Friday 2009-11-13 Screenshots AND Discussion Thread

[luthier]

Hello everyone,

Oleg is taking a much-needed vacation until next week. I'll do a short update for him this time. We'll focus on some of the lesser known planes that we model for Battle of Britain. All screenshots are from development tools. We're not going to do in-engine shots until Oleg is back.

Note: some features in the tools are approximations. There are no waves, wakes, simplified terrain, etc. This update is just to showcase our beautiful aircraft.

First off, here's the Fiat G.50 Freccia, which, as most of you should know by now, took part in the later part of the battle. It will be flyable:

http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/Fiat_G-50_06.jpg
http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/Fiat_G-50_08.jpg
http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/Fiat_G-50_09.jpg

And here's the Heinkel He 115B-2 floatplane. This plane is very rarely modeled in simulations, and never as accurately as ours. We used original manufacturing blueprints to build this model, so it's incredibly precise. This plane will be AI-only in the initial release.


http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/He-115B-2_05.jpg
http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/He-115B-2_06.jpg
http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/He-115B-2_07.jpg

Hope you guys enjoy you weekend! I will certainly enjoy mine.

[Feuerfalke]

Thanks for sharing!

The Heinkel looks nice - the interior details are fantastic! I hope somebody will make a cockpit for this plane.

[PeterPanPan]

Thanks Luthier. The He115B-2 looks great. Will enjoy shooting that one down!!

PPanPan

[Foo'bar]

Ilya would you have enough accurate references to build a He 115 interior/cockpit model from later? That plane is looking phantastic!

[csThor]

Thx a bunch, Ilya. You realize that you just put more emblems on my plate? Namely those of the Küstenfliegergruppen ... :-? :mrgreen:

[Alan Grey]

Thanks !! Every week, I can not wait for Friday and the new screenshots. Awesome!

[I/JG27_Zimmi]

Regarding the weathering effects we can see at those beauties, are they the final and "worst" state of weathering ?

How can we imagine the process of wastage of the entrence area of the cockpit on the upper side of wings? I suppose those effects won't process by flight time such as the wing edges or propeller blades f.e.

A more specific question regarding the damage model I have. Perhaps not directly related to this friday update.
As we know, planes consist of different types of materials. With different characteristics (physically). Are such characteristic values in any kind considered in the damage calculation?
E.g. the heat resistance or strength durability due to forces which occur ?
This could be fire of the engine which heats metal or fabric materials till the load limit is reached and the part fails to work or certain areas get damaged.Or simple collisions on the ground with objects or runway bumps, something like that...

(I know that perhaps gets a bit into detail, but due to my studies I'm interested in those details. Me-262 fans would be a nice topic, but hey BoB is not Schwalbentime ;) )

[Lemmi]

Lovely.

[TheGrunch]

Incredible. And people were afraid they were neglecting the planes. :)

[Dano]

Looking gooood :)

[nearmiss]

Looks like the BOB is going to be an easy stepping stone with Italian aircraft to move pretty quickly to a Mediterranean war theatre, Malta, Southern Italy, North Africa.

The skins are great, because we definitely don't see any pretty shiny aircraft in all the old war films. In fact, the skins could probably be taken down a few more notches. The weather and lack of quality airbases really made a mess out of the aircraft.

Thanks for the update

[MicroWave]

I'm wondering about weathering effects.
If I understood it correctly you are implementing some sort of dynamic weathering?
Q:
1. Is this weathering going to be applied while the mission is playing or it will be applied between the missions?
2. Will it be possible to apply weathering effects independently on different parts of the aircraft? For example firing guns would affect guns area, but not other surfaces.

P.S. If you didn't think about this feature yet, how about implementing it? :mrgreen:

[Skoshi Tiger]

I Know it's early days yet , but in close up's I hope for a bit more interaction between the floats and the water.

Othere than that the detail of the planes is fantastic!

[Dano]

I Know it's early days yet , but in close up's I hope for a bit more interaction between the floats and the water.

Othere than that the detail of the planes is fantastic!

All screenshots are from development tools. We're not going to do in-engine shots until Oleg is back.

Note: some features in the tools are approximations. There are no waves, wakes, simplified terrain, etc. This update is just to showcase our beautiful aircraft.



Is it really so hard to read the original post?

[sport02]

the G50 looks like " 3D view "

I suppose this technology will be supported in Bob

when I see the G50 on the grass , I have the dream that we will have the alteration of the tyres when you cruise on the runway and the plane which rebound on his tyres

also I think that the screen of the plane on the sea could be better with multi light reflections , ( plane on the sea and sea on the plane But it's also depend of the weather) , perhaps in final release ?
on the next update the boats was reflected on the sea

[Skoshi Tiger]

Is it really so hard to read the original post?

