Is it still kill stealing if.....

[Skoshi Tiger]

Just to see what the concensus on this situation is.

Flying in a New Guinea map on line and there is a three way chase, a Red plane - a Zero - and another red plane comming up the rear and I'm above the action looking down

The zero is shooting at the first Red plane when the trailing red plane gets hits on the zero which starts streaming smoke and flames.

Unfortunately the Zero does not break off or eject , but continues to stick on the first red planes tail blazing away with all guns.

At this point I've lost track of the trailing red plane so I drop down on the zero and finish him off!

Of course this all takes place in the course of 20-30 seconds so there wasn't too long to think about it.


Am I:
a) A Hero for saving my team mates life?
b) A dirty scum sucking kill stealer?
c) A dirty scum sucking kill stealer that will sleep well tonight in the knowledge I saved my team mates life?
d) Very lucky I didn't get any shots on the first Red plane and shoot him down instead?

What do people think?

[Baron]

As long as a enemy shoots, even in the general direction of a friendly, hes a target.


He could have gotten of a lucky pk shot, who knows.

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Somehow, this kill stealing stuff just reminded me of South Park:

-"Oh no, they killed Jerry!"

-"You bastards!"

:mrgreen:

[choctaw111]

That's a thin line there.
The enemy plane was set on fire by another player which typically is a no-no to shoot down yourself. Then again the enemy plane is still shooting at your team mate.
That's a tough call really.
You don't know what happened to the pilot who set the enemy ablaze?
If he broke off after he set the enemy plane on fire and the enemy is still shooting at a team mate, then I would say you were right in what you did.
If the team mate who set the enemy plane on fire was still pursuing him after it was set of fire, then you dove in and finished it off, then there may be some accusations flying around.

[hiro]

Depends on the server, if its air quake like Skies of Halor, its kill stealing. To them.


60% of the time, all the time, you'd get "Skoshi's a kill stealer. Stop watchin' my shoulder, you shoulder shooter. So which airfield are you going to vulch?"


To me, if a same team got someone off my tail, I'd be happy. A noob like myself would give props and get shot down while trying to chat thanks, but its only me, myself, and I.



If its a full pit like Warcrowds or Splits vs 1099's, its debatable, plus you'll get "dude that came close to TK,"

But since you were in Geeks vs Wildchicks, its a tough call. You were probably the four of the five people in there. You could talk it over with them.



If its a coop, gratz you saved a friend, long distance hi five!

[HFC_Dolphin]

The only one who should have problem with kill stealing is the dead.
After all, it's this action that made him dead.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Thanks for your input guys, I didn't loose too much sleep over the incident.

The mission was on the Skies of Valour server. They've had a few major issues with their server recently and have had to rebuild their stats page. When I looked up the mission I was surprised to find they had allocated me .5 of a kill for bringing down the plane. (I didn't think they could do that?? Hopefully the guy that flamed the zero got the other .5)

So all is well with the universe!

Cheers!

[FS~Hawks]

If he was on fire well yes corz 5sec the pilot is dead from the fire. They start drifting toward the ground to crash and if he shooting hes dead shooting.

[Skoshi Tiger]

If he was on fire well yes corz 5sec the pilot is dead from the fire. They start drifting toward the ground to crash and if he shooting hes dead shooting.

Hey Hawks ! Hi! At the time it did look like he was just plowing on and chasing the other plane regardless of the consequences.

Hope to see ya agin on SOV soon!

[nearmiss]

Maybe the dm should include pm as well..

damage modeling/pilot modeling

So, if the aircraft is burning the pilot has no ability to do anything but barbeque or baill out.

[Igo kyu]

Maybe the dm should include pm as well..

damage modeling/pilot modeling

So, if the aircraft is burning the pilot has no ability to do anything but barbeque or baill out.
Depends where the fire is. If it's on a wingtip or the tail, maybe fighting on was possible. There were bombers that made it back to base after fires (I'm sure I read about that).

[SlipBall]

You are both an A and a B...the B only because of the point system in game. Had that been a real war battle, you would be the hero. Sleep well tonight, you're OK

[themink]

We do verbal claims - and generally both pilots would claim the kill.

As the pilot being shot at, I appreciate it if someone blows the guy off my tail.
As the pilot being "stolen" from, I feel a little cheated.
As the pilot doing the shooting, I feel virtuous.

[MD_Titus]

If he was on fire well yes corz 5sec the pilot is dead from the fire. They start drifting toward the ground to crash and if he shooting hes dead shooting.

and in those 5 seconds he can nail the red guy.

seems funny though, i often see dewinged planes that are still considered targets by some in SoV.

[steppie]

well they question you have to ask your self is were try to save your mate or were you after the points.
If you were after the points then it a steal kill'
But if you are trying to save your mate butt then "blast away"

[TheGrunch]

I was on SoF today playing red in a Spit VIII, had just got an FW-200 and an FW-190, was heading back towards my base at about 15-16k feet low on fuel and cannon ammo, I stopped by the first base and saw it was covered in blues, and decided to potter over to another. Then I noticed one of the Fire Squadron guys who was on my team diving in on a 109 over the base, so I checked my fuel gauge, saw it was pretty empty, but I thought, "what the hell, I've talked to the guy on TS a bit, seems nice, I'll help him out". So I went in alternating with him, except I was only firing MGs to keep the guy off balance. Finally the 109 driver heads into the weeds so I stay high covering the FS guy and he dewings the 109 on the deck.
I check my fuel gauge and see I'm almost running on fumes, and now the base below me has three blue 190s moving in towards it. Damn. I nose over to the other base and run out of fuel halfway there, have to land on a road. So I only got 50 points, but I didn't care, to be honest, it was a fun sortie.
That is, until the FS guy I was helping out pipes up in chat saying "you know what grunch, you're not a good teamplayer". :o
I'm like "oh, really...why's that?". He says "I don't know, you just aren't, you should watch urself u know".
Am I wrong to be really offended? The fight played out as a textbook wing-pair attack, with one staying high to cover the other in between attacking and not prosecuting the kill, I couldn't have been a better wingman without being on TS to be honest, and all I get is accused of being a terrible teamplayer, despite losing 450 points for helping the guy! :confused:
To be fair there's no way he could know I was only firing MGs, but if he was such a great teamplayer he wouldn't care which way the points went anyway, would he? I don't call people out for cutting in unless they're literally shoulder-shooting, myself.
Seems to me like the guy couldn't recognise teamwork if it dewinged him with a MK-103 out of a 2000ft height advantage. :(