Patch Update

[Desode]

Just thought you guys might want to know, the admin over at Anton's forums made these posts to day. Its not much but atleast a update so we all know the patch is still on its way.

Todace: "Hi guys
Title update is in QA agian - a few issues with multiplayer were found.
More news about title update will be next week.

BTW Some news about sequel and PC version of the game will be very soon. And on this forum will be a day before others."


Then this was asked "
Can you give us any info on what the MP bugs were?

Also, this whole issue that the publisher is not going to release the update...can you make any comments on that?

Thanks again for your continued support, it is much appreciated"




Todace: "Well, first of all publishers are still going to release update. There are just lots of communication delays, like this: we made update, publisher scheduled QA on next week, then QA worked and found issues, then our turn agian.
We have repeated this at least 6 times, and each iteration takes time, usually week and more.
You know updates are not primary buisness for publishers (any of them) and as they don't have internal QA team it take much more time.
I'm talking about PS3 update. X360 will be scheduled for QA not earlier then PS3 update will pass Sony's QA.
Bugs are about disconnects in some cases.

So most of time we are not making or fixing update but just waiting.
But on other hand our works on sequel are on schedule. And all the issues that we have fixed in update or all features that were added will be in sequel. And even more - things like replays or join-in-progress cannot be added in Birds of Prey, but will be in sequel.

So, you are not forgetten, guys "




Then this was asked "lol they are working on a sequel, having not even fixed the first game. Are you really trying to tell me that, replays, more options and all the other missing things were not on the table for the original and you didn't just cut them for budget reasons ? Be honest, you just wanted this game out to generate some cash and check out the market.
Granted all IL-2 releases needed a few patches, but they all included far more features.
You should have taken way more cues from the PC versions. "



Todace: "Keep your lols for someone else. PC is very different from consoles. If you don't want to listen what I'm talking about - then don't ask questions.
Just for example - there is no possibility to add replays for console version. This feature requires more memory then it is possible to have. So that means that this is not just 'add' feature. Join-in-Progress, for example can be done on consoles. But it cannot be done in ranked match which is required on Live, and it requires more tests to pass certification. And as we have no posibility to make open beta-test on consoles it was impossible to have it.
And so on.

And, BTW, publisher have to pay platformholders for each update. That is completely different from PC.
Also we are making update with self-funding, so please, give us some respect for this work - we are not obliged to do this.

Our PC version will be updated much often. "










So there you have it guys, the latest info on the patch. It sheds some light on the situation a little and lets us know that the patch is still on its way.


Have a Great day, Desode

[Deascendent]

I understand the dude's anger that made "Todace" mad... but, cmon, this isn't the Soviet Union... these Russian devs are gonna have to start learning their markets, you can't just go around releasing a game, creating a dev's forum and leaving your community in the dark saying, "We don't have any obligation to make an update, we are using our own money" I know they probably grew up in communism and that influence is hard to shake, but in order to succeed in markets abroad you need to know how communicate effectively and not leave people hanging, thinking "We don't have to tell you nothing, it is the way it is, long live Mother Russia"

[LostInSpace]

Here we go again with the "please give us respect because we are paying out of pocket for the update and we are not obliged to do this". Are you kidding me! The game is broken and you released it as is! You should do the honorable thing and correct it! I swear they'd charge us if they could for the update.

This is the second time I've heard this from the developers and I'm starting to wonder if their inexperience is the culprit for a lot of the issues we are having.

And BTW I enjoy this game and appreciate all of their hard work.

EDIT: I've been thinking this for a while but I haven't said it but the poster above me did so here we go. I also suspect some issues and attitudes are the result of cultural (oh what is the word?).

[mattd27]

Now that I know the patch is coming for sure it will be must easier to wait it out. Besides I'm gonna have MW2 to keep me busy. :)

[PantherAttack2]

Thanks for the update on this... Much appreciated. :)

[Molgera]

Wow, i find the developpers are often mean..
Anyway, i don't even play the game anymore.
So they can be rude to new people now.

[Windchaser]

In Soviet Russia . . . game patches you!

[trk29]

Thanks for finding and posting this buddy.

[kozzm0]

That's all any developer is about lately, cheap sequels. Make a quick sequel, no matter how crappy, to make the quick buck.

But there's a rule about sequels: first you have to make a great game and sell a lot of copies, before you can make a sequel.

EA is working on their millionth sequel to Battlefield but they're calling it Bad Company 2 which makes it the sequel to the lame Bad Company. They'll only get away with it cause they're EA and they have graphics fanboys.

I don't think 505 can get away with that. BoP has to be finished before they can make a sequel.

Judging by the number of players on the boards, I'd guess it hasn't sold 50k copies yet, not on ps3 at least. When the game isn't selling well isn't the time to talk sequel.

[PedroTheGoat]

in soviet russia . . . Game patches you!

lmmfao!!!

[l88bastard]

join-in-progress cannot be added in Birds of Prey, but will be in sequel.

Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! When people ask was it Lee Harvey Oswald that shot and killed BOP, the answer is no, no it was not LHO, but rather the lack of this one simple item. You see when you have a limited community for a niche product, the last thing you want to do is segment the consumer into isolation where they cannot join or enjoy the limited numbers of players available. Otherwise, you will piss off the limited number of consumers that sit in their big fat lazy boy wasting thirty minutes of their life and their 120" projector bulbs life looking for a match that will never come. And after a limited amount of these wasting activities said customer will buy two more monitors and then enjoy their favorite PC sims at 4960x1600 resolution and not look back at the Russian console developers that love to put nuts in vices.

In soviet Russia, not only does the game patch you, but it also pleasures your woman better, abuses your sports car and smokes your last cigarette!

And Goat I enjoyed our few skirmishes where you violated me in ways I never thought possible with a La-7, but I fear my console flying days will be few and far between as I have enlisted in WWI
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v725/l88bastard/102320097528.jpg

[RobertHammyGrayVC]

Is that seriously your gaming room?

Wow...

And what game is that?

[Deascendent]

Also we are making update with self-funding, so please, give us some respect for this work - we are not obliged to do this.

Our PC version will be updated much often. "

Back in Soviet Russia.. million men die for such disrespect, when I your age I feel a lucky to be allowed even lowsy snowball to play with!! So a piss off greedy capitalists.

[CENOBITE]

I have worked for THQ, EA, Vivendi and Insomniac Games... and if there is one constant, it's that no matter how many features or long you spend fixing issues in a game, even if it's one of the biggest selling masterpieces ever...

*many things have to been cut to get it shipped
*there will always be bugs
*you will always have man-babies whining about all sorts of sh!t on forums.

Having a separate QA is horrible and can cause all sorts of delays. Most people have absolutely no clue the effort devs put into a title and that just one bug can be the cause of divorces, ending of relationships, friendships, health issues and sad children.

Get a life and enjoy the game you pitiful, pitiful whiners. If not... go make a multi-million dollar selling game and then get back to me about your opinion.

any moron can write what they wish to be done... it's a pro that does it.

[Desode]

join-in-progress cannot be added in Birds of Prey, but will be in sequel.

Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! When people ask was it Lee Harvey Oswald that shot and killed BOP, the answer is no, no it was not LHO, but rather the lack of this one simple item. You see when you have a limited community for a niche product, the last thing you want to do is segment the consumer into isolation where they cannot join or enjoy the limited numbers of players available. Otherwise, you will piss off the limited number of consumers that sit in their big fat lazy boy wasting thirty minutes of their life and their 120" projector bulbs life looking for a match that will never come. And after a limited amount of these wasting activities said customer will buy two more monitors and then enjoy their favorite PC sims at 4960x1600 resolution and not look back at the Russian console developers that love to put nuts in vices.

In soviet Russia, not only does the game patch you, but it also pleasures your woman better, abuses your sports car and smokes your last cigarette!

