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[mazex]

Where did the whining thread go? Taken to a quarry and shot? Did it contain anything that the government did not like? Please inform us about that or is it a fact that only positive posts are allowed here while waiting for our bronze idol the descend from the mountain?

[KG26_Alpha]

For the whiners

Why not make your own forum, then you can post what you like about who you like how you like.

Meanwhile whilst here respect the forums owners, I'm sure they really enjoy seeing post after post of complete rubbish using up bandwith .

Until there's a separate board headed " Whiners post here" make some constructive criticism instead, maybe it wont get deleted hidden under that guise ?

:)

[mazex]

For the whiners

Why not make your own forum, then you can post what you like about who you like how you like.

Meanwhile whilst here respect the forums owners, I'm sure they really enjoy seeing post after post of complete rubbish using up bandwith .

Until there's a separate board headed " Whiners post here" make some constructive criticism instead, maybe it wont get deleted hidden under that guise ?

:)

Thats the spirit! Make this a forum where only positive posts are allowed. Delete all those threads where negative thoughts poison the mind of the people!

[nearmiss]

With the release of an authorized patch, and a very cooperative TD that is answering and responding to all kinds of requests... even then the negative whiners persist.

Give it up and contribute to the forums with some viable content. TD is available and Oleg has authorized their patch.

We are getting plenty of information and lots of feedback. There is no excuse for whining and complaining.

WL1lfSzgcAw

[mazex]

With the release of an authorized patch, and a very cooperative TD that is answering and responding to all kinds of requests... even then the negative whiners persist.

Give it up and contribute to the forums with some viable content.

WL1lfSzgcAw

Before leaving this forum I have one question - did you delete the post, and what was the motivation?

[JG52Uther]

My thoughts are that this is the 'il2 sturmovik' forum,it says so on the top of the page.
No point in even thinking about SoW,whining about SoW,or even believing that SoW actually exists apart from some old blue screen renders until there is a SoW forum.
Actually I think that was one of Tree's whines.We don't have a SoW forum.
So any posts about SoW here in this il2 forum are in fact O/T and should be deleted forthwith!
We should all just talk about the 8 year old il2,and the new patch,and the forthcoming patches from the DT modders.

[mazex]

My thoughts are that this is the 'il2 sturmovik' forum,it says so on the top of the page.
No point in even thinking about SoW,whining about SoW,or even believing that SoW actually exists apart from some old blue screen renders until there is a SoW forum.
Actually I think that was one of Tree's whines.We don't have a SoW forum.
So any posts about SoW here in this il2 forum are in fact O/T and should be deleted forthwith!
We should all just talk about the 8 year old il2,and the new patch,and the forthcoming patches from the DT modders.

Yes, that could naturally be true, and the logic behind it cannot be questioned. This is probably the start of the cleanup process where all non IL2 related material in this forum will be purged. /dev/null or a new forum?

[Feuerfalke]

Yes, that could naturally be true, and the logic behind it cannot be questioned. This is probably the start of the cleanup process where all non IL2 related material in this forum will be purged. /dev/null or a new forum?

Neither.

Just the owner of the house kicking some people's butts to show who's in charge here.

[JG52Uther]

Neither.

Just the owner of the house kicking some people's butts to show who's in charge here.

Well unless the boss of 1C has just phoned you to tell you that you don't actually know! ;)
Personally if I was the mod here only posts directly related to il2 sturmovik would be allowed in this il2 forum.EVERYTHING else is O/T and would be treated as such.
It would be so peaceful here!

[C6_Krasno]

My thoughts are that this is the 'il2 sturmovik' forum,it says so on the top of the page.
No point in even thinking about SoW,whining about SoW,or even believing that SoW actually exists apart from some old blue screen renders until there is a SoW forum.
Actually I think that was one of Tree's whines.We don't have a SoW forum.
So any posts about SoW here in this il2 forum are in fact O/T and should be deleted forthwith!
We should all just talk about the 8 year old il2,and the new patch,and the forthcoming patches from the DT modders.
So, actually, the two threads named "Oleg Maddox's News", and "Oleg Maddox Room #1" should be "deleted forthwith" ?