Touche!

[Viking]

Hope that Oleg is having a good vacation.
Pics as good as we can hope for at this moment, hope to see a He 111 next week>

Regards

Viking

[zakkandrachoff]

nice G.50, nice skin. will be great Hurricane Vs. G.50
I cant wait to see the next series os SOW

[BadAim]

I'm wondering about weathering effects.
If I understood it correctly you are implementing some sort of dynamic weathering?
Q:
1. Is this weathering going to be applied while the mission is playing or it will be applied between the missions?
2. Will it be possible to apply weathering effects independently on different parts of the aircraft? For example firing guns would affect guns area, but not other surfaces.

P.S. If you didn't think about this feature yet, how about implementing it? :mrgreen:

If you got the extra CD with your 1946 game, break it out and you'll see a stop time vid of the dynamic weathering process, including chipping of the prop and wingtips, "crew wear" and exhaust staining. If not, you'll have to take my word for it, but it is nice! :)

[JtD]

The detail makes me wonder if the engine parts will be moving...

Well done planes. I sure hope that the damage model is improved that much as well. :)

[Jaws2002]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/He-115B-2_07.jpg



Me wants, me wants.:mrgreen:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/37144582.jpg

[Buglord]

Thanks for the friday updates oleg & luthier , things are looking very good :)

[choctaw111]

Thank you very much for the update.
This is starting to feel so much like the old days and I am glad to have this feeling back again.

[hiro]

Thanks for the update!

Word, the weathering and details of the planes are far above IL-2.

I like the engine details inside of the cowl, and these aren't the in game ones.

And inclusion of the he 115, the lighting looks good.


It's cool there's going to be details like sunlight glints from a distance (before you get close).


I suspect they will have moving engine parts, as IL-2 has the internal cooling fan of the FW 190, I remember nodding my head and giving props (proper recognition) to that, when I learned the value of F2 during engine spool up.

[mazex]

Hello everyone,

Oleg is taking a much-needed vacation until next week. I'll do a short update for him this time. We'll focus on some of the lesser known planes that we model for Battle of Britain. All screenshots are from development tools. We're not going to do in-engine shots until Oleg is back.

Note: some features in the tools are approximations. There are no waves, wakes, simplified terrain, etc. This update is just to showcase our beautiful aircraft.

First off, here's the Fiat G.50 Freccia, which, as most of you should know by now, took part in the later part of the battle. It will be flyable:

http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/Fiat_G-50_06.jpg
http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/Fiat_G-50_08.jpg
http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/Fiat_G-50_09.jpg

And here's the Heinkel He 115B-2 floatplane. This plane is very rarely modeled in simulations, and never as accurately as ours. We used original manufacturing blueprints to build this model, so it's incredibly precise. This plane will be AI-only in the initial release.


http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/He-115B-2_05.jpg
http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/He-115B-2_06.jpg
http://files.games.1c.ru/il2pict/He-115B-2_07.jpg

Hope you guys enjoy you weekend! I will certainly enjoy mine.

I know the italian fans will flame me but... Why make the G-50 flyable if the Defiant is not? Why make the BR-20 flyable when the Do-17 is not?

In my world the Do-17 in particular was an important plane during the Battle, and the Defiant is sure a plane that is often discussed even though it was a failure... The italians where really of minor significance (but interesting for sure!).

The best would be to have them all but if we can't have them all... As the Italian cockpits are already done I'm crying for nothing I guess - but the Do-17 is really one of my personal "bad guy" favorites...

/Mazex

[=KAG=Bersrk]

Mazex - there were much more hard-used aircrafts during BoB, wich will NOT be in relise...

For example Bf110C-2 and Bf110D-0/3.

[furbs]

Pics not showing for me :( anybody else?

[mazex]

Mazex - there were much more hard-used aircrafts during BoB, wich will NOT be in relise...

For example Bf110C-2 and Bf110D-0/3.

But the C4 will be there (?) so there will be one flyable 110 at least. For me the "must haves" for a BoB game is really spits and hurricanes vs the three main german bombers (111,88,17) and the 109 and 110 trying to protect them. The rest is nice to haves...

Then I am really pleased that most of these are flyable, so I'm really just complaining cause I'm spoiled by the overwhelming number of flyables in IL2... With the cockpit detail of SoW we really only deserve the spit for the lousy $39 we will pay for it.