And Goat I enjoyed our few skirmishes where you violated me in ways I never thought possible with a La-7, but I fear my console flying days will be few and far between as I have enlisted in WWI
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v725/l88bastard/102320097528.jpg

You make me laugh my friend, your posts always have given me a great smile.

As for WWI, I will be joining you very shortly, I ordered OFF today and I'm going to get Rise of flight , in the next month. What kind of rig are you using to run these WWI sims ? I just built a new AMD 3.0 ghz quad, I just have the intergrated Nvidia 750a sli right now but I'm looking to buy a nice card to link with the intergrated card. If you get a chance, tell me your rig and what graphics level your running on the game. I'd appreciate the info.
DESODE

[kozzm0]

holy crap l88bastard if we were all filthy stinking rich enough to have a gaming pc and 3 big screens we wouldn't be using ps3's would we.

The whole point of putting a game on console is to try to make it NOT a niche product (such as games for gaming pc's with wraparound screens are)

but to get lots of people to play it

I don't think join-in-progress is needed or that it would even be a wise addition. The last thing a 1 on 1 team battle needs is to suddenly turn into a 2-on-1 battle, or a 3-on-2. Not that it doesn't happen in real life, but it's pretty unfair to the unlucky player who suddenly gets double-teamed.

But it should be possible to join the ROOM when the game is in progress. That's standard. Right now there can be a game in progress and you'd never know it cause quick match says there's none unless the match is waiting to start - which usually takes about a minute, compared to 10 minutes for the actual match.

If they could just stop the matches from self-terminating after every round, and let people join the match lobby and wait for the next round, it would make a world of difference.

what is the url of anton's forums, somebody should mention that the "own money" they spent on the patch will come back to them in the form of sales to people who aren't obligated to buy the game. If the patch fixes the MP then sales would jump probably 500 percent at least.

[Ancient Seraph]

holy crap l88bastard if we were all filthy stinking rich enough to have a gaming pc and 3 big screens we wouldn't be using ps3's would we.

The whole point of putting a game on console is to try to make it NOT a niche product (such as games for gaming pc's with wraparound screens are)

but to get lots of people to play it

I don't think join-in-progress is needed or that it would even be a wise addition. The last thing a 1 on 1 team battle needs is to suddenly turn into a 2-on-1 battle, or a 3-on-2. Not that it doesn't happen in real life, but it's pretty unfair to the unlucky player who suddenly gets double-teamed.

But it should be possible to join the ROOM when the game is in progress. That's standard. Right now there can be a game in progress and you'd never know it cause quick match says there's none unless the match is waiting to start - which usually takes about a minute, compared to 10 minutes for the actual match.

If they could just stop the matches from self-terminating after every round, and let people join the match lobby and wait for the next round, it would make a world of difference.

what is the url of anton's forums, somebody should mention that the "own money" they spent on the patch will come back to them in the form of sales to people who aren't obligated to buy the game. If the patch fixes the MP then sales would jump probably 500 percent at least.
I agree on the join-in-progress comment, more or less. If there's going to be join-in-progress, more server options should be available I think.
But you can keep the 1v1 battle a 1v1 battle if you just set the player limit to 2 ;).
I'm quite sure the sales won't jump 500% after the patch. I don't think there's that many people that don't have the game, but are waiting for the patch to buy it ;).

[kozzm0]

I agree on the join-in-progress comment, more or less. If there's going to be join-in-progress, more server options should be available I think.
But you can keep the 1v1 battle a 1v1 battle if you just set the player limit to 2 ;).
I'm quite sure the sales won't jump 500% after the patch. I don't think there's that many people that don't have the game, but are waiting for the patch to buy it ;).

yeah that's true about player limit, I guess... but once there's more peeps playing, if you set the limit to 4 hoping for a good match but then have to start the match with just 2, it should stay 1 on 1.

there's not people sitting around thinking "I'm gonna get BOP after it's patched" but there are a lot of people hearing "don't buy BOP cause the MP sucks." Reputation sells a lot of copies.

[InfiniteStates]

...
*many things have to been cut to get it shipped
*there will always be bugs
*you will always have man-babies whining about all sorts of sh!t on forums.

Having a separate QA is horrible and can cause all sorts of delays. Most people have absolutely no clue the effort devs put into a title...

Get a life and enjoy the game you pitiful, pitiful whiners. If not... go make a multi-million dollar selling game and then get back to me about your opinion.

any moron can write what they wish to be done... it's a pro that does it.
Amen dude. As a game programmer I can tell you being caught in a publisher/QA sandwich is no fun. And having suits constantly saying no to cool features is incredibly frustrating.

Chances are the devs thought of most things people post that they want in the game, but the cold hard reality of the business world got in the way.


what is the url of anton's forums, somebody should mention that the "own money" they spent on the patch will come back to them in the form of sales to people who aren't obligated to buy the game. If the patch fixes the MP then sales would jump probably 500 percent at least.
No, it won't. Publishers pay developers to develop - that pays the developer's salaries, office rent etc etc. Any money made from sales goes to the publisher (although there may be some kind of royalty deal with the developer).

[Ju-87]

EA is working on their millionth sequel to Battlefield but they're calling it Bad Company 2 which makes it the sequel to the lame Bad Company. They'll only get away with it cause they're EA and they have graphics fanboys.


I think you are very wrong here. The graphics in Bad Company or BF1943 have never been very good or fantastic. Anyone can see that by simply comparing.

I think those games are popular because they have multiplayer that is fluid, and works... Something which cannot be said about many other console games. :rolleyes:

[LostInSpace]

I have worked for THQ, EA, Vivendi and Insomniac Games... and if there is one constant, it's that no matter how many features or long you spend fixing issues in a game, even if it's one of the biggest selling masterpieces ever...

*many things have to been cut to get it shipped
*there will always be bugs
*you will always have man-babies whining about all sorts of sh!t on forums.

Having a separate QA is horrible and can cause all sorts of delays. Most people have absolutely no clue the effort devs put into a title and that just one bug can be the cause of divorces, ending of relationships, friendships, health issues and sad children.

Get a life and enjoy the game you pitiful, pitiful whiners. If not... go make a multi-million dollar selling game and then get back to me about your opinion.

any moron can write what they wish to be done... it's a pro that does it.

Just a little sensitive aren't we? Did you work on a game that flopped perhaps? Welcome to the real world pal! Not everybody is going to kiss your a$$ just because you so-called "worked hard".

[Ancient Seraph]

Just a little sensitive aren't we? Did you work on a game that flopped perhaps? Welcome to the real world pal! Not everybody is going to kiss your a$$ just because you so-called "worked hard".
No need to b**** to them about it either.

[SgtPappy]

I hope we'll get black/red outs in the patch as well...

[gaz]

Thanks for the update on this... Just glad its on the way.
I like a few mates have put this game on the backburner until the patch.

[PedroTheGoat]

[QUOTE=l88bastard;117410]join-in-progress cannot be added in Birds of Prey, but will be in sequel.

Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! When people ask was it Lee Harvey Oswald that shot and killed BOP, the answer is no, no it was not LHO, but rather the lack of this one simple item. You see when you have a limited community for a niche product, the last thing you want to do is segment the consumer into isolation where they cannot join or enjoy the limited numbers of players available. Otherwise, you will piss off the limited number of consumers that sit in their big fat lazy boy wasting thirty minutes of their life and their 120" projector bulbs life looking for a match that will never come. And after a limited amount of these wasting activities said customer will buy two more monitors and then enjoy their favorite PC sims at 4960x1600 resolution and not look back at the Russian console developers that love to put nuts in vices.

In soviet Russia, not only does the game patch you, but it also pleasures your woman better, abuses your sports car and smokes your last cigarette!

And Goat I enjoyed our few skirmishes where you violated me in ways I never thought possible with a La-7, but I fear my console flying days will be few and far between as I have enlisted in WWI
[IMG]

Well my friend... I will always enjoy the memories of violating you.