[proton45]

So, actually, the two threads named "Oleg Maddox's News", and "Oleg Maddox Room #1" should be "deleted forthwith" ?

I have no problem with the mods deleting "troll threads"... I also have no problem with them banning self proclaimed trolls.

[JG52Uther]

So, actually, the two threads named "Oleg Maddox's News", and "Oleg Maddox Room #1" should be "deleted forthwith" ?
Maybe.Its O/T for this forum.But thats between Oleg and 1C,and as the developer of il2 he is probably given some leeway.

[SlipBall]

I think we all know that thread's & posts about SOW are not a problem here. It's the negativity that can be a cause of boredom, when repeated to offen...the game is coming soon

[rakinroll]

Here is the true address then:

http://forum.1cpublishing(dictator).eu

[JG52Uther]

I think we all know that thread's & posts about SOW are not a problem here. It's the negativity that can be a cause of boredom, when repeated to offen...the game is coming soon

SoW threads obviously ARE a problem here.Any new thread on SoW quickly degenerates into arguing between forum members.
This is not a 'hobby' board,its the official forum of 1C publishing,and people are wrong if they think they can say anything detrimental about its products,or future products.
I doubt that would be allowed on any official company forum.This forum has suffered in the past because it had a sort of 'anything goes' laid back moderating style.Perhaps they have woken up to the fact that constant attacks might actually do them some harm.

[Feuerfalke]

I think we all know that thread's & posts about SOW are not a problem here. It's the negativity that can be a cause of boredom, when repeated to offen...the game is coming soon

+1


More than half the board consists of OT-posts if SoW is considered OT, including Olegs News-Thread-Sticky...

But some trolls really tried to top each other in the last few weeks, especially when 409 was closing in and some official audience visited the forums more frequently.
And several people violated the forum rules in the sticky and even complained in regard to that and the new patch. So I can very well understand why some people felt the boot.

[proton45]

+1


More than half the board consists of OT-posts if SoW is considered OT, including Olegs News-Thread-Sticky...

But some trolls really tried to top each other in the last few weeks, especially when 409 was closing in and some official audience visited the forums more frequently.
And several people violated the forum rules in the sticky and even complained in regard to that and the new patch. So I can very well understand why some people felt the boot.

I can think of one person who, that on the day the patch came out, had nothing better to post then his negative diatribe against Oleg & company... This person all but claimed that he had a "license to troll", because the mods had never closed any of his topics. I believe that his logic was; "the mods probably approve of my stance because they never banned me."

[zapatista]

when i saw tree's purpose made whine-thread yesterday my reaction was the same, booooooring !!

i think he believes his constant complaining will get a quicker response out of oleg and Co, and acts as if he personally is owed something from the universe because oleg said something, somewhere, sometime in the past. but i think it makes absolutely no difference in that regard, and the constant negative posts always on the same topic just get rather boring

since he hasnt posted in the last 24 hrs he is probably on a short time ban and got his buttocks spanked for stepping over the line

no need to vilify the mods over it either, tree himself would have known where this was leading to

while we'r on the topic, where is those september in game scenery screenshots we were going to get ? :)

[zapatista]

SoW threads obviously ARE a problem here.Any new thread on SoW quickly degenerates into arguing between forum members.

thats because we humans in situations like this are like hounds before the hunt, we can smell the fox but the gate hasnt opened yet to let us into the chase :)

by all indications oleg is on track for an early 2010 release, the closer we get the more boisterous the crowd gets

[proton45]

thats because we humans in situations like this are like hounds before the hunt, we can smell the fox but the gate hasnt opened yet to let us into the chase :)

by all indications oleg is on track for an early 2010 release, the closer we get the more boisterous the crowd gets

I imagine that its just killing Tree that he can't respond here (lol)... ;)

[Feuerfalke]

I believe that his logic was; "the mods probably approve of my stance because they never banned me."