Side note - while googling a bit about the 110 as you mentioned the versions you would like instead of the C4 if found this interesting fact:

"The Luftwaffe had embarked on the battle with 237 serviceable Bf 110s. 223 were lost in the course of it".

Talk about loss ratio!

/Mazex

[sport02]

I suppose Do 17 will coming in a few time after release

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Mazex, we're all spoiled by IL-2 :mrgreen:

These planes look great! I can already see I'll have a good time flying with the G.50. And that Heinkel - amazing!! I'll be sure to take my time testing it's damage model under .303 fire. C'mon, it isn't my evil geniuous talking here, it's a scientific report on the resistance of the materials used in an aircraft! Science, not just a cheap excuse to blow things up (it's a bit comparable to the way the Mythbusters do it).

I have a silly question related to languages: will users be able to choose between the languages?

[AFJ_rsm]

Pics not showing for me :( anybody else?

same here :(

looks like the site is down

[Foo'bar]

Look here (http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/category/computerspiele/storm-of-war-computerspiele/screenshots/2009/)

[peterwoods@supanet.com]

same here :(

looks like the site is down

Me too but thanks to FooBar for alternative view. Danke

[Skoshi Tiger]

But the C4 will be there (?) so there will be one flyable 110 at least. For me the "must haves" for a BoB game is really spits and hurricanes vs the three main german bombers (111,88,17) and the 109 and 110 trying to protect them. The rest is nice to haves...


But don't we need a Ju-87 for the early channel convoy phase of the BoB?

It must have been a fairly hard call by the developers.


Then I am really pleased that most of these are flyable, so I'm really just complaining cause I'm spoiled by the overwhelming number of flyables in IL2... With the cockpit detail of SoW we really only deserve the spit for the lousy $39 we will pay for it.



Ungreatful bunch aren't we! ;)



Side note - while googling a bit about the 110 as you mentioned the versions you would like instead of the C4 if found this interesting fact:

"The Luftwaffe had embarked on the battle with 237 serviceable Bf 110s. 223 were lost in the course of it".

Talk about loss ratio!

/Mazex

It would have taken a brave man to get into the cockpit back in those days. I wonder how many replacement/renforcement 110 arived for the LW?

[JVM]

Look here (http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/category/computerspiele/storm-of-war-computerspiele/screenshots/2009/)

Hello Foo'bar!

You forgot this one I believe: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=118575&postcount=151

JV

[mazex]

Look here (http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/category/computerspiele/storm-of-war-computerspiele/screenshots/2009/)

Nice page you got there, a lot better overview even when the 1C site works -thanks!

[AFJ_rsm]

Thank you Foo'bar!

[Insuber]

I know the italian fans will flame me but... Why make the G-50 flyable if the Defiant is not? Why make the BR-20 flyable when the Do-17 is not?

In my world the Do-17 in particular was an important plane during the Battle, and the Defiant is sure a plane that is often discussed even though it was a failure... The italians where really of minor significance (but interesting for sure!).

The best would be to have them all but if we can't have them all... As the Italian cockpits are already done I'm crying for nothing I guess - but the Do-17 is really one of my personal "bad guy" favorites...

/Mazex

I was wondering more or less the same. Despite the Italian birds being far superior to the other in terms of technical ingenuity and sheer aeroplanautical beauty, they saw little use in the BoB indeed, as they were 5 or 6 years older than the more recent British types; one can then be led to attribute their presence in game to the need of planes that the Hurris could bag more easily than the German types...
No more seriously, my guess is that the three Italian machines could be used to build quickly other nice theaters with little effort, such as Greece, or North Africa 1940.

Just guessing.

Regards,
Insuber

[Necrobaron]

I figure they just want to be more thorough than sims of the past. Most people don't even think of the Italian contribution which makes their inclusion all the more interesting.
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[=KAG=Bersrk]

"The Luftwaffe had embarked on the battle with 237 serviceable Bf 110s. 223 were lost in the course of it".

Talk about loss ratio!

/Mazex

Hahaha ok lets talk about it.

When finally comparing the scores by Bf 109 and Bf 110 units as mentioned above with the estimated true losses by each side for the period July-October 1940 it turns out that in approximate figures the authentic victories versus actual air battle losses where:

Spitfire 550 victories to 329 losses – a ratio of 1,7:1
Hurricane 750 victories to 603 losses – a ratio of 1,2:1
Bf 109 780 victories to 534 losses – a ratio of 1,5:1
Bf 110 340 victories to 196 losses – a ratio of 1,7:1

In October the Bf 110 units even had a ratio of 3:1 while the Bf 109 units dropped to 1,4:1.

