Why is everyone so surprised that a Russain company made the American planes suck?

[akuma]

Seriously, I've read thread after thread asking why and I think the answer is very simple.

Russians hate Americans, its not shocker, in the same way Scotish people hate Englsih, its just a fact of life.

Look at it this way it would be like if you asked a fan of (insert sports team of choice) to design a new uniform for there main rivals, of course they'd make it suck!!!!

It probably explains why most of the Russain planes are over spec'd, the IL-10 being a prime example (its practically invincible online in realistic and sim).

I'm sure many people will dispute this, but there is simply no other reason a software house that specialises in flight sim games could get the flight model of such a famous plane as the P51-D so very wrong. They didn't, they made it suck on purpose!

[guiltyspark]

i would have to agree , as much as i love what anton and his team has done there is a small bias

In another thread that was made he made it painfully obvious that there is a bias and stated that russian soldiers did not rape and pillage the lands they took from the germans and stated that "if it did happen there would be documents telling so"

Even though the russians won the war and can keep whatever they want confidential

[mattd27]

Right, that'll show 'em. Now Russians will rule the virtual skies. muaahahhah


no.

Why would they do purposely that? It would only be their loss because they would have unhapppy consumers and sales would decrease.

EDIT: AND the team even admitted they had made a mistake on the P-51 and hopefully it will get fixed. If it was really an evil plot why would they admit it was wrong?

[MorgothNL]

OMG, this is just ridiculous...

why would they do that? you kiddin? and why would they FIX it???

if what you say is true, they would say 'no the p-51 model IS correct, it just wasnt a good plane'. THe P-51 in the Il-2 pc version was GOOD. and this is the same model, only they made an error with the fuel tanks (and they addmited).

this is just a lame statement, trully it is. Give the devs some credit! instead of accusing them of childish things like this. grow up

EDIT: and srsly guilty, dont even start talking about war crimes. That topic was banned from this forum long ago

[Smidlee]

OMG, this is just ridiculous...

why would they do that? you kiddin? and why would they FIX it???

if what you say is true, they would say 'no the p-51 model IS correct, it just wasnt a good plane'. THe P-51 in the Il-2 pc version was GOOD. and this is the same model, only they made an error with the fuel tanks (and they addmited).

this is just a lame statement, trully it is. Give the devs some credit! instead of accusing them of childish things like this. grow up
I thought he wrote it was a long story , thus it was more than just emptying the tank. IIRC even a P-51 with a full tank did fly this bad. In either case they said they found the problem so it will be fitted.

[MorgothNL]

I thought he wrote it was a long story , thus it was more than just emptying the tank. IIRC even a P-51 with a full tank did fly this bad. In either case they said they found the problem so it will be fitted.

That is true yeah :), he said 'an error was made, long story how, but it is fixed' and 'you guys were right, it has full fuel tanks, this will be corrected'.

Anyways, they admitted the error, and are fixing it. I really dont see any reason for this topic, other than just feeding some rant-posters

[akuma]

Right, that'll show 'em. Now Russians will rule the virtual skies. muaahahhah


no.

Why would they do purposely that? It would only be their loss because they would have unhapppy consumers and sales would decrease.

EDIT: AND the team even admitted they had made a mistake on the P-51 and hopefully it will get fixed. If it was really an evil plot why would they admit it was wrong?

Lets break your answer down;

Why would they do purposely that? It would only be their loss because they would have unhapppy consumers and sales would decrease.

As far as I can tell, there are indeed many, many unhappy customers constantly complaining about the P51-D, sales haven't been off the scale, and lets face it, the servers aren't exactly briming with people!

Yes there are indeed now scrabbling to fix it, because with major games like MW2 coming out, if they ignore there fan base too much they'll find completely empty servers and nobody buying the DLC. Remember most of the buyers are in fact western based.

I think you are under estimating national pride though, these guys are not sim novices, they know what they are doing, there is no way the could "accidently" completely and utterly screw up such an important flight model.

[House MD 221B]

2 words..... racist morons.


someone close this thread before the idiots speak more.