Once you can take a break from that SWEET ASS GAMING RIG then send me a message and we can fly again. Who knows, I may use a Yak 3 next time. ;)

I would join the Civil War if I had a rig like that.

[Panzergranate]

The WW1 Fokker D.III. pictures looks like "Red Baron II" or "Red Baron III", from the graphics.

I always prefered the Pfaltz myself.

Out of all the simulators ever made, the "Red Baron" series was the best ever .... it would make a good console game, so long as they don't loose the realism somehow with the usual "dumbing down for kids" way some conversion to consoles go.

Bad Company made COD 4 and COD WaW look seriously crap by comparison. COD 2 and COD 3 were the best versions and the multiplayer on both is superior to the later versions.

The only gripe with Bad Comapny is that holding a knife makes a player bullet proof.

Operation flashpoint has a few bugs and the first update patch arrived yesterday. Still loads to be fixed and the Code Masters were against releasing it before all the bugs were fixed. Now the game is in running repair.

The days of one person writing a PC gaming classic alone, such as "X-Com Alien Unknown" are long gone. The likes of Jullian Gollop just don't exist anymore and it takes a team of programmers just to make something work with Windows.

Not all computer or console games have bugs.... "Battle Stations Pacific" is bug free, so is "Left For Dead".

Using the excuse that all games are full of bugs is like saying that because the Russian Voshkod motorcycle was a poorly built and unreliable piece of crap (I have a friend who owns one and it has never actually run in over 20 years) therefore it is OK to make all motorcycles like that. OK, so China seems to have fallen for that one.

What is wrong with striving to make something as good as it possibly can be and showing up the competition??

[JG27CaptStubing]

Actually that looks like "Rise of Flight"

[axhat]

It's Over Flanders Fields. It was originaly a CFS 3 mod, but the the creators completely rewrote the code and released a stand-alone retail version. Definitely worth a look if you have a PC.

Cheers!

AX

[Panzergranate]

The crashes on RB 2 and RB 3 are spectacular. Aircraft hit the ground and fragment, parts scattering with true physics and the engine block tumbling for a few hundred metres.

Players have the option of baling out of a plane without a parachute, as the Allied generals didn't believe in issuing them..... the mission / career ends when the player splats on the ground.

Does "Over Flanders Field" have the sounds of the aircraft rigging creaking and straining during aerobatics?? Players had to learn to become atuned to their steeds to avoid mid air break ups.

[Soviet Ace]

The WW1 Fokker D.III. pictures looks like "Red Baron II" or "Red Baron III", from the graphics.

I always prefered the Pfaltz myself.

Out of all the simulators ever made, the "Red Baron" series was the best ever .... it would make a good console game, so long as they don't loose the realism somehow with the usual "dumbing down for kids" way some conversion to consoles go.

Bad Company made COD 4 and COD WaW look seriously crap by comparison. COD 2 and COD 3 were the best versions and the multiplayer on both is superior to the later versions.

The only gripe with Bad Comapny is that holding a knife makes a player bullet proof.

Operation flashpoint has a few bugs and the first update patch arrived yesterday. Still loads to be fixed and the Code Masters were against releasing it before all the bugs were fixed. Now the game is in running repair.

The days of one person writing a PC gaming classic alone, such as "X-Com Alien Unknown" are long gone. The likes of Jullian Gollop just don't exist anymore and it takes a team of programmers just to make something work with Windows.

Not all computer or console games have bugs.... "Battle Stations Pacific" is bug free, so is "Left For Dead".

Using the excuse that all games are full of bugs is like saying that because the Russian Voshkod motorcycle was a poorly built and unreliable piece of crap (I have a friend who owns one and it has never actually run in over 20 years) therefore it is OK to make all motorcycles like that. OK, so China seems to have fallen for that one.

What is wrong with striving to make something as good as it possibly can be and showing up the competition??

Do you mean the Fokker Dr.1 Triplane? Or as in the picture, the Albatross D.V I88Bastard provided? It's not a Albatross DIII, due to the bottom wing size. :D

[FOZ_1983]

The WW1 Fokker D.III. pictures looks like "Red Baron II" or "Red Baron III", from the graphics.

I always prefered the Pfaltz myself.

Out of all the simulators ever made, the "Red Baron" series was the best ever .... it would make a good console game, so long as they don't loose the realism somehow with the usual "dumbing down for kids" way some conversion to consoles go. this isn't true. From your point of view maybe, but many others will disagree. Its all down to preference mate :) for me i found IL2 series to be great, but my greatest - EAW!! i know others wont feel the same though. Its a case of each to their own.

Bad Company made COD 4 and COD WaW look seriously crap by comparison. COD 2 and COD 3 were the best versions and the multiplayer on both is superior to the later versions. eh?COD4 was incredible and still is, the only thing that made bad company was the ability to blow things up

The only gripe with Bad Comapny is that holding a knife makes a player bullet proof.

Operation flashpoint has a few bugs and the first update patch arrived yesterday. Still loads to be fixed and the Code Masters were against releasing it before all the bugs were fixed. Now the game is in running repair.

The days of one person writing a PC gaming classic alone, such as "X-Com Alien Unknown" are long gone. The likes of Jullian Gollop just don't exist anymore and it takes a team of programmers just to make something work with Windows.

Not all computer or console games have bugs.... "Battle Stations Pacific" is bug free, so is "Left For Dead". are you serious?? c'mon mate thats a lie and you know it!! battlestations was riddled, look at the cockpits on planes loosing their gunsights mid flight making it impossible to hit a target, the planes in formation randomly flying into each other, players getting random drops from the game..but to name a few just on battle stations alone.

Using the excuse that all games are full of bugs is like saying that because the Russian Voshkod motorcycle was a poorly built and unreliable piece of crap (I have a friend who owns one and it has never actually run in over 20 years) therefore it is OK to make all motorcycles like that. OK, so China seems to have fallen for that one.

What is wrong with striving to make something as good as it possibly can be and showing up the competition??


Hmm :D

[Tudorp15]

I havent been around the past week. Been taking a break for awhile. Was starting to get burnout. I like the game too much to burn out on it. I just stopped in to see if the patch came out yet. Guess not. I will be back at it soon...

[Irishmandkg]

I can't wait for the patch. This and the Battlefield Bad Company 2 Beta on the 19th will make my month. BTW Battlefield Bad Company Beta only for ps3 and pc players. PC is in December and Ps3 players get it November 19th. Can't wait!:grin:

[Spitfire23]

I can't wait for the patch. This and the Battlefield Bad Company 2 Beta on the 19th will make my month. BTW Battlefield Bad Company Beta only for ps3 and pc players. PC is in December and Ps3 players get it November 19th. Can't wait!:grin:

BFBC2 Beta? do you need to sign up for the Beta? or is it an open public beta?

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

BFBC2 Beta? do you need to sign up for the Beta? or is it an open public beta?

Preorder the game.

[Spitfire23]

Preorder the game.

i see, anywhere to pre-order in particular?

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

i see, anywhere to pre-order in particular?

Not quite sure, I've only heard of GameStop, but there's probably way more.

[Irishmandkg]

Pre-order it from Gamestop or Bestbuy.

[CENOBITE]

Just a little sensitive aren't we? Did you work on a game that flopped perhaps? Welcome to the real world pal! Not everybody is going to kiss your a$$ just because you so-called "worked hard".

Sensitive? Hardly... it's just now that I'm freelance and no longer working for any of these companies, I'm ALLOWED to talk this way. I've been living in the real world for a long, long time buck-o, so pucker up, buttercup.

[Desode]

Sensitive? Hardly... it's just now that I'm freelance and no longer working for any of these companies, I'm ALLOWED to talk this way. I've been living in the real world for a long, long time buck-o, so pucker up, buttercup.