You took the words right out of my mouth. :)

That an exact description of some peoples mindset and this became very obvious over the past few weeks.

This + the more I whine the faster we get an update (especially when somebody important see's that I *as a valued customer* am upset)

:rolleyes:

[mazex]

Well, as a long time Amnesty International member I do have problems when the freedom of speech gets limited without a really god reason. No matter how stupid an opinion is, censoring is not OK for me. Naturally that does not include opinions that are out of bounds (political, racist, criminal etc). I've been spending a lot of time writing letters to Saddam Hussein, Muhammar al-Gadaffi, Mikhail Gorbachev (i'm old) and other leaders controlling the masses by deciding which opinions are OK, trying to get political prisoners free that I in many cases did not like (weird political opinions that I now way endorse). Still - I have tried to get them free as the right to express your feelings without someone editing/deleting or suppressing them is one of the most important ingredients of a society where people respect each other - no matter how stupid or negative someone is...

Sure this is a private forum so they can do whatever they want with posts here, myself as a moderator would have locked a thread I did not like with a motivation. It's the deletion that makes me irritated as it makes me think to much of Saddam and the others controlling what people are allowed to think, without the guts to give a motivation for why some articles just "disappeared" from the newspapers when the political editor was done...

So, I would have had no problems with someone locking Tree's thread (even though I'm also tired of the bad PR management of this IP). I also feel that the waiting for SoW is not so interesting now that 4.09 has finally arrived and I'm really happy with that, especially with more patches in the pipeline. I will happily pay for 5.0 whatever it's called, and if they continue developing IL2 it would really fill the SoW hole...

/Mazex

[Feuerfalke]

Your opinion is far from stupid, but it's based on a wrong setting.


This is not public media or a political forum for democratic discussions. This is more like you invite some people to your home, because you want to play a game with them, but they keep ranting, calling you names, offending your wife and family, making fun of things that you hold dear, of your work, demanding private information and ranting if you don't give it away easily. And if you say something, they rant even louder, as well as when you make presents to them.

Now life through that a few years and I want to see you still inviting those very people for a nice dinner.

[Chivas]

Your opinion is far from stupid, but it's based on a wrong setting.


This is not public media or a political forum for democratic discussions. This is more like you invite some people to your home, because you want to play a game with them, but they keep ranting, calling you names, offending your wife and family, making fun of things that you hold dear, of your work, demanding private information and ranting if you don't give it away easily. And if you say something, they rant even louder, as well as when you make presents to them.

Now life through that a few years and I want to see you still inviting those very people for a nice dinner.


+1

[HFC_Dolphin]

I don't like whining.

But on the other hand, I think that a good forum moderator has to be tollerant and patient.
Each of Tree's (or anyone else's - I'm not talking about specific persons) "whining" threads had some true to be discussed within them, and moderators should allow it, as long as it's not getting "bad".

What's "bad"? Well, not the whining. Many of us are married to whining wifes and we still live with them :P

One of my own definitions of "bad" in a forum is the personal attack to some other member.
By attack, I do not mean the "hot" discussions. I mean simple things like "you're a faggot", "dolphin is a bastard" or put whatever else personal insult you want here.
That's where a moderator should interfere immediately, so as to not let time to the insulted member respond. Which response is justified, as long as the moderator has not interfered before.

Closing, I'd like to say that it's obvious that I agree with Mazex (and other members of this topic), but this doesn't mean that I do not agree with Feuerfalke as well!
The response we get from each membet comes from the level of their involvement in this forum, i.e. Feuerfalke is too active and thus tired of opposing same ol' shit each day. Maybe he should not be involved that much. It would do good to him ;-)

[Feuerfalke]

Maybe he should not be involved that much. It would do good to him ;-)

It does. I posted a lot less in the last weeks and months, because the whining really got the upper hand. :rolleyes:

I'm glad this changed and hopefully we can soon discuss some more IL2/BoB-related topics. :grin:

[proton45]

I don't like whining.

