This game being semi-broken, missing content, and not having a patch...

[SL83]

Just so you guys know - I've seen this happen countless times with many of my favorite games.

It's not really the developers fault.

Sure, they made coding errors and left features and content out of the game. Why? Because the publisher that makes all the calls for the game probably decided it was time to release the game.

The developers most likely said something like: "It's not ready yet - critical things are missing, and there are flaws in the code."

The publisher most likely said: "We don't care. We're releasing it."

Publishers like to rush games out the door. They don't care if it isn't ready. They don't listen to the developers. They don't understand how games are made. All they care about is money.

The longer a game is being worked on - the more money it is costing them.

Is it possible if they listened to the developers and let the developers call the shots on when it was ready - the game would sell better because it's fully functional and has no show stoppers? Yeah - but they don't care.

They want the game out the door - going gold - on the shelves.

After the game is released - they generally abandon it if it didn't meet their expectations.

Sometimes they already have low expectations of the game and have planned on abandoning it ahead of time - they'll just make up the cost on some of their other 50 games they released this quarter -all of which were pushed out the door early despite the developers saying: "It's not ready."

Blizzard, BioWare, and Valve are examples of companies that take the time to do it right.

Vivendi Universal, Take 2 - they like to shove the shit out the door. Toss a grenade and run.

So yeah - I'm quite certain the Devs released the patch to the Publisher weeks ago, and the Publisher decided they would rather spend the effort and resources releasing content they can charge for. If the game dies out - then they don't have to spend resources on releasing the patch.

They may just be sitting on it waiting for that to happen.

[Soviet Ace]

Serious question here. How many of these threads are we going to get today?

Anton already said that they sent the patch to the publishers, and are just waiting for them to get off their lazy publishing asses, and send it.

[SL83]

Serious question here. How many of these threads are we going to get today?

Anton already said that they sent the patch to the publishers, and are just waiting for them to get off their lazy publishing asses, and send it.

Good job at actually reading the post, Soviet Ass.

[Soviet Ace]

Good job at actually reading the post, Soviet Ass.

THANKS!! :D I do what I can. ;)

[edal86]

He does have a point soviet ace no need for you sarcasm. Advice, stay in the "Information Booth" and keep feeding us aircraft knowledge, and omit childlike comments, seems like you are running out of things to do. Did you not say that work was devouring your time? That is why you had no time to play us, you said. You seem to have time to mock new members.

не неуважение товарища

[InfiniteStates]

Just so you guys know - I've seen this happen countless times with many of my favorite games.

It's not really the developers fault.

...A lot of sense...

The longer a game is being worked on - the more money it is costing them.

...A lot more sense...
FINALLY! Someone with some sense. You, sir, either work in the games industry or are a very astute observer of how it works. I just read the massive "rant at the developers" thread and wanted to post something similar in there. But what's the point?

It would just get lost in all the ignorant bile spewed in the wrong direction. I understand people have a right to be angry, although I do think it a bit over the top in some cases. I, myself, have really enjoyed this game since it was released.

If you want to get angry at a badly developed and buggy game, go and buy Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising. Then complete the campaign and have the game completely fail to recognise that and not give you the trophy for it, as happened to me. And then try to go online with it... (And if you do, go to the official forum and vote for RawKryptonite's video as it's the best one that I've seen so far ;) ).

The best course of action, as far as I can see it, for the community is to a) continue to play the game so that 505 Games feels there's a point to continuing support for it and b) harass 505 Games as they are responsible for withholding fixes/content.

There is absolutely no point spewing wrath at 1C Publishing or Gaijin. In fact Gaijin should be applauded for not only producing a game that is fantastic out the box and has a lot less problems than other titles, but also for working off their own funds on the patch to not only fix some of the issues that have come to light but also improve the title in response to community feedback.

If you work on the assumption that Gaijin have had 10 people working on the patch for 2 months at an average salary of £30k/pa, then that is £50,000 it has cost them to produce the patch, for which they will never see a penny. That is probably a conservative estimate, that Gaijin have incurred on our behalf. If you think we're frustrated at the lack of release, how do you think they feel, having spent that kind of money on it to then see it collecting dust at 505?

And before you say about all the money they made from the game initially, you're wrong. They will have been paid a flat fee (possibly with royalties, but that will be minimal at best) to make the game. All the returns from sales (and admittedly, the cost of distribution and marketing) go to the publisher. Not Gaijin.