Well, I'm sure its a big relief to be able to speak your mind. I know I have watched some Dev teams work their ass's off trying to save some games.
I alpha tested Frontlines fuels of war for THQ back in the start of that game.
It had a very ruff start, but the Dev team stuck with it and fixed every issue and added a ton of features that the community asked for. It lost a lot of players but in my opinion once they were done fixing it,,, it was one of the best Battlefield style games to ever hit console. 50 players/ every vehicle you could imagine and drones to boot, zero lag, and proximity chat , I mean you name it they put it in there. Its a shame that there won't be a FFOW II because they had just about everything ironed out and the sequel could have been one of the best MP games to ever come to console.
I know my hat will always come off to the FFOW's Dev team, they were some the best and it was a honor to work with them and see how they took care of their community despite publisher pressure.

Desode

[InfiniteStates]

I know my hat will always come off to the FFOW's Dev team, they were some the best and it was a honor to work with them and see how they took care of their community despite publisher pressure.
Most development teams are very good and take great pride in their work. It's publishers that come between the developers and the communities like a chaperone at prom, killing all the joy.

In my experience, the people that make games - and I'm talking about the people on "the frontlines" doing the actual coding, textures, modelling, sound, animation etc - are more motivated by a desire for appreciation of the final product than anything else.

It's the guys in suits (that tend not to be gamers either) that ruin it for everyone. Unfortunately they are also the ones that a) get rich off everyone else's hard work and b) put up the funds to get the game to market.

Very few studios can afford to say "it'll be done when it's done". But the ones that can afford that stance, often put out some great games (Rockstar North, iD...).

[Rufus_the_Rat]

Hey developers/publishers/whoever is responsible for this series, frankly I don't want to hear about sequels or PC versions at least for another year or two. I want to hear about fixing the version I bought or rest assured it will be the last Sturmovik I ever buy. I've had a lot of fun with the limited time I've been able to spend with this game, but I'm not made of money and I expect this product to be supported for more than two weeks after its launch date. Otherwise, what faith do I have in buying your next product, which will probably be bungled just as badly post-release?

[Soviet Ace]

Hey developers/publishers/whoever is responsible for this series, frankly I don't want to hear about sequels or PC versions at least for another year or two. I want to hear about fixing the version I bought or rest assured it will be the last Sturmovik I ever buy. I've had a lot of fun with the limited time I've been able to spend with this game, but I'm not made of money and I expect this product to be supported for more than two weeks after its launch date. Otherwise, what faith do I have in buying your next product, which will probably be bungled just as badly post-release?

Why not get 1946? It maybe a bit grey at the corners, but it's still a good reliable Il-2. But I'm guessing, your just a console player? (No problem with that, just saying you probably are because of your lack of interest in the PC version.)

[l88bastard]

You make me laugh my friend, your posts always have given me a great smile.

As for WWI, I will be joining you very shortly, I ordered OFF today and I'm going to get Rise of flight , in the next month. What kind of rig are you using to run these WWI sims ? I just built a new AMD 3.0 ghz quad, I just have the intergrated Nvidia 750a sli right now but I'm looking to buy a nice card to link with the intergrated card. If you get a chance, tell me your rig and what graphics level your running on the game. I'd appreciate the info.
DESODE

Ahh Desode nice to hear from you again. Yes the game is Over Flanders Fields and it is excellent!

I was running an Evga 750iFTW motherboard, with a q6700 processor overclocked to 3.6ghz water cooled, with two 8800 ultras in SLI. My primary monitor is the gateway 30" xhd3000 at 2560x1600 resolution and I have flanked it with two dell 20" 2007fps at 1200x1600 resolution for a total of 4960x1600!

Tomorrow I should be receiving my new q9650 processor which I will quickly be overclocking to 4ghz and a crossfire motherboard because I have jumped ship from Nvidia and purchased an XFX 5870

Because I have monitors of different resolutions in portrait x landscape x portrait mode, eyefinity currently does not support it, so I have to use SoftTH in order to take advantage of my tripple screen setup!

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[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

=O That. Is. EPIC!

I remember playing one of those for a Gran Turismo simulator at a car show, but I never thought a household gamer would have one XD

[l88bastard]

[QUOTE=l88bastard;117410]join-in-progress cannot be added in Birds of Prey, but will be in sequel.

Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! When people ask was it Lee Harvey Oswald that shot and killed BOP, the answer is no, no it was not LHO, but rather the lack of this one simple item. You see when you have a limited community for a niche product, the last thing you want to do is segment the consumer into isolation where they cannot join or enjoy the limited numbers of players available. Otherwise, you will piss off the limited number of consumers that sit in their big fat lazy boy wasting thirty minutes of their life and their 120" projector bulbs life looking for a match that will never come. And after a limited amount of these wasting activities said customer will buy two more monitors and then enjoy their favorite PC sims at 4960x1600 resolution and not look back at the Russian console developers that love to put nuts in vices.

In soviet Russia, not only does the game patch you, but it also pleasures your woman better, abuses your sports car and smokes your last cigarette!

And Goat I enjoyed our few skirmishes where you violated me in ways I never thought possible with a La-7, but I fear my console flying days will be few and far between as I have enlisted in WWI
[IMG]

Well my friend... I will always enjoy the memories of violating you.

Once you can take a break from that SWEET ASS GAMING RIG then send me a message and we can fly again. Who knows, I may use a Yak 3 next time. ;)

I would join the Civil War if I had a rig like that.

Yess I will venture back into console land every now and then. I just buried my DID standard "Dead is Dead" German ace "Baron Gobel Hornswaggle Von DiamondWulf," he had 21 confirmed kills and over 40 unconfirmed, he earned a blue max, two iron crosses and the holzen! I would start a new guy, but I gotta wait for my new mobo an processor for tomorrow before I can get goin on a serious DID bender again!

Yep, I would hate to see what you could do to the competition if you had a rig like this! A 180 degree field of view, plus track ir and an amazing hotas setup with the logitec g940...yea you'd be a scary sob! Let me know when you win the lottery, so I can build you a dream setup! Over half the fun of pc gaming is building and tuning the computer!

[l88bastard]

=O That. Is. EPIC!

I remember playing one of those for a Gran Turismo simulator at a car show, but I never thought a household gamer would have one XD

Im small time my friend, BEHOLD EYEFINITY and its insaneness

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[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

Meh, the last one is too big IMO. I would get angry having a Black spot in the deadcenter of my screen. lol. 3 seems perfect.

[Rufus_the_Rat]

Why not get 1946? It maybe a bit grey at the corners, but it's still a good reliable Il-2. But I'm guessing, your just a console player? (No problem with that, just saying you probably are because of your lack of interest in the PC version.)

I actually am a PC gamer too. Normally I would be very excited about Wings of Prey but as I explained in another post here, I feel a little p-oed about how we were given no warning it was coming out for PC 'cause I would have skipped the console version in favour of it. Now that I have the Xbox version I don't really feel like spending another $40 on essentially the same game just to get the "best" experience. I wish they'd spend their time incorporating those updates into the console version we all paid for rather than going off making PC versions and a sequel.

You know, I think I might (get 1946) because at least its cheap. I have Forgotten Battles from way back.

[Rufus_the_Rat]

Well, I'm sure its a big relief to be able to speak your mind. I know I have watched some Dev teams work their ass's off trying to save some games.
I alpha tested Frontlines fuels of war for THQ back in the start of that game.
It had a very ruff start, but the Dev team stuck with it and fixed every issue and added a ton of features that the community asked for. It lost a lot of players but in my opinion once they were done fixing it,,, it was one of the best Battlefield style games to ever hit console. 50 players/ every vehicle you could imagine and drones to boot, zero lag, and proximity chat , I mean you name it they put it in there. Its a shame that there won't be a FFOW II because they had just about everything ironed out and the sequel could have been one of the best MP games to ever come to console.
I know my hat will always come off to the FFOW's Dev team, they were some the best and it was a honor to work with them and see how they took care of their community despite publisher pressure.