But on the other hand, I think that a good forum moderator has to be tollerant and patient.
Each of Tree's (or anyone else's - I'm not talking about specific persons) "whining" threads had some true to be discussed within them, and moderators should allow it, as long as it's not getting "bad".

What's "bad"? Well, not the whining. Many of us are married to whining wifes and we still live with them :P

One of my own definitions of "bad" in a forum is the personal attack to some other member.
By attack, I do not mean the "hot" discussions. I mean simple things like "you're a faggot", "dolphin is a bastard" or put whatever else personal insult you want here.
That's where a moderator should interfere immediately, so as to not let time to the insulted member respond. Which response is justified, as long as the moderator has not interfered before.

Closing, I'd like to say that it's obvious that I agree with Mazex (and other members of this topic), but this doesn't mean that I do not agree with Feuerfalke as well!
The response we get from each membet comes from the level of their involvement in this forum, i.e. Feuerfalke is too active and thus tired of opposing same ol' shit each day. Maybe he should not be involved that much. It would do good to him ;-)

What Tree did went beyond "whining"...he was just trying to stir sh*t up. In his own words he said he was "bored". In his own words he said the forum bored him, and he just wanted to "have fun". If people want that kind of behavior in their forum that is fine with me (I can go elsewhere). BUT, if people don't want that kind of behavior in their forum, I'm fine with that too...in fact I kind of prefer it.

By the very nature of being a troll, they can rarely tell where the line is...


It does. I posted a lot less in the last weeks and months, because the whining really got the upper hand. :rolleyes:

I'm glad this changed and hopefully we can soon discuss some more IL2/BoB-related topics. :grin:


+1

[HFC_Dolphin]

Guys I totally understand what you're saying, but let's see this case from some other angle.

This game has made all of us addicted.
Personally, I cannot count the hundreds, maybe thousands, of hours that I've spent flying, reading, developing, moderating, admining, etc. in this game.
It's a fact that it means a lot to all of us, for these last 8-9 years of our life.
At some point, due to wrong handling from the developers, in my opinion, of the facts, people (and not only one or two, but a very big percentage) thought that they'd take a new, better "drug" soon.
Those addicted junkies (me included) made plans, bought new computers, did many things in conjuction to the new "drug", but the dealer delayed the delivery.
And kept on delaying.
Junkies could not control their selfes easily.
Others did other things, others quit the game, others were too strong and kept waiting, while others got emotionaly blocked and they turned their dissapointment in negativity.
In all these statuses we can recognize many people of the community.

But what's a fact, imho, is that we should all be tollerant and those who are strong enough to support those who have emotionaly crashed.
Let's not punish them from their addiction.
Let's support them.

PS. This doesn't mean that we can accept criminal minds. But hey, Tree (whom I don't know much, to be subjective - I have not even flown with him), doesn't seem like a criminal mind. A poor junkie, like many of us, is.

PPS. Going back to my work and my kids, the best anti-IL2 drug in the universe :D

[6S.Manu]

Guys I totally understand what you're saying, but let's see this case from some other angle.

This game has made all of us addicted.
Personally, I cannot count the hundreds, maybe thousands, of hours that I've spent flying, reading, developing, moderating, admining, etc. in this game.
It's a fact that it means a lot to all of us, for these last 8-9 years of our life.
At some point, due to wrong handling from the developers, in my opinion, of the facts, people (and not only one or two, but a very big percentage) thought that they'd take a new, better "drug" soon.
Those addicted junkies (me included) made plans, bought new computers, did many things in conjuction to the new "drug", but the dealer delayed the delivery.
And kept on delaying.
Junkies could not control their selfes easily.
Others did other things, others quit the game, others were too strong and kept waiting, while others got emotionaly blocked and they turned their dissapointment in negativity.
In all these statuses we can recognize many people of the community.

But what's a fact, imho, is that we should all be tollerant and those who are strong enough to support those who have emotionaly crashed.
Let's not punish them from their addiction.
Let's support them.