Bf110 C-1 - 195 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-2 - 359 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-4 - 155 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-5 - 100 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-6 - 12 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-7 - 39 aircrafts built,

Bf110 D-0 - 83 aircrafts built,.
Bf110 D-0/D-1 - 21 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-0/D-3 - 12 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-0/D-4 - 6 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-2 - 73 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-3 - 254 aircrafts built,

P.S. Tell me please, what Geschwader of Luftwaffe was the first who got 500 air-to-air victories, and when it happened?

[mazex]

Hahaha ok lets talk about it.



Bf110 C-1 - 195 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-2 - 359 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-4 - 155 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-5 - 100 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-6 - 12 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-7 - 39 aircrafts built,

Bf110 D-0 - 83 aircrafts built,.
Bf110 D-0/D-1 - 21 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-0/D-3 - 12 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-0/D-4 - 6 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-2 - 73 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-3 - 254 aircrafts built,

P.S. Tell me please, what Geschwader of Luftwaffe was the first who got 500 air-to-air victories, and when it happened?

Well, looking at your sig I guess it was ZG 76... But where where they when JG54 passed 9000 kills? Or when JG52 passed 10000 ;)

But it is an interesting fact that the 110 actually did not have that bad K/D ratio (when I talked ratio it was more from the number deployed/number destroyed). But if the cautious 110:s where in a defensive circle or high above and the the Heinkels continued their bombing approach defended on close range by the 109:s - who should the RAF pilots focus on? Then a 110 could dive down to get a kill but it did not really affect the battle in the same way as the 109:s... Just guessing.

[Romanator21]

With regards to Italian aircraft, although they were rare in the battle, when someone is in the store casually browsing through the game section, they see a nice Battle of Britain packaging, with a couple Italian planes on the back. That someone's eyes are going to go wide, because they never imagined Italy had any part in that battle at all, and the sheer curiosity will tip them off the fence into buying it. :)

I think that within a year we will get our Do-17s, Defiants, Bf-110 variants, etc. So have no fear:
http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/wp-content/defiant20mk-i_06.jpg
http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/wp-content/do-215_1_1.jpg
http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/wp-content/do1720rap.jpg

[Foo'bar]

Hello Foo'bar!

You forgot this one I believe: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=118575&postcount=151

JV

Indeed, thanks :)

[mazex]

With regards to Italian aircraft, although they were rare in the battle, when someone is in the store casually browsing through the game section, they see a nice Battle of Britain packaging, with a couple Italian planes on the back. That someone's eyes are going to go wide, because they never imagined Italy had any part in that battle at all, and the sheer curiosity will tip them off the fence into buying it. :)


He he, maybe - but a person who gets a kick from seeing Italian planes present in a BoB simulator will buy it anyway, and he's probably already here on the forum :)

[HFC_Dolphin]

BTW, in Foo'bar's page, we can see additional 3 pictures, taken from KAG's forum :)

[Feuerfalke]

BTW, in Foo'bar's page, we can see additional 3 pictures, taken from KAG's forum :)

Nice pictures - can't wait to see the new damage-model in action.

[Foo'bar]

OT?

[Alien]

Hey I was surfing net and found this one:


http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/4503/grab0004h.jpg

Nice one!!!

[Insuber]

Ilya,

The G.50bis Freccia looks amazingly detailed, and the skin + weathering is quite realistic. The heavy discoloration pattern behind the pit is seen in actual photos of the time of CAI (Corpo Aereo Italiano).

The model quality is already very good for a still picture, shadow, lighting and all, even more if we consider that it will be a real time simulation ... I'm quite afraid now about the framerate, but I really prefer to have a complex sim now and wait a little bit for new more powerful h/w.


Ins

[Necrobaron]

I'm really looking forward to hearing more about the new damage model, both visual and not so visual.
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[timholt]

Pics not showing for me :( anybody else?

Me either, I have been trying for 12 hours to no avail.

[Dano]

Look on Foo'bar's site:

Look here (http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/category/computerspiele/storm-of-war-computerspiele/screenshots/2009/)

[Nils]

Cool :)
I know for my part I gonna fly the 115 and ONLY the 115!!
It looks great apart for some small modelling errors but you can't have it all...

Here is my own 115 at work.

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj220/nils_011/Flysamlingen/Nils_115_BW.jpg

[Foo'bar]

Cool :)
I know for my part I gonna fly the 115 and ONLY the 115!!

The 115 will not have a cockpit in the initial release. AFAIK Oleg stated this.