FFOW is one of my favourite games ever bar none!! I would love to know any interesting anecdotes you could share about its development. I too really wish there was a sequel (though it's theoretically possible that the upcoming Homefront is set in the same universe).

[l88bastard]

Meh, the last one is too big IMO. I would get angry having a Black spot in the deadcenter of my screen. lol. 3 seems perfect.

Oh I agree, there are just too many bezels in the last one, actually for me, there are too many bezels in the six monitor display also.

I like my config the best, a big 30" in the center and two smaller 20"s on the side to give you a little bit more!

However, when bezeless monitors come out it is going to be insane!

[Desode]

I have seen some really amazing HD projectors out there. I mean you have to get one that costs some money and one that has some serious lumens, but you can get really huge with one.

Thanks for the info on your setup l88bastard. I'm not looking at running a 3 screen setup and I just want to be able to run OFF close to max settings at 1080. I just built this AMD Phenom II X4 940 black 3.0 ghz .
It was cheap and I just built a new house ,so I didn't have a lot of extra cash, but I think it should do what I need it to do over the next 5 yrs.

I just haven't figured out what kind of card to go with. I'm going to use SLI and I'm wondering if one card in SLI with the intergrated Nforce 750a will let me do what I want. I mean its only 1080.

Desode

[Monkeynuts]

MW2 has been out for 36 hours. In that time, IW and Activision have created and released 2 patches for the game.....following feedback from the forums.

So, let's not hear any more nonsense that it takes Sony weeks to test and release patches - clearly it doesn't. It's plain (ignore the pun) incompetance from either 505 Games or the dev.

Crazy

[draux]

MW2 has been out for 36 hours. In that time, IW and Activision have created and released 2 patches for the game.....following feedback from the forums.

So, let's not hear any more nonsense that it takes Sony weeks to test and release patches - clearly it doesn't. It's plain (ignore the pun) incompetance from either 505 Games or the dev.

Crazy

Not to belittle IL-2, but MW2 is a different beast. Not really fair to compare the too. It makes sense that MW2 will get special attention.

[Ancient Seraph]

MW2 has been out for 36 hours. In that time, IW and Activision have created and released 2 patches for the game.....following feedback from the forums.

So, let's not hear any more nonsense that it takes Sony weeks to test and release patches - clearly it doesn't. It's plain (ignore the pun) incompetance from either 505 Games or the dev.

Crazy
And look what all the speeding up did :P. The only reason why 1.02 was needed was because 1.01 messed up the trophies, and the only reason a 1.03 is needed is because 1.02 messed up connectivity.
And, as draux mentioned, the companies are not comparable.

[axhat]

He's not talking about the companies that published the games, he is talking about how long these patches were at sony before they recieved the O.K. I know Infinity is going to rec pref from sony, but there has to be more going on w/ BOP for it to be taking this long.

[Ancient Seraph]

He's not talking about the companies that published the games, he is talking about how long these patches were at sony before they recieved the O.K. I know Infinity is going to rec pref from sony, but there has to be more going on w/ BOP for it to be taking this long.
Looking at what the patches of MW2 do, they don't require as much testing. This obviously doesn't explain the delay on IL2's, but it could explain why it went so fast: preferred companies + small patch = very fast testing.
The problem with IL2 is that the publishers have something to do with the delay, in some way no one can explain..

[axhat]

Exactly, I'm pretty sure we are on the same page. My concerns aren't just for the patch alone, they are for the future of any type of serious flight simming on consoles. If these guys dont come through I cant see any other pubs taking a chance on a niche game such as BOP.

It isn't a bad game, but the lack of german cockpits (for some reason that is the only way I can truly enjoy flight simming) and any real challenge in single player is holding it just short of what it could be.

Cheers!

AX

[InfiniteStates]

Looking at what the patches of MW2 do, they don't require as much testing.
I pray to god that QA departements don't think the same, because this is quite wrong. If any aspect of the code changes you need to test the entire thing again. There's a multitude of reasons for why a code change to do with one aspect can cause problems in totally seemingly unrelated areas.

I think the CoD patches are fast tracked because Activision have a lot of eggs in the CoD basket and a lot of financial clout. They need CoD to succeed, especially after their CEO's flagrant disregard for his customers. Also, Sony has to accept partial responsibility for green lighting such an obviously buggy patch in the first place.

BoP has never been as broken as CoD is right now.

[trk29]

I pray to god that QA departements don't think the same, because this is quite wrong. If any aspect of the code changes you need to test the entire thing again. There's a multitude of reasons for why a code change to do with one aspect can cause problems in totally seemingly unrelated areas.

I think the CoD patches are fast tracked because Activision have a lot of eggs in the CoD basket and a lot of financial clout. They need CoD to succeed, especially after their CEO's flagrant disregard for his customers. Also, Sony has to accept partial responsibility for green lighting such an obviously buggy patch in the first place.

BoP has never been as broken as CoD is right now.

What is buggy about COD? MW2?

I've played mostly all the way through and they only thing I have seen is a framerate drop (once that I noticed) during a very heavy gun fight.

[Ancient Seraph]

What is buggy about COD? MW2?

I've played mostly all the way through and they only thing I have seen is a framerate drop (once that I noticed) during a very heavy gun fight.
You mean just SP? ;) From what I've heard there's quite a few problems with the MP.

[axhat]

I'm not a COD fanboy, didn't even own cod 4. However, MW 2 is a blast ( I enjoy the occasional brainless shooter) and more importantly MW 2 doesn't have anything to do w/ BOP and it's current state either good or bad.

The community that actually cares about BOP (myself included) will not leave for ANY other game. I know we are just B.S'ing while we are waiting for an update, but lets try to not turn this into a pissing match about which game is better or buggier.

I myself was wondering if anyone else finds BOP SP challenging enough. I only play SP on the most difficult serttings in Sim mode and just dont find it a chellenge unless there is a time limit and I just cant find the target(s). I'm not a great pilot or anything, but it just seems as though the AI cant hit the broad side of a barn. This is the biggest reason I want the patch, not just for the MP fixes.

AX

[trk29]

I'm not a COD fanboy, didn't even own cod 4. However, MW 2 is a blast ( I enjoy the occasional brainless shooter) and more importantly MW 2 doesn't have anything to do w/ BOP and it's current state either good or bad.

The community that actually cares about BOP (myself included) will not leave for ANY other game. I know we are just B.S'ing while we are waiting for an update, but lets try to not turn this into a pissing match about which game is better or buggier.

I myself was wondering if anyone else finds BOP SP challenging enough. I only play SP on the most difficult serttings in Sim mode and just dont find it a chellenge unless there is a time limit and I just cant find the target(s). I'm not a great pilot or anything, but it just seems as though the AI cant hit the broad side of a barn. This is the biggest reason I want the patch, not just for the MP fixes.

AX

I do believe people that truly love flying and WW2 will always have this game it being one of the best flight sims for this generation. This game is a blast to play and yes there are some issues but imho it doesn't mean the game is broken.

[trk29]

You mean just SP? ;) From what I've heard there's quite a few problems with the MP.


Yes I did mean SP I never play MP until a finish the SP. Except for BOP.:-P

[beaker126]

Has anyone actually heard when the patch is supposed to come out?

[juz1]

Has anyone actually heard when the patch is supposed to come out?

in a word...no...

soon...

maybe


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[condorz38]

It is way too early to talk about a sequel. There are multiple problems with THIS game. Why would anyone want a sequel before this one is fixed? If you can fix this game, people will buy the sequel; if you do not fix it, there is little reason to believe the sequel will be better. I like the game and flying games in general, but the problems with it leave me frustrated playing it rather than having fun; if you read the posts about people waiting for the patch to play, it is obvious a lot of people are frustrated. I find it hard to believe a sequel will be better, if you cannot write a patch that fixes the flaws in this one (P51D5 turns and banks left when given full right rudder and ailerons). If other games can be patched even before they are released, why no patch 2 months after release? People will compare fairly or not, most have the idea if something is wrong fix it and do it now rather than later. Promises of a patch to come do nothing to relieve the frustrations of problems now. Issue a patch, and if that doesn't fix everything, issue another but don't keep promising sequel will be better. I want to play this game and if I am happy with it, I will be one of the first in line to order the next one.