So by all means, be angry and vent that anger and frustration. But do it in the right direction and at the right people.


EDIT: P.S lol at these...
Good job at actually reading the post, Soviet Ass.
...stay in the "Information Booth" and keep feeding us aircraft knowledge, and omit childlike comments...

[Tudorp15]

This subject has been beat to death here.. I find myself coming to the forum less and less just because I am tired of reading all the threads with the same complaint. We have made this known, and we have gotten answers from the Devs... Lets move on and wait for the patch that hopefully will be here soon. Either play the game, or trade it in.. Move on...

[SEE]

Combar Flight SIMs are, and always have been, my favourite. SIM enthusiasts may be a minority group in the console market but I would pay more to offset that. I hope it succeeds as a console alternative to the PC. Considering what I paid and how many hours of entertainment I have had so far its works out at peanuts.............

[InfiniteStates]

This subject has been beat to death here.. Either play the game, or trade it in.. Move on...
Don't read the threads then.

Many people have moved on, and that is part of the problem as people watch a game they love wither and die due to lack of support.

The resurgence of this topic is in light of new information from the devs, which we haven't had in a while.

Moaning is still moaning, whether it's about the game, the patch or the moaning. Rather hypocritical IMO.

[Soviet Ace]

This subject has been beat to death here.. I find myself coming to the forum less and less just because I am tired of reading all the threads with the same complaint. We have made this known, and we have gotten answers from the Devs... Lets move on and wait for the patch that hopefully will be here soon. Either play the game, or trade it in.. Move on...

That's exactly how I feel. And that's all I meant by my question. But some people just take things the wrong way, sometimes?:rolleyes:

@Edal86: My time on flying BOP, and being on here are two totally different things. Only reason I'm on now is because I have a lunch break, and I can't rightly bring my PS3 to work and set it up in my little office so I can play for 20 minutes online. And when I get home, I'm so beat from work, I don't have the energy for it. So don't try and bring either of those together. Because you just don't understand. Understand now?

[SL83]

Soviet Ace and Tudorp obviously didn't read the thread content - just the subject.

I was merely providing some insight into how games are left to wither and die - why it happens - and why it usually isn't up to the developers.

[Tudorp15]

I have to admit, I didn't read the entire post, nor the replies. It looked like just another whine thread that has been going on the past week or two, so I didn't bother to read it all. My bad. I shouldn't have replied to a post I didn't read in it's entireity. But, I still stand by the comment that that issue is been way over discussed...

[WANTED]

SL83 is pretty spot on. Although I do hope the hardcore sim community does not abandon this game. It's really the first of it's kind on a console...hardcore sim. I dont' want more Blazing Angels and Heroes over Blah crap games.

Hopefully there is enough interest and grass roots mobilization by the sim community to get MS and Sony to release the DLC.

The sim community even on PC has always had it rough cause we're a fringe group of gamers that never commands large profits like RTS, FPS, games.

We should just put the word HALO somewhere in the title..lol

[edal86]

very well then soviet ace, I understand. Let us know then when you have time. My MC 202 is blood thirsty my friend :)

[SL83]

We should just put the word HALO somewhere in the title..lol

It's pretty sad that that just might work.

Not just on the customers but also on the big cheeses in corporate that make the decisions to spend money on the game.

[mattd27]

After reading this post, I just realized-has anyone been thinking that the publishers might never release the patch? Only a VERY small number of people actually care, it might be more cost effective just to abandon the game like you mentioned.

[Ancient Seraph]

After reading this post, I just realized-has anyone been thinking that the publishers might never release the patch? Only a VERY small number of people actually care, it might be more cost effective just to abandon the game like you mentioned.

I guess they'd be decent enough to tell us, or at least the developers. But there's not really a lot of reasons not to publish it. The problem's supposed to be Sony, so I'm guessing all checking fees have been payed, and once it clears control at MS n Sony distribution is free (afaik).

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

I care, this game has the potential to go on for along time, even if there's only 100 or so people who play it.

[Shogun_Archer]

Yeah that would be pretty disappointing. I am still playing the sinlge player mode quite a bit. I had 1946 in my box of games and reinstalled that a couple days ago, but hell if I can even get off the ground in that game.

The "tutorials" for 1946 are awful.