PS. This doesn't mean that we can accept criminal minds. But hey, Tree (whom I don't know much, to be subjective - I have not even flown with him), doesn't seem like a criminal mind. A poor junkie, like many of us, is.

PPS. Going back to my work and my kids, the best anti-IL2 drug in the universe :D

+1

In some way Tree's posts were funny, you should not take it too seriously... you need something to linger on (HFC_Dolphin are right, we are all junkies, it's not our fault...). It's because we have loved and still love so much this game.

After all without funnys thread the board would be totally boring, with many people asking only for the Shift+F1 key and how landing gears work on Ratas. Or many more spamming to advertise their squadron (worser than Tree's threads IMO)... In this way you don't create a community.

IMO :)

Anyway the moderators are the right to do what they want. ;)

[HFC_Dolphin]

+1

In some way Tree's posts were funny, you should not take it too seriously... you need something to linger on (HFC_Dolphin are right, we are all junkies, it's not our fault...). It's because we have loved and still love so much this game.

After all without funnys thread the board would be totally boring, with many people asking only for the Shift+F1 key and how landing gears work on Ratas. Or many more spamming to advertise their squadron (worser than Tree's threads IMO)... In this way you don't create a community.

IMO :)

Anyway the moderators are the right to do what they want. ;)

My turn now: +10!

Yes, I hate these squadron advertisements as well, though you should all know that HFC is the best squadron :D

And yes, it's up to the moderators to decide how they want to run a forum.

[6S.Manu]

My turn now: +10!

Yes, I hate these squadron advertisements as well, though you should all know that HFC is the best squadron :D

And yes, it's up to the moderators to decide how they want to run a forum.

LOL

PS: Damn it, my english is really sooo bad... I should re-read my posts next times...

[Skarphol]

I'm starting to wonder what they have done to Tree_UK?
Maybe he has had concrete socks and is currently resting with the fishes at the bottom of Volga?

Skarphol

[JG52Uther]

He'll be back in a few days,you can ask him ;)

Anyway,its well known that JG52 is the best squadron.

[proton45]

He'll be back in a few days,you can ask him ;)

Anyway,its well known that JG52 is the best squadron.

Well, I'm sure that you could be right and that would be fine...but in the mean time we can enjoy the peace... ;)

[Ravenous]

Well I for one can't wait to have the entertainement and embodiement of our passion for combat flight-sim back :)

just think of how unbelievably boring this forum would be if it weren't for Tree and Team Diadalos.

like 6S.Manu said
"After all without funnys thread the board would be totally boring, with many people asking only for the Shift+F1 key and how landing gears work on Ratas. Or many more spamming to advertise their squadron (worser than Tree's threads IMO)... In this way you don't create a community."

this forum would just be a sticky-"F1 for gunshights", "Oleg's news" and the good old "Postings that are Prohibited on this site" plus the occasional person asking about SOW news once every 6 months.

[Eries]

Tree .....banned ......posts deleted ???????

HAR HAR !!!!!!!

Now that's entertainment i'll buy for a buck......

Did I mention ....HAR HAR ?

- Eries

[Snuff_Pidgeon]

Why was Tree banned? he was always good for a laugh.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Why was Tree banned? he was always good for a laugh.

I think it was he was always critising people for not giving Oleg a chance and every one thought he was an Oleg FanBoi and he kept raising Oleg up like some sort of Massiah and things like that.

I could be mistaken though???????

[furbs]

because he spoke the truth ( ok he did go on a bit about it :) )

[SlipBall]

Tree .....banned ......posts deleted ???????


- Eries


I think they only deleted repetitious posts :-P

[Snuff_Pidgeon]

.

[JG52Uther]

He didn't toe the party line.He'll be free in a few days apparently,unless he disappears into the gulags forever!

[HFC_Dolphin]

This happens when we don't have anything serious to discuss.

If Oleg reads, he should post a piece of SoW information, so we stop bs-ing :D

[JG52Uther]

You BS,Dolph,I'm busy painting my nails! ;)