[Ancient Seraph]

Actually, it's not that rare that sequels are better than their predecessor. Issues of the first game are fixed in the second. It's happened before, it can happen again. Just hope this will be one of those times..

[InfiniteStates]

What is buggy about COD? MW2?

I've played mostly all the way through and they only thing I have seen is a framerate drop (once that I noticed) during a very heavy gun fight.
Yeah, but if you installed patch 1.01 you probably didn't notice many trophies popping up...? And if you installed 1.02, you'll not be able to get online (so I hear - I'm not installing any of the patches until forums indicate they don't break something).

And just to reinforce my point that everything needs testing whether it was related to the fix or not:

MW2 v1.01 was to add the option to skip the Airport Massacre, and broke trophy support...

MW2 v1.02 was to fix the trophy support, and broke online connectivity...

MW2 v1.03 will be to fix connectivity. Wonder what it will break...?

[red71rum]

I like the single player in this game, but the multiplayer is the worst. I think since I got this game at launch, I probably have had the chance to play it in MP 10 times. Since then I get the usual BOP error finding the servers.

It seems as if they only have one server, and it is probably an old Pentium II. I bet their server is in Chernobyl. I had a friend ask if he should buy it and I told him no. I explained to him that the MP is broken and that I have not felt like even finishing the SP, because there was no reason to. Maybe this patch will make the game enjoyable one day. Until then, I will stick to MW2 and GOW2(which also had a problem initially with MP). Maybe I will buy a better gfx card for my core I7 pc and play some flight sims instead, possibly Storm of War: Battle of Britain.

On sequels, I will wait months after it comes out if I even decide to chance buying from these guys again.

[trk29]

Yeah, but if you installed patch 1.01 you probably didn't notice many trophies popping up...? And if you installed 1.02, you'll not be able to get online (so I hear - I'm not installing any of the patches until forums indicate they don't break something).

And just to reinforce my point that everything needs testing whether it was related to the fix or not:

MW2 v1.01 was to add the option to skip the Airport Massacre, and broke trophy support...

MW2 v1.02 was to fix the trophy support, and broke online connectivity...

MW2 v1.03 will be to fix connectivity. Wonder what it will break...?

I did both patches, trophies work but I haven't played MP yet. I only play SP but I made and exception for BOP.:-P

[Ancient Seraph]

I like the single player in this game, but the multiplayer is the worst. I think since I got this game at launch, I probably have had the chance to play it in MP 10 times. Since then I get the usual BOP error finding the servers.

It seems as if they only have one server, and it is probably an old Pentium II. I bet their server is in Chernobyl. I had a friend ask if he should buy it and I told him no. I explained to him that the MP is broken and that I have not felt like even finishing the SP, because there was no reason to. Maybe this patch will make the game enjoyable one day. Until then, I will stick to MW2 and GOW2(which also had a problem initially with MP). Maybe I will buy a better gfx card for my core I7 pc and play some flight sims instead, possibly Storm of War: Battle of Britain.

On sequels, I will wait months after it comes out if I even decide to chance buying from these guys again.

Hmm, seems like the server message is more of a problem than I thought. BoP actually works with players as hosts, using only a server to help others find those hosts. If you get that message, it means no one is hosting a joinable game at that moment.

[red71rum]

Hmm, seems like the server message is more of a problem than I thought. BoP actually works with players as hosts, using only a server to help others find those hosts. If you get that message, it means no one is hosting a joinable game at that moment.

I realize that I would have to host, but sometimes I want a quick game where I don't have to set up the variables. Also, I have set up a dogfight match in either sim or arcade and nobody came after something like 20 min. I know my connection is fine, I have fiber and have a 11 mbps dl and 10 mpbs upload. Anyway, it is a frustrating experience.

[Kirill Yudintsev]

Some update as promised.
Update had passed internal publisher's QA at last and going to be submitted to Sony next week. If everything goes right it will be on PSN in about three weeks after that.
Sorry for dealay, we've done what we can.

[BeaverCompany01]

what about the xbox 360 update?

[mattd27]

I'm actually totally cool with another 3 weeks. I'm not going to whine because god knows that won't solve anything. I've got mw2 firmly stationed in my disc drive and IL2 is gonna be their forever right? I'll probably play it sporadically for the next few weeks then go back into full play time when the patch hits.

[winny]

Some update as promised.
Update had passed internal publisher's QA at last and going to be submitted to Sony next week. If everything goes right it will be on PSN in about three weeks after that.
Sorry for dealay, we've done what we can.

I've kept quiet about this whole update soap opera, but I'd just like to say that I'm really disappointed that it's gonna be at least another 4 weeks till the update comes out. I love the game but I'd like to be able to, at the very least, check what's behind me in sim mode when using a stick.. Cockpits would have been a bonus. With hindsight wouldn't it have been easier to release a couple of updates (like everybody else seems to) one to address the gameplay issues and then a 'cosmetics' one later? Said my bit.. off to play FIFA.

[InfiniteStates]

Some update as promised.
Update had passed internal publisher's QA at last and going to be submitted to Sony next week. If everything goes right it will be on PSN in about three weeks after that.
Sorry for dealay, we've done what we can.
Great news - thanks for the update :)
At last we're on the home straight...

[Bourin01]

Moi j'en ai tout simplement plein mon cul d'attendre une putain de mise à jour pour jouer à ce jeu....
Je ne comprend vraiment pas pourquoi tout est si long, j'ai passé tellement de bon temps à jouer en MP sur les anciennes versions de il2 que quand j'ai su que le jeu sortait sur Ps3 avec un joy compatible je me suis jeté dessus. Et depuis rien, le jeu est tout simplement horrible à jouer avec un joy (zone morte et impossibilité de regarder deriere...) et plutôt que de jouer on attend des heures pour finalement avoir un 1 vs 1 tout pourrit...
Donc j'ai beaucoup de mal à croire vos promesses au bout de 2 mois d'attente.
En connaissant les jeux que vous avez proposé par le passé je trouve que BOP est tout simplement un attrape coillons qui n'arrive pas à la cheville des versions Pc....
Donc merci de nous avoir fait rêver mais il aurait été mieux de proposer un jeu fini qui puisse rivaliser avec les anciennes versions....
Désolé de poster en Français mais j'en peut plus des rond de jambes pour savoir à qui la faute.
Ce jeu n'est tout simplement pas digne de porter le nom d'IL2.
Et en tout cas même si l'update sort un jour (je commence a en douter) vous avez cassé ma joie et mon enthousiasme vis à vis de cette licence....

[haitch40]

Moi j'en ai tout simplement plein mon cul d'attendre une putain de mise à jour pour jouer à ce jeu....
Je ne comprend vraiment pas pourquoi tout est si long, j'ai passé tellement de bon temps à jouer en MP sur les anciennes versions de il2 que quand j'ai su que le jeu sortait sur Ps3 avec un joy compatible je me suis jeté dessus. Et depuis rien, le jeu est tout simplement horrible à jouer avec un joy (zone morte et impossibilité de regarder deriere...) et plutôt que de jouer on attend des heures pour finalement avoir un 1 vs 1 tout pourrit...
Donc j'ai beaucoup de mal à croire vos promesses au bout de 2 mois d'attente.
En connaissant les jeux que vous avez proposé par le passé je trouve que BOP est tout simplement un attrape coillons qui n'arrive pas à la cheville des versions Pc....
Donc merci de nous avoir fait rêver mais il aurait été mieux de proposer un jeu fini qui puisse rivaliser avec les anciennes versions....
Désolé de poster en Français mais j'en peut plus des rond de jambes pour savoir à qui la faute.
Ce jeu n'est tout simplement pas digne de porter le nom d'IL2.
Et en tout cas même si l'update sort un jour (je commence a en douter) vous avez cassé ma joie et mon enthousiasme vis à vis de cette licence....

translate?

