Spits get owned.

You give me another reason why the UK team enthusiasm dropped off so sharply while there were so many USSR players always wiling to play?

[kozzm0]

You guys won the air superiority mode the first week, not exactly getting owned there

Where the spitfire didn't work was in airfields - but the p47 was completely unstoppable in that mode. Hurricanes would have worked better also.

The main difference in airfields was we spent quite a bit of time preparing, making sure everyone could land la7's, memorizing the runways and obstacles on the stalingrad airfields.

That was why team UK lost morale mainly, I think. Once team USSR had the b-17, maybe it seemed hopeless. Involving the b-17 ended up ruining the whole thing.

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

Mirgervin used an LA5 (I think - could have been a 7) all the way up to the semi-finals. And pretty much every match I played was against an LA. Spitfire vs LA is manageable, just, in 1v1, but when it's more, the Spits get owned.

You give me another reason why the UK team enthusiasm dropped off so sharply while there were so many USSR players always wiling to play?

Mirgervin could have chosen to fly the LA5 in the final, and if it's so superior, as you claim, he would have. The fact is, what little turn advantage the LA has is neutralised by the Spits firepower.

All the USSR players would have flown Spits or even Hurricanes if they had to, just to get a game. The UK team didn't want to play from the beginning and that showed by the fact there were only one or two on regularly, excluding Edal, right from the start.

[kozzm0]

This thread is kind of beating a dead horse at this point, time to move on

Check the "ladder discussion" thread, I've written a prototype ruleset, about 1 page, based on what has been suggested so far, check it out and post comments, suggestions for additions/subtractions, and so forth.

Starting the formation of teams now would help get the rules done. Teams of 3 or 4, the only restriction being possibly no two team members ranked top 8 in the same leaderboard mode, for balance