[MorgothNL]

akuma... how old are you? really.. I want to know
and also, in what world do you live?

MW2 yeah? that is quite in BOP's ally isnt it?

the flight model isnt screwed up! (the same as the IL-2 pc version!!!), the made another error and FIXED it.

you throw your ignorance and ranting in some one elses' face

[akuma]

Americans and Russian aren't races, therefore how can it be racist?

[Smidlee]

It has been mention here that according to history the JU87 B-2 were easy to shoot down yet in the game they are a lot tougher. So you theory does not hold water.

[akuma]

akuma... how old are you? really.. I want to know
and also, in what world do you live?

MW2 yeah? that is quite in BOP's ally isnt it?

the flight model isnt screwed up! (the same as the IL-2 pc version!!!), the made another error and FIXED it.

you throw your ignorance and ranting in some one elses' face

30

The real one

And the facts speak for themselves.

P51's suck and IL's are massively over spec'd, why is this such a shocking thing to say?

[draux]

They made the B-17G a god plane. Did they do that because they hate Americans too?

[akuma]

They made the B-17G a god plane. Did they do that because they hate Americans too?

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=10125

From reading here (this forum, senior members) apperently thats not strictly true.

[MorgothNL]

30

The real one

And the facts speak for themselves.

P51's suck and IL's are massively over spec'd, why is this such a shocking thing to say?

Could you plz just note the fact that 'they admitted it, and fixed it. and that the flight model is not the error'.

then we are done with this thread, because that counters all your statements.

[akuma]

Could you plz just note the fact that 'they admitted it, and fixed it. and that the flight model is not the error'.

then we are done with this thread, because that counters all your statements.

So the P51-B sucks, the P51-D sucks and the B17 falls out of the sky by simply looking at it funny.

YET

The IL-10 is for all intents and purposes invinicble and has a rear auto gunner like a sniper on steriods, the YAK's can out turn even small birds.

And all of this is a simple accident and has nothing to do with a bit of bias?

How I wish I could live in the blinkered world too!

Edit - Exactly when dd they fix the P51? As at today its still slow and wing overs if you apply even the smallest nudge on the rudder and stalls at anything under 300mph?

[fuzzychickens]

Lets break your answer down;

Why would they do purposely that? It would only be their loss because they would have unhapppy consumers and sales would decrease.

As far as I can tell, there are indeed many, many unhappy customers constantly complaining about the P51-D, sales haven't been off the scale, and lets face it, the servers aren't exactly briming with people!

Yes there are indeed now scrabbling to fix it, because with major games like MW2 coming out, if they ignore there fan base too much they'll find completely empty servers and nobody buying the DLC. Remember most of the buyers are in fact western based.

I think you are under estimating national pride though, these guys are not sim novices, they know what they are doing, there is no way the could "accidently" completely and utterly screw up such an important flight model.

Yea, let's make the P-51 perform how people "think" it should perform - based on myth and pride. Great idea, so we can whore the game out to please the ignorant to increase sales.

Grow up.

This is the problem with our country. Too many who think EVERYTHING America does is golden and perfect:

I guess if they made a tank sim you'd expect sherman tanks to withstand a few rounds from tiger tanks and be able to take tiger tanks out with one shot?

But guess what, the Sherman tank sucked. Many Shermans were destroyed for every Tiger tank destroyed.

This is fact - deal with it.

The P-51 had great high alt performance and superior range for escort missions - but was not a plane for low-alt turning fights and could not climb with or away from the german or russian planes at low alt.

This is fact - deal with it.

If you want the P-51 to fly how most casual American historians think it would fly - it would out turn bi-planes, break the sound barrier, and be an arcade game joke.

Apparently you need to play HOE. HOE whored itself out for consumption by the ignorant. This is the game you are asking for. Enjoy.

[MorgothNL]

So the P51-B sucks, the P51-D sucks and the B17 falls out of the sky by simply looking at it funny.

YET

The IL-10 is for all intents and purposes invinicble and has a rear auto gunner like a sniper on steriods, the YAK's can out turn even small birds.