[Bourin01]

To long and to bad words......
I'am just fed up with this game.

[Bourin01]

I was so hapy to buy it 2 month ago and I don't play it beacause of stupid problems (stick, MP, .....) the Pc games were so nice to play (snif, snif)

[sloppy_clock]

I've kept quiet about this whole update soap opera, but I'd just like to say that I'm really disappointed that it's gonna be at least another 4 weeks till the update comes out. I love the game but I'd like to be able to, at the very least, check what's behind me in sim mode when using a stick.. Cockpits would have been a bonus. With hindsight wouldn't it have been easier to release a couple of updates (like everybody else seems to) one to address the gameplay issues and then a 'cosmetics' one later? Said my bit.. off to play FIFA.

I'm sorry but, why does everyone keep bitching about the lack of cockpits? I mean if you fly arcade or realistic, you dont fly in the cockpit anyway you play 3rd persion; if its sim you play virtual cockpit, i dont know anyone that plays inside the cockpit because its to hard to see and you get restricted rear-vision.
Yes it would be nice, but honestly what is the point in having more cockpits when they are never used!
Persides, I still find it nothing short of amazing that all the dials and controls in the cockpits that are in the game are fully working; that shocked me!
Maybe its because I found this game on the off chance that I'm so impressed, or maybe its because I've played most of the flight sims available for the PC that I'm glad to see at least someone try to make a game like this on the consoles; but it seems to me that most people are unhappy with the first attempt ever made to put a flight sim on a console; I mean christ, you cant expect everything to be perfect.
Yes it was rushed out, yes there are a few bugs and yes there are cockpits missing, but I mean come'on people, its playable, its enjoyable, the sounds are good, the graphics are the best I've seen on a flight game ever on a console, it actually lets you have control of flaps and such, give it a break will you!

[InfiniteStates]

translate?

Google translate FTW...?

Me I just open my ass waiting for a damn update to play this game ...
I do not really understand why everything is so long, I had such a good time to play MP on older versions of IL2 when I knew the game went on Ps3 compatible with a joy I threw myself over . And since nothing, the game is just horrible to play with joy (dead zone and unable to watch derière ...) and rather than playing it for hours waiting to finally have a 1 vs 1 while rots ...
So I find it hard to believe your promises after 2 months of waiting.
Knowing the games that you proposed in the past I found that BOP is simply a catcher who can not coillons ankle versions Pc ....
So thank you for dreaming but it would have been better to propose a finite set that can compete with the older versions ....
Sorry to post in French but I can plus round legs to know who to blame.
This game is simply not worthy of the name of IL2.
And in any case even if the update comes out one day (I was beginning to doubt it) you've broken my joy and enthusiasm towards this license ....


And deja vu, but again, +1 to SloppyClock

Yes it was rushed out, yes there are a few bugs and yes there are cockpits missing, but I mean come'on people, its playable, its enjoyable, the sounds are good, the graphics are the best I've seen on a flight game ever on a console, it actually lets you have control of flaps and such, give it a break will you!

[Bourin01]

Google translate FTW...?

Me I just open my ass waiting for a damn update to play this game ...
I do not really understand why everything is so long, I had such a good time to play MP on older versions of IL2 when I knew the game went on Ps3 compatible with a joy I threw myself over . And since nothing, the game is just horrible to play with joy (dead zone and unable to watch derière ...) and rather than playing it for hours waiting to finally have a 1 vs 1 while rots ...
So I find it hard to believe your promises after 2 months of waiting.
Knowing the games that you proposed in the past I found that BOP is simply a catcher who can not coillons ankle versions Pc ....
So thank you for dreaming but it would have been better to propose a finite set that can compete with the older versions ....
Sorry to post in French but I can plus round legs to know who to blame.
This game is simply not worthy of the name of IL2.
And in any case even if the update comes out one day (I was beginning to doubt it) you've broken my joy and enthusiasm towards this license ....


And deja vu, but again, +1 to SloppyClock

Yep the translate is almost ok....
And for SloppyClock, I'am usded to play only MP so actualy it is not "enjoyable"

[simfan]

We now know it IS coming for sure.
Anyway, IMHO BoP is already great out-of-the-box as it is.
There are a few omissions, but I guess the patch will deal with those.
I've played many PC sims in my days and enjoy BoP quite a bit.
Remeber BoP has to take into account it is being developped for a console ... and just that fact made/makes it great for the PS3.
This patch will make BoP stand out even more above and beyond any other PS3 offering that I know of.
I've picked up HAWX from the cheap-o-bin and let me tell you all: if you want to complain ... at least BoP can be enjoyed as an arcade game as well as a (not-hardcore) sim !
I love everything about BoP, especially the mere fact that it exists and is one of a kind.
Thx for the patch.

[Doktorwzzerd]

A lot of people like myself want more cockpits for the realism. I still think BoP is really awesome though, even without axis cockpits. When we get them it will be even better! Actually I like to fly with the cockpit on, I used to do virtual cockpit but I got used to having the visual reference of my virtual pit.

Alas Dragon Age is stealing all of my flying time! I'l be back to MP soon though. (Maybe DA:O is a long game!)

[winny]

I'm sorry but, why does everyone keep bitching about the lack of cockpits? I mean if you fly arcade or realistic, you dont fly in the cockpit anyway you play 3rd persion; if its sim you play virtual cockpit, i dont know anyone that plays inside the cockpit because its to hard to see and you get restricted rear-vision.
Yes it would be nice, but honestly what is the point in having more cockpits when they are never used!
Persides, I still find it nothing short of amazing that all the dials and controls in the cockpits that are in the game are fully working; that shocked me!
Maybe its because I found this game on the off chance that I'm so impressed, or maybe its because I've played most of the flight sims available for the PC that I'm glad to see at least someone try to make a game like this on the consoles; but it seems to me that most people are unhappy with the first attempt ever made to put a flight sim on a console; I mean christ, you cant expect everything to be perfect.
Yes it was rushed out, yes there are a few bugs and yes there are cockpits missing, but I mean come'on people, its playable, its enjoyable, the sounds are good, the graphics are the best I've seen on a flight game ever on a console, it actually lets you have control of flaps and such, give it a break will you!

Er.... I wasn't bitching about the cockpits... I was saying that I'd rather they fix the game before they sort the cockpits.. Just wanted to clarify

[kozzm0]

A lot of people like myself want more cockpits for the realism. I still think BoP is really awesome though, even without axis cockpits. When we get them it will be even better! Actually I like to fly with the cockpit on, I used to do virtual cockpit but I got used to having the visual reference of my virtual pit.

Alas Dragon Age is stealing all of my flying time! I'l be back to MP soon though. (Maybe DA:O is a long game!)

I can think of a good reason to have cockpits: when you have to break out of plane in a turn to spoil an imminent gunshot, one of the best time-honored maneuvers is to break nearly vertical, up or down, spot the bogey on your wing, and then roll to keep them on the wing. It doesn't work unless you keep the wing pointed at the bogey. (Even then, it's hella hard to do in BOP).

But in MP using a cockpit makes it way harder to aim... if there was a "cockpit only" option online, that would be better. Right now using a cockpit means having to get up close for the kill unless you hardly have to lead the target at all.

[flynlion]

what about the xbox 360 update?

I'm curious also, I mean, wouldn't MS love to get a jump on Sony? Any reason why they would wait?

[Ancient Seraph]

I'm curious also, I mean, wouldn't MS love to get a jump on Sony? Any reason why they would wait?
I'm guessing MS isn't waiting with releasing the patch until it's through Sony, I think it's the publishers. Why would MS care if the patch is ready for PS3 or not :P?

[dazz1971]

so now its gonna be another 4 weeks to wait for an update!!!:evil:
i think this whole saga is bull***t they are just using stalling tatics if you ask me

i mean come on MS wouldnt wait for the sony patch to be fixed before releasing there own patch
and i dont think the publisher would wait either i mean all the flak they are getting over this patch they would be rushing the xbox version out just so all the xbox users could shout how much better it is with the patch and so buying themselfs time to fix the sony version

so why are they holding back on the xbox version ?? i think becuse it aint coming thats why they are just stalling hoping ppl trade this white elephant in and move on to something else so they can focus on making the pc version and a money sucking sequel

[Ancient Seraph]

(...)

so why are they holding back on the xbox version ?? i think becuse it aint coming thats why they are just stalling hoping ppl trade this white elephant in and move on to something else so they can focus on making the pc version and a money sucking sequel
Wait... what? They're lying about publishing an update so people won't play the game... Wouldn't it be faster to just say they're not releasing an update? :confused:.

[The M00ps]

I hafta say, as a 360 owner, I'm a little concerned by the lack of any status on its patch. I agree that there's no reason for MS to hold up the patch on account of Sony -- in fact quite the opposite. But the only status we are hearing relates to the PS3 version, and that doesn't bode well IMHO.

C'mon somebody, prove me wrong please.

[Reddisback]

I hafta say, as a 360 owner, I'm a little concerned by the lack of any status on its patch. I agree that there's no reason for MS to hold up the patch on account of Sony -- in fact quite the opposite. But the only status we are hearing relates to the PS3 version, and that doesn't bode well IMHO.

C'mon somebody, prove me wrong please.

i thaught i could, but i can't. we're Doomed! Doomed i tell ya! :evil:

[dazz1971]

Wait... what? They're lying about publishing an update so people won't play the game... Wouldn't it be faster to just say they're not releasing an update? :confused:.


ffs take your head out of your ass for a second and reread what i put
i said they were stalling!!
at no point did i say they were not releasing the patch so ppl wouldnt play the damn thing !!

maybe before you jump on your high horse youmight want to read what ppl are posting properly :evil:

let me put it more simply so there is no confusion in what im saying

they IMHO opion are stalling us in the hope that ppl get bored/tired of waiting and trade this game in and move on to somthing else

they are not going to make any more money in making patches are they the damage has allready been done look at all the hardcore supporters of this game they have allready lost do you honestly think they are going to suddenly gain x amount of new sales by releasing a patch ???

no they wont so IMHO they are putting all there efforts into making a pc version and a sequel

[SEE]

Still the best game in my collection, patch or no patch! Absolutely love it and still getiing lots of SIM games on line..........thanks Devs for at least giving WW2 Combat Flight SIM fans a damned good console version!

[philabong2]

(...)
no they wont so IMHO they are putting all there efforts into making a pc version and a sequel

i patch is def coming imo, we have absolutly no clue concerning the quality of it, but they're relasing one for sure... i mean wouldnt it completly kill their hopes of having any succes with futur games or maybe squeeze out a few more bucks out of this one if they actually made a story about some incoming patch that never made it out. I highly doubt they'd go through so much trouble lying about something like that... if no patch was ever goin to be released, they would either have stated it on record, or simply ignored us.

[Lexandro]

Guys the 360 patch will be delayed anyway due to major content updates for the LIVE dashboard. This November MS are adding a lot of extra stuff just for the dash so game patches have to take a backseat till after thats all done.

[flynlion]

Guys the 360 patch will be delayed anyway due to major content updates for the LIVE dashboard. This November MS are adding a lot of extra stuff just for the dash so game patches have to take a backseat till after thats all done.

If that's true then I'm mad at MS. Delay a patch to my favorite game so they can dick around with the fuckin' dashboard? So the stooopid avatars can get even cuter? So the over paid MS management can justify their jobs and say ooooo...look what we did while the good work of the game developers sits on a shelf .....rant rant rant.......The HATE switch ......is on ELEVEN !!!

ok, I'm done with ranting. I feel better now :mrgreen:

[aceofdaves]

.....rant rant rant.......The HATE switch ......is on ELEVEN !!!

Well, it's one more hateful, isn't it. ;)

[FOZ_1983]

A patch takes time and money. Something they could consider going to better use elsewhere (pc version for example), so they stall us all with the "its coming" and then blaming one or the other (ms or sony) knowing we cannot find out from them directly ourselves. As time goes on more players lose faith/interest and move on. By that time they will say "not enough people to merit us releasing the patch with the time/money it costs"


Guys -

their is no patch. Wake up and smell the coffee. Its not coming. I would love to be wrong, but i fear its to little to late. Its a vivid dream for us all thats all. We've been screwed over. Maybe not by anton and co, but by the higher ups.

[Irishmandkg]

Patch will come out this week........

[FOZ_1983]

Patch will come out this week........


lol. Wishful thinking mate.

[Irishmandkg]

someone has to see the glass half full in this forum. :grin:

[Desode]

lol. Wishful thinking mate.

Its going to come eventually, There is no point for the Dev team to say it is coming out, if its not. There isn't any reason for them to do that. I think we will see it some time after the first of the year.

Plus even if the patch didn't come out, BOP is still the best WWII flight game ever made for consoles to date. I mean just about ever other flight game is really sad.
The one thing I don't understand is why they didn't wait and sell the cockpits, if they wanted to make some extra money then that is the first thing they should have sold as DLC.
DESODE

[philabong2]

someone has to see the glass half full in this forum. :grin:

from an engineer point of view: the glass isnt half full or empty, the dam thing is simply too big :)

[Irishmandkg]

got me on that one. :-P

[trk29]

Its going to come eventually, There is no point for the Dev team to say it is coming out, if its not. There isn't any reason for them to do that. I think we will see it some time after the first of the year.

Plus even if the patch didn't come out, BOP is still the best WWII flight game ever made for consoles to date. I mean just about ever other flight game is really sad.
The one thing I don't understand is why they didn't wait and sell the cockpits, if they wanted to make some extra money then that is the first thing they should have sold as DLC.
DESODE

Do you play on 360 as well? Because you haven't logged on (ps3) in almost 2 months.

[dazz1971]

Its going to come eventually, There is no point for the Dev team to say it is coming out, if its not. There isn't any reason for them to do that. I think we will see it some time after the first of the year.

Plus even if the patch didn't come out, BOP is still the best WWII flight game ever made for consoles to date. I mean just about ever other flight game is really sad.
The one thing I don't understand is why they didn't wait and sell the cockpits, if they wanted to make some extra money then that is the first thing they should have sold as DLC.
DESODE

the dev team might have made a patch but if the publishers see no finacial merit in releasing it then they are not going to are they
they are in this to make money at the end of the day sad but true

@ starfoz that was what i was trying to say before the mighty sepraph decided to butt in you just worded it better than me :grin:

[Desode]

Do you play on 360 as well? Because you haven't logged on (ps3) in almost 2 months.

I play on both , but I'm waiting for my high speed internet to get turned on.

"Service Ready Date*: 11-30-2009
Your Verizon High Speed Internet Plan**: Up to 3M Double Freedom Essentials Bundle with 6 Months free Internet service "


Its been a HUGE WAR to get High speed. See I moved out in the Sticks and they told me I couldn't get it at first. I then had to call The Public utilities commision and threaten verizon, Then Verizon called me and said they can get me high speed but they have to have whats called Load pairs cut off my line in order for me to get it. That was a 2 month war !
Now the line is fixed so I can get it and The order has been placed. I recieved my modem in the mail yesterday, They just have to turn it on.

As you can see in the quote the email I recieved this week say the 30th of this month.

Trust me its driving me Crazy !
DESODE