And all of this is a simple accident and has nothing to do with a bit of bias?

How I wish I could live in the blinkered world too!


DUDE! grow up! get your psychological age and biological age alligned!
they fixed the P-51, the B-17 is allready overpowerd and all that is nerfed is good for balance.


I have never had any problem flying my spit against a yak. The yak was a good plane! yeah... the russians did make some of the best/ the best planes of WW2.

the IL-2... you get shot down by that gunner... :o good for you. It is a bit too hard to take down.. but hey.. the game is called IL-2, and some love for the motherland is ok right ;). this has nothing to do with hating america :confused:.

now im just going to wait for the rest of the people to flame you, except guilty, and wait for a moderator to close this ridiculous topic

[akuma]

Yea, let's make the P-51 perform how people "think" it should perform - based on myth and pride. Great idea, so we can whore the game out to please the ignorant to increase sales.

Grow up.

This is the problem with our country. Too many who think EVERYTHING America does is golden and perfect:

I guess if they made a tank sim you'd expect sherman tanks to withstand a few rounds from tiger tanks and be able to take tiger tanks out with one shot?

But guess what, the Sherman tank sucked. Many Shermans were destroyed for every Tiger tank destroyed.

This is fact - deal with it.

The P-51 had great high alt performance and superior range for escort missions - but was not a plane for low-alt turning fights and could not climb with or away from the german or russian planes at low alt.

This is fact - deal with it.

If you want the P-51 to fly how most casual American historians think it would fly - it would out turn bi-planes, break the sound barrier, and be an arcade game joke.

Apparently you need to play HOE. HOE whored itself out for consumption by the ignorant. This is the game you are asking for. Enjoy.

Now take everything you just said and apply it to the IL serise of planes, and strangely enough it seems the IL planes have been up spec'd to the legendary status the Russian have been brought up to beleive it was.

I'm not engineer, but if I put 30+ cannon rounds through an IL-10 wing, its coming off, simple as, but does it in the game, no.

[draux]

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=10125

From reading here (this forum, senior members) apperently thats not strictly true.

Get in a strike match with a B-17G and see which team everyone switches to in the lobby. From a B-17 fan, I couldn't be happier with it. Sure its vulnerable, but Ive found all the turrets balance that out.

One question for you: If they hate American planes, why would they even include them in the game?

[Soviet Ace]

Right, that'll show 'em. Now Russians will rule the virtual skies. muaahahhah


no.

Why would they do purposely that? It would only be their loss because they would have unhapppy consumers and sales would decrease.

EDIT: AND the team even admitted they had made a mistake on the P-51 and hopefully it will get fixed. If it was really an evil plot why would they admit it was wrong?

Exactly. It's just the beginning of our... well I can't say in front of the Soviet enemy :P:cool:

[mattmanB182]

Similar to the Stuka, the IL-2 needs air superiority to survive. There was NO armor at all for the rear gunner on the IL-2, they had horrid casualty rates.

This is why I get so frustrated that the rear gunner is invincible when im shooting it with my BF-109G6. 3 Cannon and 2MG's cant kill a rear gunner with no protection. However, I am able to get under the rear of the IL-2 and waste it with the 109. I do believe it is QUITE A BIT over statted, but there are some ways around it.

To be fair, maybe its just me, but I find the B-17 nearly invincible. I have not encountered it mutch yet, but I have 3 kills and 2 deaths against B17 with my 109.

I believe the Yaks are a bit over statted as well, but a short burst of BF-109 cannons from a distance will send it down in flames.

Really my main complaint about the game is the IL-2 itself. The rear gunner should die from a single decent hit. The Russians apparently did not care about their rear gunners, history backs up this statement.

To be fair, I think the P-51 and yes, the Spitfire are two of the most over rated planes in history. I am not disapointed with the P-51 model.

I have more complaints and compliments, but over all.....this is the best WW2 flight game on the 360 console.

[trk29]

What a rediculous thread. Blaming Gaijin of hating Americans. iggnorant.

Locked!